Steroids ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

[needtogetaas]

Lots of people have very strong convictions against women using steroids. The most common misconceptions involve the strain of though that steroids will turn a woman into a muscle-bound man with a vagina. Although this may be true in some cases, the fact remains that steroids could be very beneficial to women.

Sure, if you inject a woman with testosterone, she will eventually develop very male characteristics. In fact, this is likely to occur with the use of most steroids. Some side effects may include deepening of the voice, development of facial and body hair, and clitoral enlargement. Some sports, like female bodybuilding, encourage the participants to develop unnatural amounts of muscle. So in an attempt to excel at their chosen sport, some women do in fact make that ultimate sacrifice. That is where the common misconceptions are born.

There is also a moral issue to deal with. Is it fair to use foreign substances to achieve a thin and beautiful body? I believe that it is fair. After all, are not E/C/A, protein supplements, and the such foreign substances? One may argue that steroids would cause a higher amount of damage to the body. While this is true if the wrong steroids are used or used the wrong way,in to high amounnt or for to fucking long, if a female steroid user has the proper guidance, there is A lot less risk. There are also many other points that bother me about our society's disdain for female steroid usage. Many claim that it is such a shallow motive to want to look good. I beg to differ. Would you prefer the woman to continue life feeling bad and ashamed of her body? Perhaps having to settle with a mate that she deems unworthy? I say better to look good and be in shape. Hell the fucking health risks to being a fat ass out od shape woman can be far worse then some of the sides from moderate aas use.

Explain to me why it is socially acceptable to use the birth control pill, which is a steroid,
This one has been killing me for years^^^^ birth control is a fucking steroid. SOme of them cause weight gains,some weight lose, some cause big big time fucking side effects. Yet 8 out of 10 woman are on the fucking things and its perfectly ok. Next time you say woman should not take steroids make sure you are not on birth control (because guess what your taking steroids).

How ever

you must first determine your ultimate goals. If your goal is to gain as much muscle as possible, with no regard to preserving your feminine qualities, please go elsewhere. Elitefitness.com is deff not for you



We do have a lot of great woman here on our board. Some of whom use or have used steroids and other drugs..

 

[needtogetaas]

yup

 

[IncredibleHoss]

heck yeah

 

[the_alcatraz]

good thread.

 

[Thandie]

So, with THE SILENCE of your board moderators, I am thinking that they MAJORITY OF THE BOARD EOTHER BELIEVE THAT:

1. It is not possible "to gain as much muscle as possible, with no regard to preserving your feminine qualities"

or

2. They just don't care....


Which is it elite moderators/moderators of the women's forum?

This is my opinion since I have no experience with anabolics.
I think it is possible to gain as much muscle as possible and still preserve feminine qualities, however there's a fine line there to walk.

Did I understand the question right?

 

[slat1]

I think everything in life should be looked at in a smart fashion. If there are benefits you also have to look at the drawbacks. Its all about balance and understanding.

 

[needtogetaas]

This is my opinion since I have no experience with anabolics.
I think it is possible to gain as much muscle as possible and still preserve feminine qualities, however there's a fine line there to walk.

Did I understand the question right?

I have no idea what twisted word game question she asked ether.


Just ask a st8 question and get a st8 answer.

Is it possible to use steroids well still preserving your feminine qualities? well yes many woman know the answer to this is yes. Even you yourself bm know the answer to this is yes.


I know I a little about your cycle history and you still look very much like a beautiful woman to me.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

I would say yes it is possible but steroids and women are such an extremely individual reaction which in truth is not to diffrent from men. Some women have better receptors for anabolics then others and can experience all the gains and benifits with very little or nill side effects. On the other hand some women will have absolutly horrible side effects with very little gains. Using steroids outside of a Dr. guidance is playing chemist with your own body there are some very big risks to it. Like any choice in life you have to weight the risk reward for yourself and make the choice.

 

[ironwings]

I would say yes it is possible but steroids and women are such an extremely individual reaction which in truth is not to diffrent from men. Some women have better receptors for anabolics then others and can experience all the gains and benifits with very little or nill side effects. On the other hand some women will have absolutly horrible side effects with very little gains. Using steroids outside of a Dr. guidance is playing chemist with your own body there are some very big risks to it. Like any choice in life you have to weight the risk reward for yourself and make the choice.

+1

Femininity is perceived by culture and is considered a trait of behaving in ways deemed appropriate by society. As we evolve so does femininity. Wearing jeans 40 years ago would have been just as unfeminine as we consider manly features on a women today. Do we really want to live up to such standards? Please ladies, be yourself - do not concern yourself with what society thinks you should be.

On the topic of no mentors/mods responding to needto's post. It was straight up information and I think it is obvious that those that are part of EF understand that steroid information is part of the site. Whether you use or not. No response needed.

 

[Dieselicious]

Not to be hitting up the Female blog..

just saw the !!!!!!!!'s. lol.

Aye my chick uses and i would never have guessed, and since then i have found out a lot of her girlz from the gym are using too… I think It’s a lot more common for woman (mainly with Var) than a lot of people who don’t use would imagine.

all I have to say to you girls is - if it works - WORK IT!!!

 

[needtogetaas]

What it really is is that I rule!!!!!! I think?

 

[ironwings]

What it really is is that I rule!!!!!! I think?

Sometimes ;-)

 

[chazk]

+1

Femininity is perceived by culture and is considered a trait of behaving in ways deemed appropriate by society. As we evolve so does femininity. Wearing jeans 40 years ago would have been just as unfeminine as we consider manly features on a women today. Do we really want to live up to such standards? Please ladies, be yourself - do not concern yourself with what society thinks you should be.

On the topic of no mentors/mods responding to needto's post. It was straight up information and I think it is obvious that those that are part of EF understand that steroid information is part of the site. Whether you use or not. No response needed.

well dont think were talking about girls in boots and jeans working the ranch as non feminine becuase they are dressed rugged.
Were talking about adams apples,hairy upper lips,deep voice and
acne on backs as not " feminine" But you make a good point on what society thinks is " feminine" and how feminine is brainwashed into people heads men and woman both at a young age.

When you think of it this way ? some girls are born with more testosterone then others naturally, sandra bullock is hot looking yet she has a "adams apple neck" that is usually found in men over women and would be considered non feminine in females.Some girls get hairy forarms yet are still 100% woman just with some extra hair.

Some girls naturally lean toward a feminine body type, big ol tittes round ass curves every where. Where some girls are more muscular and lean looking with smaller hips and not so much estrogen fat storage in the breast.

Does not make any girl less of a girl if she has size AA breast or DD breast yet T.V ,radio and magazine ads have tuaght people different .

Alot of the feminization that is pushed is just shaving legs and under arms, wearing fancy perfumes,make up and so on to create what society thinks a woman " should look like "

Personally in the gym of all areas I dont like looking at girl in tight spandex and push up sports bra's with make up on, fake tan and trying to not break a sweat .Shit looks to girly and made up like they are dressing as they were instructed by cosmo or some magazine " how to dress for the gym and look like a female " LOL. My wife throws down in a tank top and sweat pants or some ol baggy clothes. Shit its a place to work out get sweaty and stink in my opinion so i am gonna do just that
Some girls wear so much goddamn perfume I am literally sneezing as they walk by.Just use a speed stick and get over yourself the entire gym dont need to smell you from 20 ft away.

I guess I am into the "tomboy" type of girls or what I think "tomboy" should be as society says

 

[Tatyana]

It is socially acceptable for a woman to take birth control pills as it is a medical treatment, as well as a socio-political advance for women to be able to control there own fertility.

The history of the birth control pill and the historical context is really quite fascinating reading.

As well, birth control pills are more aligned with the natural levels of female hormones, whereas women taking steroids for athletic enhancement would be altering the natural hormone profile quite significantly.

There are of course medical uses for anabolic steroids with women as well, but I realise this is not what you are referring to.

 

[gladiator21]

i nailed a chick that did a couple cycles of anavar and winstrol she was shredded but not nasty huge and she didnt have a beard.....it was like a damn powerlifting contest..haha

 

[needtogetaas]

It is socially acceptable for a woman to take birth control pills as it is a medical treatment, as well as a socio-political advance for women to be able to control there own fertility.

The history of the birth control pill and the historical context is really quite fascinating reading.

As well, birth control pills are more aligned with the natural levels of female hormones, whereas women taking steroids for athletic enhancement would be altering the natural hormone profile quite significantly.

There are of course medical uses for anabolic steroids with women as well, but I realise this is not what you are referring to.

My wife is fucked up for life from birth control pills. Her hormones are literally fucked for life. So much so the doc told her if she wants to come of of them she will have to go on hormones just to come of the birth control...

I have seen birth conntrol make my wife fat as a big and then switch to another and watched them make her so skinny it was un healthy.



A woman not being able to get progo is not natural you know. So she is taking a pill to force her body to do unnatural things ie not get prago.. This is ok, but taking a hormone to make her body grow more muscle,get in better shape is not? Because it can make her body do things that are unnatural?

Just throwing it out there.

 

[Tatyana]

I have never been on BC pills for any more than one year, just out of interest.

I have a clotting thing that I now know of so it is probably a good thing, and now the doctors won't put me on birth control.

 

[needtogetaas]

I have never been on BC pills for any more than one year, just out of interest.

I have a clotting thing that I now know of so it is probably a good thing, and now the doctors won't put me on birth control.

I am sure the time my wife has been on bc prob has a lot to do with it. Years at a time since she was 16. But still I see no woman out there telling other woman of that age or any age that birth control can fuck them up. They all just assume they (need it) because its the only option to obtain there goal (not getting prago) so its perfectly ok no matter what they long/short term side effects may be.

 

[Thandie]

I am sure the time my wife has been on bc prob has a lot to do with it. Years at a time since she was 16. But still I see no woman out there telling other woman of that age or any age that birth control can fuck them up. They all just assume they (need it) because its the only option to obtain there goal (not getting prago) so its perfectly ok no matter what they long/short term side effects may be.

I agree with what you're saying. In fact, I do suggest to women NOT to go on BC. It does alter your hormones substantially. I was on the pill for a few years when I was younger and it took my body on a roller coaster ride. I didn't gained a lot of weight, fortunately, however I was very bloated, retaining a lot of water. My moods were also uncontrollable. I was lucky I didn't end up with other health related illness (such as cancer) as a result.

Your wife is better off using other methods of BC.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

Needto I completely agree about birth control it really screws with womens emotions etc big time mother nature does that enough as is BC just makes it worse IMO.

 

[needtogetaas]

I agree with what you're saying. In fact, I do suggest to women NOT to go on BC. It does alter your hormones substantially. I was on the pill for a few years when I was younger and it took my body on a roller coaster ride. I didn't gained a lot of weight, fortunately, however I was very bloated, retaining a lot of water. My moods were also uncontrollable. I was lucky I didn't end up with other health related illness (such as cancer) as a result.

Your wife is better off using other methods of BC.

Ya I need to stop being such a pussy and get the old snippy snip.

 

[Thandie]

Ya I need to stop being such a pussy and get the old snippy snip.

Oooh, does it have to be the the 'old snip'?
What about other alternatives??

 

[slat1]

Ya I need to stop being such a pussy and get the old snippy snip.

They can do it now with out cutting or using a needle... or so the add on the radio says every morning.

 

[needtogetaas]

Oooh, does it have to be the the 'old snip'?
What about other alternatives??

I could start sleeping with older less fertile woman.
















I kid I kid.

 

[Thandie]

I could start sleeping with older less fertile woman.



I kid I kid.

I know!

 

[sessa]

Just to add in my 2 cents to this whole debate

I was on the BC pill for about 5 years. Then in 2004 I went off it to get ready for a fitness model show. Well, i didn't end up getting my period for 2 years. I was sent to every dr out there. No real answers...

My period is still irregular now. I have recently been to a endocrinologist and she said I have all the symptoms of low estrogen.
I have a hard time focusing, really bad night sweats, and other issues. I also know that my testosterone is below the charts.
So for the next month I have to give blood at different points to check all the hormonal levels.

She said that I am going to have to go on HRT. That if I don't having the low estrogen can lead to osteo and other issues.
And I already have low bone mass. So one of the options would be to go back on the pill. It sends the body estrogen and progesterone which i need.

BTW I am only 30. But i am not sure if all this stemmed from being on the pill or not.
The dr. mentioned that a lot of athletes run into hormone issues because of low body fat levels.
Mine are below 15%, but I wouldn't call that low. Guess to society it is.

 

[ironwings]

On average a women needs 21% bodyfat to be in optimal health. Meaning there is enough body created fat and fat intake to: insulate organs, keep a consistant body temperature, protect against disease (the body can actually store disease like substances in fat cells until the body can discreet them on its own), have a healthy pregnancy, aid in breastfeeding, sustain hormone levels after birth, and protect against osteoporosis. I'm sure there are more that aren't coming to me right now. There is also a risk if you sustain under 18% bodyfat of being vitamin deficient (no matter gender or height). I think in A,D,E and maybe K.

Just wanted to share -I am certainly not saying we should all be over 21% - lord help us. Athletes have routine blood tests to ensure everything is functioning properly, we should too - especially if using hormones. Most importantly know your body and if something doesn't feel right, don't ignore it.

On to the real subject:

The difference in BC and steroids or HRT is that there is tons of research done on them. We know very little about long term effect of HRT or steroids. Mostly, because they can't be patented, thus not making money, thus not researched.

All in all, steroid use (legal or illegal), the pill or HRT is a very personal choice. I'm not sure someone taking HRT is all that much different than someone taking steroids. Neither are used for life or death medical concerns - but rather used for a better quality of life, comfort, vatality as we age, and vanity. I'm sure we all recall our mothers or grandmothers living in a time where symptoms of peri or menapause and PMS were considered a women's duty to endure. Don't throw eggs at me ladies...I'm not taking sides. I simply believe it is a personal choice and one needs to be aware of options and risks no matter what supplements they are taking. Know there are more risks associated with illegal steroids than bc or HRT. But also know we really don't know enough about any of them to be conclusive.

 

[needtogetaas]

Good thread.

 

[Tatyana]

Ya I need to stop being such a pussy and get the old snippy snip.

And BINGO was his name-o.

It is a very simple procedure for men, and you can have your tubes 'tied' so it is reversible.

 

[Tatyana]

On average a women needs 21% bodyfat to be in optimal health. Meaning there is enough body created fat and fat intake to: insulate organs, keep a consistant body temperature, protect against disease (the body can actually store disease like substances in fat cells until the body can discreet them on its own), have a healthy pregnancy, aid in breastfeeding, sustain hormone levels after birth, and protect against osteoporosis. I'm sure there are more that aren't coming to me right now. There is also a risk if you sustain under 18% bodyfat of being vitamin deficient (no matter gender or height). I think in A,D,E and maybe K.

Just wanted to share -I am certainly not saying we should all be over 21% - lord help us. Athletes have routine blood tests to ensure everything is functioning properly, we should too - especially if using hormones. Most importantly know your body and if something doesn't feel right, don't ignore it.

On to the real subject:

The difference in BC and steroids or HRT is that there is tons of research done on them. We know very little about long term effect of HRT or steroids. Mostly, because they can't be patented, thus not making money, thus not researched.

All in all, steroid use (legal or illegal), the pill or HRT is a very personal choice. I'm not sure someone taking HRT is all that much different than someone taking steroids. Neither are used for life or death medical concerns - but rather used for a better quality of life, comfort, vatality as we age, and vanity. I'm sure we all recall our mothers or grandmothers living in a time where symptoms of peri or menapause and PMS were considered a women's duty to endure. Don't throw eggs at me ladies...I'm not taking sides. I simply believe it is a personal choice and one needs to be aware of options and risks no matter what supplements they are taking. Know there are more risks associated with illegal steroids than bc or HRT. But also know we really don't know enough about any of them to be conclusive.

There have been a huge number of studies done on women related to BC pills and HRT, and as all of us are aware, the results are often quite conflicting, they protect against osteoporosis, they increase or decrease the risk of heart disease and stroke, increase or decrease the risk of breast cancer...

All of this is related to our biochemical individuality and how scientific research is done. It is a population mean from which predictions can be made.

While the BC pill and HRT are quite safe for the vast majority of women, there are some for which these hormones are going to have a detrimental effect.

Personally, while I have avoided the pill most of my life, I am already starting to do research into HRT as I do want to make an informed choice when the time comes that I will have to choose.

I am leaning towards taking it, however there are several issues that I need to consider:

1. Testosterone is not prescribed with HRT in the UK.

2. I think the majority of the drugs available for HRT are not the biologically matched one (or whatever Thandie referred to it as).

3. I will have to have this confirmed, but I don't think you can compete as a natural if you take HRT in the UK, which I find a bit odd as it is ok for women to be on the pill.

 

[ironwings]

Biochemical hormones are "said" to be better because they are manufactured to have the same molecule structure as the hormones produced by your body. AND, most importantly the are individually given and considered (it is called BHRT). A hormone panel test is done and dosages of estrogen, testosterone, and DHEA (and sometimes HGH) are all looked at and adjusted appropriately for you (no different than taking steroids other than it is legally prescribed). Typically HRT is a one-size-fits-all dosage approach and one that doctors are most famililar with because of the research that has been done. HRT is also intentionally structured synthetically so that they can be patented, money spent on research, and money made. However, very little research has been done on BHRT (I should have refered to it as such in my previous post). Drug companies won't spend money researching something they cannot patent. (very much like the steroid world) I talk to so many women that have been put on HRT and I'll ask "how did you determine how much of each hormone was needed?" The answer is always - my doctor just put me on such and such amount as a typical dosage. They usually all have the same amount. I think it is time this practice is questioned.

In the US BHRT is popping up everywhere and is becoming popular among people that want to counteract the aging process. Men want more muscle, women want to lose weight or gain muscle and have their skin look like they are 20. Or, in other words, legal steroid use. Hollywood has been doing it for ages. This is far from HRT and the use for menapause symptoms. You do not need such symptoms to be prescribed BHRT and is more acceptable for young people. It is quiet the topic. Steroids marketed as anti-aging. The great thing about this is that at least these men and women are under doctor supervision and hormone levels are being tested often. And I am all for returning your hormone levels to those at your rip young age of 20! Much safer than illegal steroid use. I would imagine for this very reason (and as this becomes more popular) the figure world is going to have issues with it.

Good luck Tat with your research. I think it is great that you are looking into it now.

Tat - you can always look at HRT research and somewhat relate it to BHRT. The difference in prescribing it is that with BHRT (if you have a good doctor) your hormone levels and blood work are tested frequently to ensure levels are consistant and that there are no "foreign" cells being fought off (sign of cancer). Sometimes with BHRT your body can kick in and start producing the hormones itself (particularly if under 45). This is still all up for research.

 

[needtogetaas]

Well I like the way this thread is going.