Super Duper Legal Supp Stack V2.0

[digitizedsoul]

Ok guys i'll try to keep this intro post organized:

Most of you remember my phyto / derma log where I added in a PH combo for the last 4wks. Well things went really well and I am done with PCT as of about 2wks ago and feel great.

I am already moving forward for my next combination of goodies for summer. Now I know you guys have seen me start a few different threads since my original log thread, one of which was asking about actual gear, but my girl sais no (and thats the bottom line) so here I am with my super duper legal supp stack version 2.0, hopefully new & improved

I plan on running two bottles of Derma again back to back (LOVED that last time) Only this time I get one free! PP

So as it stands right now i'm planning:

8wks Derma
8wks Phyto Test
8wks Creatine MCC
8wks amp02 / lipoflame depending on what training day

Now my next addition (the new & improved part) is yet to be determined. I am looking at several options.

The ones that have my attention the most right now are the 1-AD / 4-AD products that our new board sponsor sells through justaddmuscle.com

Now I know these aren't the orignals, but I asked him about it and he said that they have heard good feedback on the 4-AD and that it is one of their best sellers, so i'm considering that but need more info first.

The other option is some of the Black China Labs products. Our new sponsor also directed me to those when I inquired about the other products. He said that they have heard GREAT things about those products and that I should look into it.


So here is the bottom line to sum it all up.

Anyone have any feedback / info on the two "possible's" i've listed?



Oh and most importantly, please tolerate this thread on the anabolic forum needto / eddie
I really feel that this board carries a good audience for this type of information. They come here seeking info on AAS (probably because they have never used before) and when they see info like this it may keep them out of the dark side a little bit longer (which for most is a GOOD thing).

If you disagree of course feel free to move / delete as you are the moderator and not I, but I hope that doesn't happen

And thanks to all for being such a great community.

EAT BIG, LIFT BIG, GET BIG!

 

[needtogetaas]

Because you forgot mava. This thread may no last.

 

[SouthernLord]

Ok guys i'll try to keep this intro post organized:

Most of you remember my phyto / derma log where I added in a PH combo for the last 4wks. Well things went really well and I am done with PCT as of about 2wks ago and feel great.

I am already moving forward for my next combination of goodies for summer. Now I know you guys have seen me start a few different threads since my original log thread, one of which was asking about actual gear, but my girl sais no (and thats the bottom line) so here I am with my super duper legal supp stack version 2.0, hopefully new & improved

I plan on running two bottles of Derma again back to back (LOVED that last time) Only this time I get one free! PP

So as it stands right now i'm planning:

8wks Derma
8wks Phyto Test
8wks Creatine MCC
8wks amp02 / lipoflame depending on what training day

Now my next addition (the new & improved part) is yet to be determined. I am looking at several options.

The ones that have my attention the most right now are the 1-AD / 4-AD products that our new board sponsor sells through justaddmuscle.com

Now I know these aren't the orignals, but I asked him about it and he said that they have heard good feedback on the 4-AD and that it is one of their best sellers, so i'm considering that but need more info first.

The other option is some of the Black China Labs products. Our new sponsor also directed me to those when I inquired about the other products. He said that they have heard GREAT things about those products and that I should look into it.


So here is the bottom line to sum it all up.

Anyone have any feedback / info on the two "possible's" i've listed?



Oh and most importantly, please tolerate this thread on the anabolic forum needto / eddie
I really feel that this board carries a good audience for this type of information. They come here seeking info on AAS (probably because they have never used before) and when they see info like this it may keep them out of the dark side a little bit longer (which for most is a GOOD thing).

If you disagree of course feel free to move / delete as you are the moderator and not I, but I hope that doesn't happen

And thanks to all for being such a great community.

EAT BIG, LIFT BIG, GET BIG!

Nice. I am doing the same thing. Derma is awesome and buy one get one free is like a sore peter. Hard to beat lol !! I also picked up a bottle of RPN Havoc from Just Add Muscle and I have a bottle of Phyto left over. I am planning on Derma for eight weeks with the Havoc for the last four weeks. It should be a nice little legal combo since my first planned real cycle has to be put on hold.

 

[needtogetaas]

Nice. I am doing the same thing. Derma is awesome and buy on get on free is like a sore peter. Hard to beat lol !! I also picked up a bottle of RPN Havoc from Just Add Muscle and I have a bottle of Phyto left over. I am planning on Derma for eight weeks with the Havoc for the last four weeks. It should be a nice little legal combo since my first planned real cycle has to be put on hold.

just add's got havoc? nice.

 

[SouthernLord]

just add's got havoc? nice.

I have never tried it myself, but I have heard good very good things. I think it should be pretty sick with the Derma. Hell the Derma is pretty sick by itself. I am going to use Alpha Sustain, Post Cycle, and Unleashed for PCT. Should be good to go.

 

[SouthernLord]

Sorry for the Hijack Digi. Good luck with your planned Super-duper legal stack version 2.0 lololl. Keep us updated!!

 

[OMEGA]

Awsome

for this one RUN the Amp or LIPO once a day to get the most out of all the Kick they give

example of how to use the LIPOSTACK this run:


Use Amplify02 for Upper Body Lifting ( Muscle Pumps, 100% focus, and Power)

Use LIPFOLAME for Cardio and Leg days and half a dose for an AM pick me up.

Sometime I take half a dose of LIPOFLAME with Half a dose of Amplify02 and thats pretty awesome feeling too.

Raw MCC will get you very strong and harder looking btu take it this way:
take it at night with milk before bed

The Mag+ in the RawMCC plus the calcium and Tryptophan in the milk will help you sleep like a baby

 

[digitizedsoul]

Abesolutely phenomenal responses.

Oh and I'm sorry for leaving out mava
It is too hard for me to keep up with all you guys!

I completely forgot about havoc!! I will DEFINITELY be including that. But since I am, I guess throwing any of the other ideas I had in would probably be a bit much on the liver as well as HDL / LDL right?

I'm referencing the black china lab products and the 1-ad / 4-ad.

I think havoc has a much more solid reputation, but that doesn't limit me. I love trying new things.

PS:
Sorry Mav

 

[digitizedsoul]

Sorry for the Hijack Digi. Good luck with your planned Super-duper legal stack version 2.0 lololl. Keep us updated!!

Nah man no such thing as "hijacking" a thread I start.

If anything I encourage you guys to post away, go off topic, whatever!

Discussion is discussion! Wisdom is wisdom! There are no flavors!

 

[digitizedsoul]

Omega you read my mind on providing best scenario useage for rawMCC

I was wondering what the best way to use it / times to take it were.

I generally sleep pretty good (esp when I smoke some funk before) but this sounds like a bit of a healthier approach lol

 

[OMEGA]

thanks

also make sure you have an extra glass of water too to make more room for cells to get bigger with the RawMCC

 

[eddymerckx]

i just send the bad or worthless stuff that bros are insane or stupid to take to the supplement section-- actually, maybe some of that stuff belongs in a "looking for a donor liver section"


your stack is 1st rate w/top shelf products that i take or have taken in conjunction w/gear--so i think it belongs here

 

[hurricane]

i know dermacine and all omegas products rock.. anyone got feedback on phytotest? good or bad?

 

[muscleup]

So your girl said no {and thats the bottom line ?} WTF !?!?!

 

[Just Add Muscle]

Black China Labs is some real sick stuff bro.Very underground,very hardcore.Also do a search on Kilo Sports Trenadrol,thats stuff is flying of the shelfs in my store in Miami and people coming back for more.

 

[digitizedsoul]

Black China Labs is some real sick stuff bro.Very underground,very hardcore.Also do a search on Kilo Sports Trenadrol,thats stuff is flying of the shelfs in my store in Miami and people coming back for more.

Mwahahah I'm starting to get excited about this stack. I think it will be pretty brutal

Oh and yes my girl said no, and yes that is the bottom line. Some of us put others first, and in my case she comes before me every time.

 

[xrsist]

good luck bro

 

[digitizedsoul]

good luck bro

Thanks bro!

Man i'd love to come to your neck of the woods. I've ALWAYS wanted to visit australia.

 

[hurricane]

i know dermacine and all omegas products rock.. anyone got feedback on phytotest? good or bad?

BUMP

 

[digitizedsoul]

BUMP

I love phyto test bro. Makes my appetite skyrocket, and I definitely feel "on" when i'm taking it. Insane pumps, food is so enjoyable, great sense of well being.

Awesome product and I consider it the staple of all my legal stacks kinda like most consider test the base of any gear cycle.

 

[hurricane]

I love phyto test bro. Makes my appetite skyrocket, and I definitely feel "on" when i'm taking it. Insane pumps, food is so enjoyable, great sense of well being.

Awesome product and I consider it the staple of all my legal stacks kinda like most consider test the base of any gear cycle.

u look like u have gained some size from your avator

 

[digitizedsoul]

u look like u have gained some size from your avator

I'm tryin bro big time. I got up to 201lbs on my cycle, and i've cut back down to around 185 now. I have a lot more lean mass though, so i'm really ignoring the scale. My strength stayed around, size (minus the water) stayed around and I Feel great.

Can't wait for round two....

 

[n87]

I have never tried it myself, but I have heard good very good things. I think it should be pretty sick with the Derma. Hell the Derma is pretty sick by itself. I am going to use Alpha Sustain, Post Cycle, and Unleashed for PCT. Should be good to go.

Now that digitizedsoul allowed us to hijack the thread. Thank you!
I have a question, SouthernLord, are you planning to use SERM after HAVOC/Derma cycle. I am starting the same one on Monday. Will do a 4 week, my first one ever. For PCT will do Alpha sustain, Cycle support from AI.
Also, thinking of using Retain2 as anticortizol, not sure at what point to start it though. I will have liquid nolva on hand just in case.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

When Im done with my Ultimate Lean Stack from PP, Im thinking of trying out the Black China Labs stuff. Either Super Halo or the Tren MG. Ill most likely stack some Dermacrine and Super Halo and maybe some Phyto-Test. Of course Ima run Lipoflame through the whole thing to try to keep the gains lean and solid and keep any fat off. Ill use Sustain and BCL's PCT product and maybe some Nolva if need be. That should be in about 2 or 3 weeks. (if the plan holds up)

-Legacy

 

[digitizedsoul]

When Im done with my Ultimate Lean Stack from PP, Im thinking of trying out the Black China Labs stuff. Either Super Halo or the Tren MG. Ill most likely stack some Dermacrine and Super Halo and maybe some Phyto-Test. Of course Ima run Lipoflame through the whole thing to try to keep the gains lean and solid and keep any fat off. Ill use Sustain and BCL's PCT product and maybe some Nolva if need be. That should be in about 2 or 3 weeks. (if the plan holds up)

-Legacy

Yeah i'm going to be moving to a new place in the coming weeks so I will need all the $$$ resources devoted to that.
As soon as i'm settled in I get to sell a bunch of stuff I no longer need like my washer / dryer, 55gallon aquarium, jetski, etc.

Anyone want any of it lemme know lol.

THEN its super duper stack time

 

[SouthernLord]

Now that digitizedsoul allowed us to hijack the thread. Thank you!
I have a question, SouthernLord, are you planning to use SERM after HAVOC/Derma cycle. I am starting the same one on Monday. Will do a 4 week, my first one ever. For PCT will do Alpha sustain, Cycle support from AI.
Also, thinking of using Retain2 as anticortizol, not sure at what point to start it though. I will have liquid nolva on hand just in case.

Honestly I feel that an otc PCT will be enough when running HAVOC. I could be wrong though as this is my first run with it. I am planing on using Sustain Alpha, Post Cycle and Unleashed for my PCT and I think that will be more than enough to get back to normal post cycle. Sustain Alpha is strong stuff and Nelson's products get good feedback. I am actually worried about the side effects from not having enough estro since the Havoc has strong anti e properties. I am going to run Liv52 through out to keep from turning yellow lol.

 

[digitizedsoul]

Honestly I feel that an otc PCT will be enough when running HAVOC. I could be wrong though as this is my first run with it. I am planing on using Sustain Alpha, Post Cycle and Unleashed for my PCT and I think that will be more than enough to get back to normal post cycle. Sustain Alpha is strong stuff and Nelson's products get good feedback. I am actually worried about the side effects from not having enough estro since the Havoc has strong anti e properties. I am going to run Liv52 through out to keep from turning yellow lol.

lol @ turning yellow, although its always better to be safe than sorry.

Your wording was humerous

 

[Mavafanculo]

Because you forgot mava. This thread may no last.

I left the thread.

I banned digitizedsoul.

 

[digitizedsoul]

I left the thread.

I banned digitizedsoul.

 

[digitizedsoul]

So here is the latest:

8wks Derma
8wks Phyto Test
8wks Creatine MCC
8wks amp02 / lipoflame depending on what training day
4wks RPN Havoc
4wks Black China Labs Tren-xtreme

PCT is the usual derma sustain and may run ross's little stack during that time too depending on price.

 

[Caleb's Tree]

Does anyone know if the Derma offer to buy one get one free is still on?

 

[Caleb's Tree]

By the way, could you share with us how much weight, size, strength etc you gained last time?

 

[digitizedsoul]

By the way, could you share with us how much weight, size, strength etc you gained last time?

I sure could, but instead of doing that I wrote a massive log about the entire experience titled "Phyto / Derma (progress) log" I believe.

I went from 183lbs to 201lbs. Afterwards I cut back down to around 185. I'm much leaner now, and carry a lot more mass. My strength went up about 15-20% over what it was, and 100% of that increase has remained.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Ive been reading that Havoc is great for a Body Comp shift, not so much for MASS. This is good because the gains are lean, solid, and keepable when coming off. What was your PCT on your last "legal sup stack" I forgot and must have misplaced the thread.

-Legacy

 

[ThePOLO]

this sounds SOLID! is the buy one get one free derma still on??

 

[digitizedsoul]

My last cycle's pct was one full bottle of Sustain

And I also was using letro / nolva to combat 3yr old gyno as part of my pct. This is not required, but I chose to do it at that time.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Youre going to run havoc and BCL's Tren MG at the same time?...Not worried about that?

I want to run both, but I dont think I have the balls to run 2 methyls at the same time. Are you running any of those "Cycle Support" products while on the next Legal Stack?

I cant decide to do Derma/Phyto/Havoc or Derma/Phyto/BCL Tren MG.

-Legacy

 

[digitizedsoul]

Youre going to run havoc and BCL's Tren MG at the same time?...Not worried about that?

I want to run both, but I dont think I have the balls to run 2 methyls at the same time. Are you running any of those "Cycle Support" products while on the next Legal Stack?

I cant decide to do Derma/Phyto/Havoc or Derma/Phyto/BCL Tren MG.

-Legacy

1st 4wks havoc
2nd 4wks tren extreme

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Ahhh, I thought it was those 2 on the 2nd 4 weeks, together, I read it wrong. My bad

Hmmmm, that doesnt look like a bad plan at all. Ill probably throw in some kind of liver support, but I have sustain and nolva laying around.

Once again we might be starting close to the same stack around the same time again, although you one upped me and threw in the extras last time, while I stayed on the PP Stack only. haha

-Legacy

 

[digitizedsoul]

Ahhh, I thought it was those 2 on the 2nd 4 weeks, together, I read it wrong. My bad

Hmmmm, that doesnt look like a bad plan at all. Ill probably throw in some kind of liver support, but I have sustain and nolva laying around.

Once again we might be starting close to the same stack around the same time again, although you one upped me and threw in the extras last time, while I stayed on the PP Stack only. haha

-Legacy

Yeah I got a bit ansy.

I'm a DJ as well. Vocal trance / new skool breaks and a unique track over track blend of the two. 100% vinyl.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Yeah I do hiphop/r&b/baltimore club/some house. Ive worked for 2 radio stations in Baltimore and have done just about every club and bar in the area sine I was 15 years old. I dont do private parties and weddings and all, I dont consider those people real DJs lol.

I do a mix now of vynal and CD. I have 1200's but I also use Denon S3500s with the moving platter for CDs so I can carry a laptop and cut down on some crates. Allows me to update music a little faster, but still do my vynal sets for all of the older GOOD stuff lol

-Legacy

 

[digitizedsoul]

Yeah I do hiphop/r&b/baltimore club/some house. Ive worked for 2 radio stations in Baltimore and have done just about every club and bar in the area sine I was 15 years old. I dont do private parties and weddings and all, I dont consider those people real DJs lol.

I do a mix now of vynal and CD. I have 1200's but I also use Denon S3500s with the moving platter for CDs so I can carry a laptop and cut down on some crates. Allows me to update music a little faster, but still do my vynal sets for all of the older GOOD stuff lol

-Legacy

Word i've been thinking of investing in some jog wheel setups for Atomix Virtual DJ. I love that software and if I could extend its buttons / features off the mouse / keyboard I cold do everything I do with vinyl (almost).

Toting crates is definitely NOT fun. Deuchebag drunk friend walking in your booth and slamming a beer down on your deck causing the needle to jump 3 ft in the air is also not fun.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

yeah....needle skipping sucks ass lol

Serato Scratch Live is a great laptop setup, you can use your vynal to play MP3s, and it works PERFECTLY. Then all you need to do is carry 2 vynal control records.

-Legacy

 

[Caleb's Tree]

Because DHEA is converted to androstenedione and then testosterone, it has two chances to aromatize into estrogen- estrone from androstenedione, and estradiol from testosterone. As such, it increases estrogen levels more than testosterone in men.

Since Dermacrine helps to elevate DHEA levels, is there something in Dermacrine that can help prevent the elevated DHEA that it causes once it converts into andorstendione and then into test, from aromatizing into estrogen?

 

[digitizedsoul]

Because DHEA is converted to androstenedione and then testosterone, it has two chances to aromatize into estrogen- estrone from androstenedione, and estradiol from testosterone. As such, it increases estrogen levels more than testosterone in men.

Since Dermacrine helps to elevate DHEA levels, is there something in Dermacrine that can help prevent the elevated DHEA that it causes once it converts into andorstendione and then into test, from aromatizing into estrogen?

Run sustain afterwards. Thats what PP even reccomends.

 

[Caleb's Tree]

Run sustain afterwards. Thats what PP even reccomends.

Well, I planned on doing that, I was just concerned about potential estrogen levels during.

Reading the ingredients in Derma I see that it has Resveratrol, and Chrysin which are Estrogen inhibiters

 

[digitizedsoul]

Bump to the bump along the bumpy road.....

 

[digitizedsoul]

In preperation for this lovely stack i've been doing some cardio in the mornings on an empty stomach. Between 20 & 30 mins of around 6-7mph on the treadmill. I end up doing about 2miles or so.

How is that for stimulating metabolism & burning a bit of fat i've accumulated? My calories are about 300 short of normal as well during this time.

 

[digitizedsoul]

In preperation for this lovely stack i've been doing some cardio in the mornings on an empty stomach. Between 20 & 30 mins of around 6-7mph on the treadmill. I end up doing about 2miles or so.

How is that for stimulating metabolism & burning a bit of fat i've accumulated? My calories are about 300 short of normal as well during this time.

Cardio worked out well.

Fixing to start up!

2xbottles of 4-AD
2xbottles of Cyclotren
2xbottles of Dermacrine
2xbottles of Phyto-test

I think that outta do it for now

 

[blooddrinker69]

Take the real gear and do not tell ur girl. What she does not know does not hurt her

 

[digitizedsoul]

Take the real gear and do not tell ur girl. What she does not know does not hurt her

Well unfortunately my beliefs do not allow me to do that.

Doing that would be planting a seed of distrust and/or the development of a "habit" in my own mind. A habit that hiding things from my significant other is "ok" which it most certainly is not.

That leads to hiding other things I do, or people I do, etc. Just leads down a bad path, been down there and don't like where it ends up.

Just my .02

 

[automaticj5]

Well unfortunately my beliefs do not allow me to do that.

Doing that would be planting a seed of distrust and/or the development of a "habit" in my own mind. A habit that hiding things from my significant other is "ok" which it most certainly is not.

That leads to hiding other things I do, or people I do, etc. Just leads down a bad path, been down there and don't like where it ends up.

Just my .02

Karma is a bi*ch -- props on being "proper" with the lady friend -- mine says NO to it as well -- but we got in an argument and I told her she needs to love me for me and accept and support the things I want to do...

haahhaahahahaha -- it worked, a whole year of no's and all it took was us fighting one time and me saying that shit... still doesnt "want" me to -- but said to do it if I really want...

I have done my research, I know what I am getting into -- ya know... o well, gl

 

[digitizedsoul]

Karma is a bi*ch -- props on being "proper" with the lady friend -- mine says NO to it as well -- but we got in an argument and I told her she needs to love me for me and accept and support the things I want to do...

haahhaahahahaha -- it worked, a whole year of no's and all it took was us fighting one time and me saying that shit... still doesnt "want" me to -- but said to do it if I really want...

I have done my research, I know what I am getting into -- ya know... o well, gl

Heh yeah, that time may still come, but she is a smart one and undeserving of a dishonest mate. And yeah, karma. It is ever present

 

[SouthernLord]

Well unfortunately my beliefs do not allow me to do that.

Doing that would be planting a seed of distrust and/or the development of a "habit" in my own mind. A habit that hiding things from my significant other is "ok" which it most certainly is not.

That leads to hiding other things I do, or people I do, etc. Just leads down a bad path, been down there and don't like where it ends up.

Just my .02

I respect your stance and you're a good bro but..... 4AD and Cyclotren are designer steroids, and probably worse as far as side effects go then pinning test every week. They will also be illegal i the next few weeks. Are you hiding this from her as well? Does she know the difference between pinning gear and designer steroids? It is the same thing. Oh and that is gonna be a sick little cycle

 

[digitizedsoul]

I respect your stance and you're a good bro but..... 4AD and Cyclotren are designer steroids, and probably worse as far as side effects go then pinning test every week. They will also be illegal i the next few weeks. Are you hiding this from her as well? Does she know the difference between pinning gear and designer steroids? It is the same thing. Oh and that is gonna be a sick little cycle

If its legal now and i'm buying it now, she doesn't have an issue with it.

She also hates needles / injections and isn't a fan of self administered ones.

I'm just trying to respect her wishes.

Kinda like if she were to want a tattoo or something, I would of course object and if she came back at me with "well I could get THIS kind or THAT kind and they only last this long and bla bla bla" it would be annoying and create an argument point.

Same for me, she doesn't want me to do it so I don't push it.

Also these will be banned soon, but they aren't yet

 

[fisttotheface]

If its legal now and i'm buying it now, she doesn't have an issue with it.

She also hates needles / injections and isn't a fan of self administered ones.

I'm just trying to respect her wishes.

Kinda like if she were to want a tattoo or something, I would of course object and if she came back at me with "well I could get THIS kind or THAT kind and they only last this long and bla bla bla" it would be annoying and create an argument point.

Same for me, she doesn't want me to do it so I don't push it.

Also these will be banned soon, but they aren't yet

you sound like a stand up guy,and being honest with her will definately foster a healthy relationship.

 

[digitizedsoul]

you sound like a stand up guy,and being honest with her will definately foster a healthy relationship.

Thanks mate! Seems to be going great so far, almost to the 1yr mark! I am stoked

I CAN'T WAIT to start this cycle. I'm SO pumped. That is always a good thing going into a cycle of any kind

 

[digitizedsoul]

So just got my package like 2 days after ordering it from J.A.M.

Talk about a straight guy
I WORE the shirt today btw mate, sported it @ my golds while cranking out legs to the hardcore

Started 3x 4-ad pills a day & 2x cyclotren a day.

Now since 4-ad converts to test at what, 10%? doesn't that put me somewhere in the neighborhood of 300-400mg a test a week?

Swole can you help me out here

 

[digitizedsoul]

So just got my package like 2 days after ordering it from J.A.M.

Talk about a straight guy
I WORE the shirt today btw mate, sported it @ my golds while cranking out legs to the hardcore

Started 3x 4-ad pills a day & 2x cyclotren a day.

Now since 4-ad converts to test at what, 10%? doesn't that put me somewhere in the neighborhood of 300-400mg a test a week?

Swole can you help me out here

Self bump due to my inability to do simple math with confidence :\

 

[digitizedsoul]

Self bump due to my inability to do simple math with confidence :\

I can feel this stuff working on me in a big way. It is a very distinct feeling of elevated test levels, in my mood, sense of everything & disposition.

Also my pumps from doing shoulders yesterday were Amp02'ish, but I didn't take any Amp!

Now THIS is about to get interesting....

Can someone comment on my questions above though about the 4-ad / test conversion rate ?

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

@digitized: Interested to hear how this goes for you. I'm not looking to do them anytime soon, but seeing how cheap they are and the fact they are probably gonna be banned soon, I wanted to stock up on a few packs of each if they are legit. The 4-AD especially interests me because getting a full dose of test a week without the injects is pretty awesome. If it actually works that well that is.

 

[artificialaspirations]

can you feel the cyclotren yet? anything like havoc?

 

[Just Add Muscle]

So just got my package like 2 days after ordering it from J.A.M.

Talk about a straight guy
I WORE the shirt today btw mate, sported it @ my golds while cranking out legs to the hardcore

Started 3x 4-ad pills a day & 2x cyclotren a day.

Now since 4-ad converts to test at what, 10%? doesn't that put me somewhere in the neighborhood of 300-400mg a test a week?

Swole can you help me out here

Awesome bro.I dont know why i hadnt kept up with this log.For some reason it wasnt in my threads subscribed.BTW I am with you all the way on your stand to make your better half happy.This is also one of the main reasons why I stay with OTC.