Summer Training/BodyBuilding

[P11]

Hey, I'm 16 years old and currently training for basketball next season. My objective is to gain as much muscle tone as possible and reducing overall body fat to a minimum. I was wondering if going on Whey protein would benefit my 2 1/2 hour workout, 1 hour run, 1 hour polymetric leg training, and 4 hours of basketball...and if its worth taking. My only objection is that my parents tell me it is harmful to the liver and it not necessary for a person my age. Any information to benefit my workout + bodybuilding plan would be greatly appreciated.

Here are my specifications:

Age: 16
Height: 6 foot 3 inches
Weight: 188 lbs
Waist: 34" inches
Bicept: 13" inches (not flexed)
Chest: 39" inches
BMI: 23.5
Body Fat: (Using the calculator in the sticky): 14.5 %

 

[Anthrax Invasion]

Hey, I'm 16 years old and currently training for basketball next season. My objective is to gain as much muscle tone as possible and reducing overall body fat to a minimum. I was wondering if going on Whey protein would benefit my 2 1/2 hour workout, 1 hour run, 1 hour polymetric leg training, and 4 hours of basketball...and if its worth taking. My only objection is that my parents tell me it is harmful to the liver and it not necessary for a person my age. Any information to benefit my workout + bodybuilding plan would be greatly appreciated.

Here are my specifications:

Age: 16
Height: 6 foot 3 inches
Weight: 188 lbs
Waist: 34" inches
Bicept: 13" inches (not flexed)
Chest: 39" inches
BMI: 23.5
Body Fat: (Using the calculator in the sticky): 14.5 %

What the fuck? Did proto put you here just to piss me off?

Now, you're new here, so I'm going to be nice about this:

THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS FUCKING MUSCLE TONE

Bodyfat to a minimum? Alright, so take all the drugs you can and starve yourself, then take a scalpel and carve out that 3% essential bodyfat around you spine and brain - that'll save us all some grief, 'cause you'll be dead.

Whey protein? Oh yeah, it's totally ambrosia man. In fact, fuck steriods, the secret of the pros is LOTS AND LOTS of whey protein. It allows them to do retarded workouts like your 8.5 hour marathon of fucking garbage.

Do you even know what plyometrics are or how to properly do 'em?

Your parents are as dumb as you are. No surprise there.

A friend of mine's little brother took it at age 10 'cause he needed more protein due to some deficiency he had, and he couldn't stomach a lot of food. But I guess that scrawny piece of shit was more manly than you, so why am I comparing?

Workout + bodybuilding plan? I take it you mean lifting weights when you say working out. As for "bodybuilding" plan - you're going to have a huge circle jerk with a bunch of 160 lb. gym rats with pictures of Arnie and Colombou being your center of attention, huh?

 

[fortunatesun]

Umm, ok p11, welcome to EF.

Assuming that you're really interested in question let me say that protein supplementation is not necessary if you're getting an adequate amount of protein from your normal dietary sources.
How much is necessary? For an athlete undergoing a heavy training schedule such as yourself, 1.4 grams of protein per lb. of bodyweight is a good stardard to use. Some will say as little as 1g, others as much as 3, but there's considered opinion that 1.4 is adequate without overkill. If you have trouble eatiing this much every day, it's desirable to get the remaining protein through supplementation.
As far as liver toxicity goes, this is not a problem with protein but with the use of 17a type steroids. The major area of concern parents have is with kidney dysfunction. Protein is processed through the kidney,not the liver. There isn't any scientific evidence that protein disrupts the kidneys, either.
A useful link that addresses this issue can be found here
While you're at Dr. Bernardi's site, you might to to check out some of his other articles if you're concerned about what you should be eating.

 

[Sassy69]

Always start w/ your diet -- it sounds like you have some sort of heavy, very aerobic training schedule -- is that per week or per day? You'll want to make sure you are getting enough carb to support all that and protein to support muscle maintenance.

Food is the one thing that will make the difference for you -- you're a big guy and very young so you need to first eat enough to support your size and second, enough and the right variety of stuff to allow you to continue to meet your nutritional needs as a growing person. If you can, stick w/ real food and maybe a protein shake to supplement the total calories you would need over the course of the day.

Are you working w/ a coach on this program? Does the coach have any clue on diet?

Don't get caught up in looking for all the different supplements & crap people will tell you about (ESPECIALLY STEROIDS...) -- with the level of activity you have, you can probably afford to eat just about anythign, but to get the most out of your calories (i.e. not increase your bodyfat) you should pay attention to eating clean, getting really good clean complex carb sources, minimize the processed crap (I.e. junk food, fast food, stuff w/ lots of sugar, saturated fats, heavy carbs). Drink lots of water. Don't drink a lot of soda. Eat good fruits & veggies. Eat several small meals every 2-3 hours instead of a couple of big ones.

If you really want to delve into this, post up your current daily meal plan & let's see what you are eating. With all the activities you are doing, I can't really see the need to add more. Its the diet that will give you optimized results - i.e. the fuel that you need for those activities so that you burn exactly what you need and not too much so lose muscle but also not eat excess stuff so it gets deposited as bodyfat.

 

[Protobuilder]

What the fuck? Did proto put you here just to piss me off?

Yes.

In fact, fuck steriods, the secret of the pros is LOTS AND LOTS of whey protein. It allows them to do retarded workouts like your 8.5 hour marathon of fucking garbage.

LMFAO!! You are one sick man.

Um, maybe we should confine your helpful, supportive advice to one thread (that'd be the "Ask AI" thread). LoL

 

[P11]

Always start w/ your diet -- it sounds like you have some sort of heavy, very aerobic training schedule -- is that per week or per day? You'll want to make sure you are getting enough carb to support all that and protein to support muscle maintenance.

Food is the one thing that will make the difference for you -- you're a big guy and very young so you need to first eat enough to support your size and second, enough and the right variety of stuff to allow you to continue to meet your nutritional needs as a growing person. If you can, stick w/ real food and maybe a protein shake to supplement the total calories you would need over the course of the day.

Are you working w/ a coach on this program? Does the coach have any clue on diet?

Don't get caught up in looking for all the different supplements & crap people will tell you about (ESPECIALLY STEROIDS...) -- with the level of activity you have, you can probably afford to eat just about anythign, but to get the most out of your calories (i.e. not increase your bodyfat) you should pay attention to eating clean, getting really good clean complex carb sources, minimize the processed crap (I.e. junk food, fast food, stuff w/ lots of sugar, saturated fats, heavy carbs). Drink lots of water. Don't drink a lot of soda. Eat good fruits & veggies. Eat several small meals every 2-3 hours instead of a couple of big ones.

If you really want to delve into this, post up your current daily meal plan & let's see what you are eating. With all the activities you are doing, I can't really see the need to add more. Its the diet that will give you optimized results - i.e. the fuel that you need for those activities so that you burn exactly what you need and not too much so lose muscle but also not eat excess stuff so it gets deposited as bodyfat.

Thanks alot for the help everyone, except for AI...I'm guessing he's the bitch of the forum.

Anyways this was my meal plan during school:
Breakfast (7:00 AM) - 300 ml of milk and cherrios
Bus (7:30 AM) - Apple, banana, 500ml water
Lunch (11:13 AM) - Mr. Sub footlong grilled chicken with lettuce, tomatoes, onions, and mayo. 500ml water
Back Home Snack (3:50) - 2 kiwi's, banana, apple, 500ml of water
Workout (4:20) - 500-800ml of water
Dinner (6:30) - half chicken or 2 srv. of salmon with a salad, corn, and water.

 

[enigma4dub]

Thanks alot for the help everyone, except for AI...I'm guessing he's the bitch of the forum.

lol

 

[Shades McCool]

Thanks alot for the help everyone, except for AI...I'm guessing he's the bitch of the forum.

Ummmmmmm.......

 

[Cynical Simian]

Thanks alot for the help everyone, except for AI...I'm guessing he's the bitch of the forum.

LOL. You learn quickly.

Anyways this was my meal plan during school:
Breakfast (7:00 AM) - 300 ml of milk and cherrios
Bus (7:30 AM) - Apple, banana, 500ml water
Lunch (11:13 AM) - Mr. Sub footlong grilled chicken with lettuce, tomatoes, onions, and mayo. 500ml water
Back Home Snack (3:50) - 2 kiwi's, banana, apple, 500ml of water
Workout (4:20) - 500-800ml of water
Dinner (6:30) - half chicken or 2 srv. of salmon with a salad, corn, and water.

Despite my/Sassy's best efforts, this isn't the diet forum although, as she said, diet will make a huge difference in your training (and probably how you feel the rest of the day too). Check out the diet forum for examples of what/when people eat and perhaps start a "critique my diet" thread for more personal help. Your diet is pretty poor - the diet forumers will probably tear it apart. But you have a chance to get a great and early start eating and training right; I'm sure a lot of people here wish they knew what they do now at age 16. Also, take a look at DJ's journal starting around page 5 for an example of a pretty impressive and thorough diet revamp.

 

[Sassy69]

Good stuff Simian -- my bad to start the diet discussion here -- hard to seperate the two when the diet is what drive the training.

p11 -- start a thread on the Diet forum and post your diet --- basically just copy / paste the info along w/ the same info about your goals, your stats & your training.

I could move this whole thread to the Diet forum for you if you want as well. ...

 

[P11]

Good stuff Simian -- my bad to start the diet discussion here -- hard to seperate the two when the diet is what drive the training.

p11 -- start a thread on the Diet forum and post your diet --- basically just copy / paste the info along w/ the same info about your goals, your stats & your training.

I could move this whole thread to the Diet forum for you if you want as well. ...

Thanks, I created a thread over in the diet section.

 

[Cynical Simian]

Good stuff Simian -- my bad to start the diet discussion here -- hard to seperate the two when the diet is what drive the training.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I think it's great that you frequently bring up diet in this forum. As you said, diet and training are pretty much inextricable, and it's especially critical for people who have weight loss/gain goals. My suggestion about the diet forum was just, as I said, for the more detailed info/critique he could get there (and it looks like he's decided to take advantage of that).

These "help me get started" threads, even more than most others, are hard to classify as solely "diet" or "training", so IMO moving it to the diet forum probably isn't any more or less appropriate than leaving it here.

 

[Protobuilder]

Yep, yep. Diet and training are like jesus and guns.