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Still Losing Hair WHY!?!?!

Finasteride (propecia) blocks the conversion of testosterone to DHT. It is the DHT that attacts the scalp and causes hair follicles in MPB prone people to stop growing hairs. Taking finasteride is meant to prevent further hairloss, and in cases where you catch it quick enough, can reverse some hairloss. However, it is important to note that this will only work whilst you are using finasteride, once you come off, any hairloss that you prevented will begin to occur.
Taking finasteride whilst on any steroids other than Testosterone will have no effect. Finasteride and Dutasteride only work with testosterone, and in fact, if taken with Deca will cause more hair loss than not taking it.
Typically, everybody with hair, prone or not to hairloss, will lose around 100 hairs a day. This is because of the growth cycle which goes through three stages.
Stage 1: The growth stage. At this time, the stem cells within the follicle replicate and grow new hairs. This lasts for 6 years on average, and it is this length of time that dictates the maximum length your hair will ever grow to. Trimming hair does not cause it to grow any quicker or thicker, that is a myth.
Stage 2: This is the transition stage and it is essentially when the hair follicle stops the growth of the hair. This stage lasts around 14 days.
Stage 3: The resting phase. The hair follicle does not produce any new hair cells in this stage and so the hair, that is now cut off from the blood supply will die. The sheaf around the hair, and within the follicle, will gradually shrink in size, and clump as a white crusty mass around the base of the hair. The hair will eventually fall out. The resting phase lasts for around 3 months.
After stage 3 is over, the hair follicle begins growing hair again. However, in people prone to male patter baldness (MPB), the cycle can be interupted, and the growth phase ended early. This is when the follicle is attacked by DHT and the follicle goes into stage 2 early. After stage 3 when the hair has fallen out, if the DHT has done sufficient damage, the hair follicle will no longer return to stage 1 and so no hair grows in this follicle from now on. If DHT has not done enough damage, a vellous hair may grow. A vellous hair is a tiny thin almost colourless hair. Taking propecia can cause vellous hairs to increase in thickness and colour and become non-vellous and so return to a normal growth cycle.
One thing worth noting is that hormone fluctuations can cause hair loss just as much as steroids. Taking propecia is a commitment you have to stick to for a long period of time as stopping and starting it can be worse on the hair than never taking it. That being said, most hormonal induced hairloss (other than DHT or androgenic derived - steroids being androgenic) is not permenant. It is known as stress induced alopecia though despite its name, is not just caused by stress, but many factors such as hormones, chemicals, stress, illness, infection etc... Some people when on a cycle may notice some hairloss within the first few weeks, this almost always stress induced alopecia caused by the hormone fluctuations and is usually not permenant. Permenant hairloss takes around 3 months before the hair actually falls out due to the length of time stage 2 and 3 of the growth cycle require.

Besides propecia, there are a few other products you can try. Minoxidil, Spironolactone (topical is usually recommended over tablets), azelic acid flakes, nourkrin (nutritional supplement) and dutasteride to name a few.
Finasteride and Dutasteride are similar in effect, though fina only prevent conversion through one of the receptors and not both like dutasteride. However, dutasteride is known to cause severe side effects in some people and is not usually recommended.
 
instant.muscle said:
ive been wanting 2 try propecia, what is it mainly for, 2 make hair grow back where hairline has receeded, to take the hair u currently have and make it stronger, or keep hair u have left from falling out?
Propecia can grow back hair but I use it just as a preventitive measure at this point.

The difference between Dutasteride and Finasteride is that Dutasteride inhibits the activities of both the type 1 and type 2 5AR enzymes unlike

Finasteride which only inhibits type 2.

These enzymes are responsible for the conversion of testosterone into DHT.

Dutasteride decreases levels of DHT by 90 percent after only two weeks making it a much more powerful weapon against hair loss and BPH.
 
DUTASTERIDE will be the way to go then. I have been so mad I doubled up the duta and fina and noticed little or no sides. I was probably just pissed at the world and not feeling any different. I have been shooting huge loads on my girl, :blow:so there aren't sexual sides... Dutasteride might be the best thing then. I will keep the fina for backup and do the duta for the time being to try to save myself. I might still get the surgery anyway because I am that much of a perfectionist and in denial of looking old when I feel so damn young I am going to go nuts itf it isn't fixed or in the process of being fixed. I'm not the type of person that can sit back and let things get out of hand.

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krmass24 said:
DUTASTERIDE will be the way to go then. I have been so mad I doubled up the duta and fina and noticed little or no sides. I was probably just pissed at the world and not feeling any different. I have been shooting huge loads on my girl, :blow:so there aren't sexual sides... Dutasteride might be the best thing then. I will keep the fina for backup and do the duta for the time being to try to save myself. I might still get the surgery anyway because I am that much of a perfectionist and in denial of looking old when I feel so damn young I am going to go nuts itf it isn't fixed or in the process of being fixed. I'm not the type of person that can sit back and let things get out of hand.

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.5mg ed is about the highest that you want to take duta.
Anything above .5mg will inhibit same amount of dht as .5mg.
You're just wasting it above .5
 
sounds good. I will stick to the .5 duta daily for a couple years now and see what happens. Worst comes to worse Iw ill be making enough money in a year or so to afford a 3k procedure for transplants on ym frontal hairline and mid head area. I'm not afraid of surgery. i've had two rhinoplasty procedures and want fat injection under my eyes where I get dark circles sometimes. Ahhhh what we do to be hot.// :chomp:
 
I think your paranoid ... I played hockey all my life and thought the helmet was causing baldness.

When I was like 15 id run my hands through my hair @ school and tons would fall out.

Guess what? The average person loses like 500 hairs a day, and brushing them out manually obviously will excaberate this.

Well, I have a ridiculously thick head of hair still and turns out I was a vain and paranoid kid.

I dont use AAS mind you, and especially if your genetically predisposed (mothers father) DHT derrives steroids will speed up your body clock with regards to hair.
 
I'd personally use the finasteride. It reduces DHT by around 75% so not much difference to Dutasteride, but it comes with less side effects. Also, their are side effects that can occur from having so little DHT in the body. I can't recall what they where, but increased estrogen seems to spring to mind but don't quote me on that.
 
I think it has made a difference now. less hair is falling out. you have to take the drug very regularly. I have a slight side effect. the soldier stands at attention but has less feeling and the girlfriend hasn't been happy. Bitch, can't give me a couple days to get used to somthing. :chomp:
 
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