Still take creatine while taking gear?

[PainforGain]

Just wanted to know if people still take creatine while on gear. I was thinking of taking some, i have it left over and would like to get rid of it. If I took it with the gear what should I expect. For example, would i be more bloated than i would be with just being on gear?

 

[ripper2]

this is my 3rd cycle, and my 1st using creatine during the cycle. i seem to be much fuller than before. its not the watery look though. i don't really seem to be holding any excess water other than inside the muscles. i like the results i'm getting from it. i'll probably use it with every cycle from now on

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

I either use it during,or after cycle as part of my recovery regimen.It is one of the few supplements that I actually recommend.

 

[lawnsaver]

Repost-
Creatine/androgen synergy by Huck Finn

Hey fellas.Just dug up an interesting read out of one of my old Ironman mags.The following excerpts are providided by the notorious Michael Gundill(a.k.a. Dharkam)....Although creatine does have testosterone-like effects,it doesn't act as a steroid hormone.Instead,it's a mediator of some of the androgens' anabolic effects.In fact,steroid users get far more out of their cycles if they take in massive amounts of creatine along with the drugs.Androgens are among the hormones that can force the entry of creatine into muscle cells.While there's a clear relationship between muscle strength gains and increases in muscle creatine stores,unfortunately,the relationship is not as obvious when it comes to increases in muscle mass.Animal-based studies have shown that the muscles of untrained rats take up as much creatine as the muscles of trained rats,but the ANABOLIC effects of creatine are only obvious in trained rats.Therefore,training increases the muscles sensitivity to the anabolic actions of creatine.(Although it's not related to this article,the study also demonstrated that the anabolic effects of creatine are DIRECT,and not mediated by waterretention.In fact,in the 1970s American and Russian studies pointed out a DIRECT anabolic effect of creatine on muscle cells.)Testosterone increases the muscles'sensitivity to the anabolic properties of creatine in addition to enhancing the creatine buildup in muscle fibers.It's also obvious that part of the strength gains people experience while on steroids are mediated by an increase in muscle creatine stores.An interesting discovery A/S users have made is that they should dramatically increase their creatine intake during a cycle to boost the potency of the steroids.Thanks to creatine,people can build more muscle mass with fewer drugs.Anecdotal evidence from A/S users points out that it takes at least 10-15 grams(maintenance)of creatine a day to visibly enhance the the anabolic potency of a steroid stack.There are probably good reasons for the increased creatine requirement when androgen levels are high.As mentioned above,steroids increase the muscle uptake of creatine,and if the muscles are ready to accept more creatine,why not give it to them?I also think that even though steroids enhance creatine synthesis,they may increase creatine degradation as well-so more creatine is used up every day.That could be due to an increase in muscle creatine turnover and also the fact that an elevated muscle protein synthesis rate will likely consume creatine at a faster rate.Other reasons for a higher creatine requirement may be indirect.Because the muscles of drug users are stronger and receive more training,they may waste greater amounts of creatine during training.Once inside the muscle,creatine provides not only an anabolic effect,but also a rapidly mobilized source of fuel.Muscle protein synthesis is a process that wastes great amounts of energy.Anabolism is an ATP-dependent process,which means that it's essential for protein synthesis.If the cellular level of ATP is reduced even a little,IT STOPS ANABOLISM.So even if you can increase the testosterone content of your muscles,nothing will happen if your ATP level is low.Creatine supports anabolism by providing energy to the muscle...Well fellas,it looks like it might be a good idea to stock up on creatine when you're grabbing your protein powder for those bulking cycles,hehheh....Huck

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

 

[Munkeee de Sade]

using my girlfriends screen name here, so don't laugh at the name. I think you should always use creatine on cycle. You get a little extra gains, and it helps pump out a few extra reps.

Check out this article.

 

[Munkeee de Sade]

I didn't write this and can't find the name of the original author, but it has come up lately on different boards, and everyone seems to think it was informative, so I thought I would post it here.

cut and paste


All anabolic steriods are synthetic compounds whose structure is similar to that of the natural male sex horomone
testosterone. Testosterone affects development of the male body in
two important ways: it has an anabolic effect-increased growth,
expecially of muscular and skeletal tissue and an androgenic
effect-increased development of mail sexual characteristics. Once
taken into the bloodstream, anabolic steriods bind to hormone
receptonrs on skeletal muscle and other cells and stimulate
synthesis of certain specific enzymes. These enzymes promote two
improtant biochemical reactions: creatine phoshate systesis and
protein sythesis. Creatine phospate is a molecule that can be
metabolized in the absense of sufficient oxygen as a shot-term
source of energy. Increased creatine phospate synthesis thus allows
athletes to train harders and for longer periods of time, and
therefore build more muscle. Protien synthesis is essential for
long-term development of increased muscle mass or "bulk". In
addtion, anabolic steriods promote nitrogen retention by the body.
By allowing for better utization of the nitrogen in ingested
protein, anabolic steriods help athlets to build mass. However this
effect is offset by the bodys homeostatic mechanisms, which are
designed to maintain a stable environment: therefore in order to
increase body mas by using anabolic steriods, athletes must also
adhere to a diet with suffiecent protein and calories - up to 10,000
calories daily with 300 to 400 grams of protein.


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Question, Creatine synthisis, if you increase creatine intake while
on AS will it help you get stronger. I had allways thought it just
added to the amount of water you retain ?
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Although creatine does have testosterone-like effects,it doesn't act
as a steroid hormone.Instead,it's a mediator of some of the
androgens' anabolic effects.In fact,steroid users get far more out
of their cycles if they take in massive amounts of creatine along
with the drugs.Androgens are among the hormones that can force the
entry of creatine into muscle cells.While there's a clear
relationship between muscle strength gains and increases in muscle
creatine stores,unfortunately,the relationship is not as obvious
when it comes to increases in muscle mass.Animal-based studies have
shown that the muscles of untrained rats take up as much creatine as
the muscles of trained rats,but the ANABOLIC effects of creatine are
only obvious in trained rats.Therefore,training increases the
muscles sensitivity to the anabolic actions of creatine.(Although
it's not related to this article,the study also demonstrated that
the anabolic effects of creatine are DIRECT,and not mediated by
waterretention.In fact,in the 1970s American and Russian studies
pointed out a DIRECT anabolic effect of creatine on muscle
cells.)Testosterone increases the muscles'sensitivity to the
anabolic properties of creatine in addition to enhancing the
creatine buildup in muscle fibers.It's also obvious that part of the
strength gains people experience while on steroids are mediated by
an increase in muscle creatine stores.An interesting discovery A/S
users have made is that they should dramatically increase their
creatine intake during a cycle to boost the potency of the
steroids.Thanks to creatine,people can build more muscle mass with
fewer drugs.Anecdotal evidence from A/S users points out that it
takes at least 10-15 grams(maintenance)of creatine a day to visibly
enhance the the anabolic potency of a steroid stack.There are
probably good reasons for the increased creatine requirement when
androgen levels are high.As mentioned above,steroids increase the
muscle uptake of creatine,and if the muscles are ready to accept
more creatine,why not give it to them?I also think that even though
steroids enhance creatine synthesis,they may increase creatine
degradation as well-so more creatine is used up every day.That could
be due to an increase in muscle creatine turnover and also the fact
that an elevated muscle protein synthesis rate will likely consume
creatine at a faster rate.Other reasons for a higher creatine
requirement may be indirect.Because the muscles of drug users are
stronger and receive more training,they may waste greater amounts of
creatine during training.Once inside the muscle,creatine provides
not only an anabolic effect,but also a rapidly mobilized source of
fuel.Muscle protein synthesis is a process that wastes great amounts
of energy.Anabolism is an ATP-dependent process,which means that
it's essential for protein synthesis.If the cellular level of ATP is
reduced even a little,IT STOPS ANABOLISM.So even if you can increase
the testosterone content of your muscles,nothing will happen if your
ATP level is low.Creatine supports anabolism by providing energy to
the muscle...