I agree with joe, eq for me made me very hard and vascular which was great, however I ran it 16 weeks and the cost for the eq alone on that cycle was about twice the cost of the whole cycle I'm running right now, and I've got better results in three weeks on this cycle from tren than I did on 16 weeks on eq... I will say so far my strength gain has been poor from tren, however my diet is incredibly tight on carbs and most people I know have had crazy strength gains on tren, IMO its a very effective recomp drug, I've dropped 5% bodyfat in three weeks with no loss of strength....