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TheGame_620
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gilly6993 said:
I think that is a oxymoron .
I always like talking with doctors about "hormone therapy" it just strikes me as funny how they really know so little but will try to bullshit you with hearsay.
Silent Method
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I know a few people on the inside of the med community. Stories of people being misdiagnosed by a dozen different doctors, put on two dozen different meds, only to find out from one good doc that they are simply allergic to wheat gluten (or some similar scenario) are very common.
To be a doctor you must be a very intelligent and work hard in school. To be a GOOD doctor you must be all that plus a highly dynamically minded person. Sometimes this means dynamically minded enough to see the obvious. Gilly, the doctor you saw was not even smart enough to catch an obvious contradiction within his own sentence.
To be a doctor you must be a very intelligent and work hard in school. To be a GOOD doctor you must be all that plus a highly dynamically minded person. Sometimes this means dynamically minded enough to see the obvious. Gilly, the doctor you saw was not even smart enough to catch an obvious contradiction within his own sentence.
Re: for the most part
Absolutely.
strength said:
Absolutely.
Baby Gorilla
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Geezzz....
You almost gotta love the stupidity.
From what I've learned, the AMA has a "party line" about what steroids are about. While you can get gear legally with a prescription, the AMA will yank the license of any doctor who even thinks of prescribing gear for anything other than what they believe is "medically necessary."
This is why steroids are only available on the black market in the US--creating crime, endangering lives (both innocent bystanders and the user), and consuming law enforcement resources best used for more serious issues of public safety.
I'm not sure how true this part is, but it seems that most all doctors are terrified to even seriously inquire about the truth of steroids lest the AMA find out and punish them. This is frightening for this reason....
Like a lawyer, a doctor has an affirmative duty to pass on valid medical knowledge to their patients. If you walk in and tell your doc you want to use steroids, the doctor should learn what he can, and tell you the truth (both good and bad). He can choose to not give you a prescription. He can ecourage you to not use them, but he can not lie about what he knows.
The way doctors slam steroid use based on propaganda under AMA pressure is medical malpractice. The patient chooses the therapy used, not the doctor. To encourage a person to not use steroids based on lies and unconfirmed "facts" promoted by the AMA (which I'm sure 99+% of doctors know has its own agenda here), is to knowingly promote biased data to a patient seeking truth.
Makes you wonder what other "propaganda" docs push on us, doesn't it.
You almost gotta love the stupidity.
From what I've learned, the AMA has a "party line" about what steroids are about. While you can get gear legally with a prescription, the AMA will yank the license of any doctor who even thinks of prescribing gear for anything other than what they believe is "medically necessary."
This is why steroids are only available on the black market in the US--creating crime, endangering lives (both innocent bystanders and the user), and consuming law enforcement resources best used for more serious issues of public safety.
I'm not sure how true this part is, but it seems that most all doctors are terrified to even seriously inquire about the truth of steroids lest the AMA find out and punish them. This is frightening for this reason....
Like a lawyer, a doctor has an affirmative duty to pass on valid medical knowledge to their patients. If you walk in and tell your doc you want to use steroids, the doctor should learn what he can, and tell you the truth (both good and bad). He can choose to not give you a prescription. He can ecourage you to not use them, but he can not lie about what he knows.
The way doctors slam steroid use based on propaganda under AMA pressure is medical malpractice. The patient chooses the therapy used, not the doctor. To encourage a person to not use steroids based on lies and unconfirmed "facts" promoted by the AMA (which I'm sure 99+% of doctors know has its own agenda here), is to knowingly promote biased data to a patient seeking truth.
Makes you wonder what other "propaganda" docs push on us, doesn't it.
gilly6993 said:
At least he was honest, and he probably spoke for 99% of the profession. This is why healthcare stays in "disease" mode and refuses to move to "prevention" mode--comfort. The world is looking for miracle diet drugs--well, guess what...we have them. Low carb diet, cardio/weight training, HGH, captopril, and Yohimburn. Testosterone and Glucophage and captopril for maintenance. Now, go research it, get it through the FDA, convince the public, reeducate the doctors, etc.
fallenangel
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During my first cycle i didn't have nolva on hand and i was worried about gyno (i thought i was getting it but it was all part of my overactive imagination first cycle worries and all that) i went to the doctor and she said i wasn't getting gyon but if i was there is nothing she could do, i said nolva and she looked blank. She said if i stopped taking them now (the gear) i would be Ok but i explained i was taking sust a time released test and she looked blank again.
My point is most doctors know fuck all about steroids
My point is most doctors know fuck all about steroids
naturally anabolic
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talk with an endocrinologist about test or other hormones and they will blow your mind....atleast the one i go to does, he can explain just about anything from memory.
Sigmund Roid
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My doc has a book with side-effects of all steroids separately. The funny thing is: at every item, there is the same list of side-effects.
So even for primo it says: water retention, agression, liver cancer etc. So essentially the book tells that the side-effects for all steroids are the same. Very funny indeed.
So even for primo it says: water retention, agression, liver cancer etc. So essentially the book tells that the side-effects for all steroids are the same. Very funny indeed.
Endocrinologists are not necessarily any more knowledgeable than general practicioners. I found that out after visiting two different endocrinologists. At the time I had low test, and I asked them for a script. Both said no, b/c they wanted to see if the low levels were only temporary. Fair enough. So I asked about a script for clomid--I even showed them the study that showed how long-term use of clomid helped men with hypogonadism. Here is the great part: the secong guy said that he had just recently reviewed the clomid literature, but he had never prescribed clomid to a man, b/c he was concerned about sides. I asked him three times exactely what sides he was talking about. Finally he said that even though he didn't know of any specific sides, clomid must have sides b/c all drugs do.
Sigmund Roid
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Cyp,
I have been to two endocrinologists, and they both didnt know shit about clomid. They even got angry when I suggested to prescribe me some. I mean, these doctors have been in their job for at least 20 years, and are so called specialists, while the average Joe on this boards knows ten times more than them. Just to get rid of me, they kicked me out with a very nice amount of clomid.
I have been to two endocrinologists, and they both didnt know shit about clomid. They even got angry when I suggested to prescribe me some. I mean, these doctors have been in their job for at least 20 years, and are so called specialists, while the average Joe on this boards knows ten times more than them. Just to get rid of me, they kicked me out with a very nice amount of clomid.
FlyingElvis
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So is there an online physician that will prescribe test?
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Arabian
nice bump newbie!
but yeah 11 years later docs are even more ignorant and flat out retarded. i know cause i play a poker home game with a bunch of them and its a riot talking to them about this shit. hell even on diet they are clueless. they don't teach them a thing about steroids, diet, or working out in med school. and regardless the best way to learn about nutrition and bodybuilding is to actually do it or be trained by someone who actually lives the game. not some geeky MD who spent his whole life in a classroom and not a gym
but yeah 11 years later docs are even more ignorant and flat out retarded. i know cause i play a poker home game with a bunch of them and its a riot talking to them about this shit. hell even on diet they are clueless. they don't teach them a thing about steroids, diet, or working out in med school. and regardless the best way to learn about nutrition and bodybuilding is to actually do it or be trained by someone who actually lives the game. not some geeky MD who spent his whole life in a classroom and not a gym
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