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test-monkey

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say your on a test-eq cycle and you want to add a steroid only on training day for a little boost what would be the best product? besides test suspension it would have to be an oral, what do you think would be the best steroid? I know some people are on a d-ball cycle at 30mg a day and on workout day they bump it up to 50mg what i'm saying is using the oral only prior to training time.
 
why would you only add it during training days, the best results come with even blood levels, which you sure wont have taking it that way. And its not like taking something 4-5 days per week, as opposed to 7 is going to have any noticeable impact on your health
 
I don't see the benefit of it. You want consistently high blood concentrations of hormones.
 
I agree with needsize and dt on this one. Its pointless.
 
The only steroids that you can benefit from with such a cycle would be either dbol or drol....even then it's not ideal but doable....It's more to it then just taking something for a quick burst of strength and/or energy....If this is all you are looking for then stick with creatine and epherine! Because what's going to happen is your going to take something very powerful very lightly and in turn going to cause more trouble then what it's worth in the long run!
 
I agree with the other fellas on this. Even blood levels is what you should have. Juice on training days only is pointless.
 
hammertime30 said:
The only steroids that you can benefit from with such a cycle would be either dbol or drol....even then it's not ideal but doable....It's more to it then just taking something for a quick burst of strength and/or energy....If this is all you are looking for then stick with creatine and epherine! Because what's going to happen is your going to take something very powerful very lightly and in turn going to cause more trouble then what it's worth in the long run!
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Definately bro,

If you are looking for a burst of energy at the gym I would look into something else instead of taking another compound for just training days.

Just like I think Needsize posted, why not take just add a compound if you aren't happy with your current cycle, why not just add in those extra 2 days.

I re-read your post, I'm not sure what week you are in on your current cycle, but I would probably just throw in 30mg of dbol ED. This will give you the pump that you are seeking.
 
I agree with you all, but don't forget that i'm talking about doing it while on a cycle when blood levels are already consistent
now the only reason to do this is if you what to use a harsh substance you can't take for a whole 10-12 week cycle such as drol, and what I had in mind halotestin! do you think you can benifit from the strenth of halotestin on a workout only day, when taken in the morning about 3-4 hours before your workout?

halo is very harsh, and say if you train 3-4 times a week I think it would be better for your body to be on halotestin 3-4 times a week then 7 days a week don't you?
 
2big4urmom... orb you should get something done about that gyno. I would start with 40 mg of nolva a day, 1.25 mg of letro a day, and consider meeting with a plastic surgen.
 
I'm not condoning or suggesting but.....couldn't a person take suspension for an extra boost??? I agree taking it everyday makes more sense but i was just wondering because of how fast acting suspension is.
 
halfaclue said:
I'm not condoning or suggesting but.....couldn't a person take suspension for an extra boost??? I agree taking it everyday makes more sense but i was just wondering because of how fast acting suspension is.
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But then he wouldn't be taking it on training days only. I got the best results from Suspension taking 100mg every other day or taking 150mg every 2 days.

I think Dbol ED at 30mg (according to the Jenetics post I would run it for 8wks) would be more convenient on his current cycle.
 
wnt2bBeast said:
same here..
hammer how would this only work with dbl/drol???
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dbol has a half life of 4-6 hours...If you were to take lets say 25mg at once, then you will have roughly 12mg of effectiveness for 6 hours then another 6mg for another 6 hours and so on. You will peak in about 1.5 hours which will give you that big burst of strength that he's talking about. During that time will still be eating, so if his sodium and other micronutrients is sufficient, he will retain water and protein storage over the course of the 12-18 hours of time effectiveness that dbol is in the blood stream...studies have should that 5mg daily is enough to provide some gains so if he was to train every other day, then he will still get some benefit from dbol over time....not the full benefit, but some! If you take 20mg eod for 2 weeks, don't think for a second that dbol won't provide you with some of the benefits such as water retention, increased protein synthesis, and anabolism! When experimenting....I took 20mg (russian) all 1.5 hours before training on training days and 10mg on off days so I definitely had varying blood levels and felt great all day. When I posted this, many attacked that it's not a good way to take dbol...No it wasn't idea, but no one has yet to figure out the optimal way to take dbol....even researchers showed the arguement between taking them all at once vs spreading them out with no one idea solution.....so i wanted to experiment a little....i still managed to put on 8lbs in 10 days and went from squating 315lbs for about 5 reps on the 4th set to 385lbs for about 9 reps on the 4th set and muscle hardness was amazing. When I tried breaking up the 20mg over the day, I couldn't even tell that I was on dbol.....Now i'm taking 30mg spreaded out 10mg every 5-6 hours and the results don't come close to taking them all at once and again, I can't even tell that I'm on dbol....Until someone does an experiment using all the various dosing methods, brand names, body types and so forth, no one can truely say what is the best way to take dbol.
 
I know what you mean Hammer.

Before I found this site and knew where to look I had liquid dbol 25mg/ml. I put them into gel caps and would take them ED about 30min before I hit the gym.

Now if I were to say I take 25mg of dbol all at once before lifting I would get quite a bit of negative feedback. To be honest I actually think I had better gains, and it was a lot more convenient.
 
so no one has used halo before training?

hey innocent about ephendrine, after months and years I had to stop stimulants. they are really bad on your body when used long periods of time, even only on workout days. so when taking breaks from ECA i'm looking for an extra edge.
 
test-monkey said:
so no one has used halo before training?

hey innocent about ephendrine, after months and years I had to stop stimulants. they are really bad on your body when used long periods of time, even only on workout days. so when taking breaks from ECA i'm looking for an extra edge.
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Division is a big Halo fan...wait for him to respond
 
hammertime30 said:
dbol has a half life of 4-6 hours...If you were to take lets say 25mg at once, then you will have roughly 12mg of effectiveness for 6 hours then another 6mg for another 6 hours and so on. You will peak in about 1.5 hours which will give you that big burst of strength that he's talking about. During that time will still be eating, so if his sodium and other micronutrients is sufficient, he will retain water and protein storage over the course of the 12-18 hours of time effectiveness that dbol is in the blood stream...studies have should that 5mg daily is enough to provide some gains so if he was to train every other day, then he will still get some benefit from dbol over time....not the full benefit, but some! If you take 20mg eod for 2 weeks, don't think for a second that dbol won't provide you with some of the benefits such as water retention, increased protein synthesis, and anabolism! When experimenting....I took 20mg (russian) all 1.5 hours before training on training days and 10mg on off days so I definitely had varying blood levels and felt great all day. When I posted this, many attacked that it's not a good way to take dbol...No it wasn't idea, but no one has yet to figure out the optimal way to take dbol....even researchers showed the arguement between taking them all at once vs spreading them out with no one idea solution.....so i wanted to experiment a little....i still managed to put on 8lbs in 10 days and went from squating 315lbs for about 5 reps on the 4th set to 385lbs for about 9 reps on the 4th set and muscle hardness was amazing. When I tried breaking up the 20mg over the day, I couldn't even tell that I was on dbol.....Now i'm taking 30mg spreaded out 10mg every 5-6 hours and the results don't come close to taking them all at once and again, I can't even tell that I'm on dbol....Until someone does an experiment using all the various dosing methods, brand names, body types and so forth, no one can truely say what is the best way to take dbol.
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still steady blood levels are the BEST way to administer anything..no one was implying that you would see no results just on workout days but wouldnt you want to get the best results possible?
 
wnt2bBeast said:
still steady blood levels are the BEST way to administer anything..no one was implying that you would see no results just on workout days but wouldnt you want to get the best results possible?
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Is this conclusion based on your experience or research? so far my results were better when taking 20mg at once than when currently taking 30mg at 10mg every 5-6 hours...Can you explain this? I'm not knocking splitting vs taking all at once, however preaching steady blood levels are best don't hold up being it's impossible to keep blood levels steady with dbol...yes you can increase the consentration level over the course of the day, but even then the blood levels are going to vary. So far more people are saying that their results were better when taking all at once then when splitting them up...which sounds like a good poll!!! Hint..Hint!
 
hammertime30 said:
Is this conclusion based on your experience or research? so far my results were better when taking 20mg at once than when currently taking 30mg at 10mg every 5-6 hours...Can you explain this? I'm not knocking splitting vs taking all at once, however preaching steady blood levels are best don't hold up being it's impossible to keep blood levels steady with dbol...yes you can increase the consentration level over the course of the day, but even then the blood levels are going to vary. So far more people are saying that their results were better when taking all at once then when splitting them up...which sounds like a good poll!!! Hint..Hint!
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I got your back on this one bro, I have experimented and done some research as well.

I got my best results taking all at once, and here is my explanation:

We know that half life of Dbol is 3-5hrs(I'm sure it will vary on strenght,etc).

So we know that single daily dosages will produce a varrying blood levels w/ ups and downs throughout the day.

But, splitting dosages will produce lower peaks in blood levels, so that is the dilemma.

Taking single dosings your steroid hormone levels will be less exaggerated since it has a lesser effect on the hypothalamic-pituitary-testicalar axis.

Also, I read that anecdoctal evidence still supports single ED dosages for better results. Especially since blood level concentration will peak 1.5-3hrs after taking it.

I did still get gains by splitting them up but, my best results where taking it them all at once 30min.-1hr before training.
 
2BIG4URMOM said:
But, splitting dosages will produce lower peaks in blood levels, so that is the dilemma.
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explain because that does not make any sense!!
hammer was this a dbol only cycle or were there other compunds in your stack..
 
wnt2bBeast said:
explain because that does not make any sense!!
hammer was this a dbol only cycle or were there other compunds in your stack..
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test cyp/eq in the mix...1st 2-3 weeks of the cycle so neither had the impact....gains stopped when dbol stopped...we've had this discussion before...we need a poll...I started a thread on how to start one...so Mods help a fella out!
 
wnt2bBeast said:
explain because that does not make any sense!!
hammer was this a dbol only cycle or were there other compunds in your stack..
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It's common sense bro, you will have a lesser concentration of a dose, remember the half life.
 
2BIG4URMOM said:
It's common sense bro, you will have a lesser concentration of a dose, remember the half life.
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how will you have lesser concentraion by splitting your dose throughout the day?
NS is very experienced as well as DT about gear they dont seem to agree with you guys!!
 
all steroids cause growth through the same mechanism, increasing nitorogen retention. So keeping that in mind, would you grow better when increasing your body's ability to retain nitrogen over a few hours a day, as opposed to all of the day? The answer is obvious..... It doesnt matter how much you increase this ability for just a few hours, as you can only eat so much food in a 6 hour as opposed to 16 hour period
If you are pretty much a beginner, then you can grow taking shit pretty much any old way, but the more advanced you become, then taking things haphazardly wont cut it any more. Same with training, beginners make great gains doing pretty much anything, but an anvanced bodybuilder needs to put a whole lot more thought into the way they do things
 
needsize said:
all steroids cause growth through the same mechanism, increasing nitorogen retention. So keeping that in mind, would you grow better when increasing your body's ability to retain nitrogen over a few hours a day, as opposed to all of the day? The answer is obvious..... It doesnt matter how much you increase this ability for just a few hours, as you can only eat so much food in a 6 hour as opposed to 16 hour period
If you are pretty much a beginner, then you can grow taking shit pretty much any old way, but the more advanced you become, then taking things haphazardly wont cut it any more. Same with training, beginners make great gains doing pretty much anything, but an anvanced bodybuilder needs to put a whole lot more thought into the way they do things
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That makes sense as well and it's no doubt about the fact that what works for a beginner doesn't work for an advanced user however...even if taking dbol all at once, the "half" life is 6 hours meaning that it doesn't totally clear your system for an 18-24 hour period and even longer; not 6 hours and by then you are dosing again.....I'm not saying that what you are saying doesn't have a sound foundation, but that must be clarified.
 
wnt2bBeast said:
how will you have lesser concentraion by splitting your dose throughout the day?
NS is very experienced as well as DT about gear they dont seem to agree with you guys!!
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Meaning the blood level peak wouldn't be as high. The fact NS and DT are very experienced at AAS is great for the board, however many experience individuals who are experts at many different things have been wrong on many occassions, so just because someone is very experienced at something doesn't mean that there isn't room for others to challenge it.
 
hammertime30 said:
Meaning the blood level peak wouldn't be as high. The fact NS and DT are very experienced at AAS is great for the board, however many experience individuals who are experts at many different things have been wrong on many occassions, so just because someone is very experienced at something doesn't mean that there isn't room for others to challenge it.
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first define what "half life" means second tell me how administering a drug more than one time per day will cause you to have lower peak levels in your blood???
i have no problem debating with you since this is civilized and not a flame fest
 
the half life is 4 hours, so if you take 40mg all at once, 4 hours later you have 20mg, 4 hours after 10mg, and so on, which leaves you with pretty low blood concentrations after the day is half over. The same could be said for injecting enth, you could inject it several times per week, maintaining as even a blood level as you can, or you could inject a few grams once every few weeks. I guarantee the first method will result in much better gains
I split mine up into 5 doses, so that I have high concentrations from when I get up in the morning, till most of the way through the night
 
needsize said:
the half life is 4 hours, so if you take 40mg all at once, 4 hours later you have 20mg, 4 hours after 10mg, and so on, which leaves you with pretty low blood concentrations after the day is half over. The same could be said for injecting enth, you could inject it several times per week, maintaining as even a blood level as you can, or you could inject a few grams once every few weeks. I guarantee the first method will result in much better gains
I split mine up into 5 doses, so that I have high concentrations from when I get up in the morning, till most of the way through the night
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damnit NS you made it easy for them you gave them the answer lol.. ;)
 
wnt2bBeast said:
damnit NS you made it easy for them you gave them the answer lol.. ;)
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Actually he didn't, if you look at another post on this very same subject much earlier, I explained the half life scenario to another member so it's something I already knew...Plus the half life is stated as 4-6 hours so it's not exact for we don't know exactly what the half life is down to the hour.

Now that you've gotten this going let's get deeper.... if the half life is 4-6 hours and I took 20mg at once that would mean that I would have 10mg of effective time for 4-6 hours let's say 8:00am...now if I was to break that up into 5mg that would mean that I would have 2.5mg of effective time for 4-6 hours again lets say 8:00am...(which would explain why those who have taken the full dosage experiece greater pumps). What is the effective dosage for optimal nitrogen retention? Who knows!....

Anyway, if I was to take another 5mg 4-6 hours later that would mean around 2:00pm-6:00pm I would have 3.75mg of effective time 1.25(previous dosage) + 2.5 (current dosage). And going back to the 20mg dosage, I would have 5mg of effective time between 2:00pm-6:00pm.

Now lets take another 5mg say around 7:00pm so I would have 3.10mg effective time between 8:00pm-12:00am (.65mg previous dosage + 2.5mg current dosage) vs 2.5mg from the 20mg taken 12 hours earlier(roughly .65mg difference oh yeah this will definitely make a big difference in the effectiveness)

I'm not going to go into the other dosage for I'm sure you get the point...It shows that for roughly 8-12 hours the 20mg dosage offer a higher blood concentration than the 5mg dosages and then 4-6 hours where there isn't a big difference in the blood levels. Is it enough to be significant in muscle gains? Only true research can show that, however it does make for a good arguement!
 
even just taken pre-workout, halo (best), methlytest (remember that one), or proviron can all provide a nice little CNS pick-up that will enhance training strength and intensity

given the other components of your cycle I see nothing wrong with this strategy
 
hammertime30 said:
Is this conclusion based on your experience or research? so far my results were better when taking 20mg at once than when currently taking 30mg at 10mg every 5-6 hours...Can you explain this? I'm not knocking splitting vs taking all at once, however preaching steady blood levels are best don't hold up being it's impossible to keep blood levels steady with dbol...yes you can increase the consentration level over the course of the day, but even then the blood levels are going to vary. So far more people are saying that their results were better when taking all at once then when splitting them up...which sounds like a good poll!!! Hint..Hint!
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Was this 20 mg by itself and first thing in the morning? If that was the case, you were not suppressing your htpa levels, thus you were getting the effects of adding a nice 200 mg shot of test cyp or enathate once a week.
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
Was this 20 mg by itself and first thing in the morning? If that was the case, you were not suppressing your htpa levels, thus you were getting the effects of adding a nice 200 mg shot of test cyp or enathate once a week.
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Didn't take morning shots only at 7:00pm 1.5 hours before training. And each time had test/eq in the system.
 
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wnt2bBeast said:
damnit NS you made it easy for them you gave them the answer lol.. ;)
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LOL, I was wondering about you Beast, I know you are very knowledgable.

I just think it would make more sense taking single dosages since blood concentration levels would be at its peak 1.5-3 hrs after administration. I know I would want to be in the gym at its peak.

Especially, taken earlier in the day, before training. This would allow enough daytime hrs for an androgen rich metabolism to heighten all of the nutrients after training.

This just makes more sense to me, be at the gym during its peak and allow the rest of the day to uptake my nutrients throughout the day.
 
needsize said:
all steroids cause growth through the same mechanism, increasing nitorogen retention. So keeping that in mind, would you grow better when increasing your body's ability to retain nitrogen over a few hours a day, as opposed to all of the day? The answer is obvious..... It doesnt matter how much you increase this ability for just a few hours, as you can only eat so much food in a 6 hour as opposed to 16 hour period
If you are pretty much a beginner, then you can grow taking shit pretty much any old way, but the more advanced you become, then taking things haphazardly wont cut it any more. Same with training, beginners make great gains doing pretty much anything, but an anvanced bodybuilder needs to put a whole lot more thought into the way they do things
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I re-read this NS, and I think it supports my theory by your explanation.

When taking single dosages of dbol early in the day, followed by training, you would have the rest of the day for increased nitrogen retention, due to the uptake of nutrients from a rich androgen metabolism.

I could see if you had very late training sessions and took a single dosage later on in the day.
 
2BIG4URMOM said:
I re-read this NS, and I think it supports my theory by your explanation.

When taking single dosages of dbol early in the day, followed by training, you would have the rest of the day for increased nitrogen retention, due to the uptake of nutrients from a rich androgen metabolism.

I could see if you had very late training sessions and took a single dosage later on in the day.
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I realize even after starting the poll that not many actually experiment to see what works best and also that it's not many that really know about AAS and is strictly going by hear-say...It's similar too all these fools who believe that carbs is the enemy and is reason for all the obesity in the world....We can go back and forth all day, however if no one is actually experimenting with various techiques, then who's to say what really works best.....so with that, I know that I got better gains from a single dosing episode at 20mg a day however I will never take over 20mg a day all at once due to the increased back pumps...At the current 30mg a day that I'm trying, I will take 15mg early in the day and another 15mg 1.5 hours before training being that I train at night.....Basically in this world all is to each it's own and what works for one doesn't necessarily works for the other....BBing isn't my life nor do I desire to look like a 265lb gorilla at only 5'9 so it's no need for me to get too technical about the subject being that I'm pretty much where I want to be and maintain already. Once I gain another 10-15lbs, I'm done with juicing being that I know how to maintain naturally unlike many others.
 
I read the responses on your poll and I have yet to see someone who has actually done any experiments, so of course they aren't going to know what results worked best.

Plus, most of the replies given had a misconseption on dbol, so either they aren't well informed, or they aren't on the gear.
 
2BIG4URMOM said:
I read the responses on your poll and I have yet to see someone who has actually done any experiments, so of course they aren't going to know what results worked best.

Plus, most of the replies given had a misconseption on dbol, so either they aren't well informed, or they aren't on the gear.
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Right, and by research that means one followed the EXACT same diet and routine for both cycles, used no other drug but dbol, and had the pills tested to ensure they were properly dosed.

This bullshit of "I stacked my 20 mg of thai pinks once a day, with 200 mg of deca a week, did HST training, and at 8000 calories a day and made better gains than my 30 mg of ttokyo by itself spread into 3 doses, using HIT training and 7000 calories a day" pisses of anyone who understands science. WHat you may have proven is that 8000 calories is more anabolic to YOU PERSONALLY than 7000 calories or that HST is superior to HIT training for people of your bodytype, and the dbol was not a factor, or that thai pinks have more real dbol in them than ttokyo dbols. If you change ANY variable you prove nothing.
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
Right, and by research that means one followed the EXACT same diet and routine for both cycles, used no other drug but dbol, and had the pills tested to ensure they were properly dosed.

This bullshit of "I stacked my 20 mg of thai pinks once a day, with 200 mg of deca a week, did HST training, and at 8000 calories a day and made better gains than my 30 mg of ttokyo by itself spread into 3 doses, using HIT training and 7000 calories a day" pisses of anyone who understands science. WHat you may have proven is that 8000 calories is more anabolic to YOU PERSONALLY than 7000 calories or that HST is superior to HIT training for people of your bodytype, and the dbol was not a factor, or that thai pinks have more real dbol in them than ttokyo dbols. If you change ANY variable you prove nothing.
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Definately bro!

I started to post my gains, cycles, etc. and then I realized that even I couldn't make an exact comparison due to many variables.

I do know how my pumps would feel, training gains, and hardness, etc. when splitting and single dosages.

I'm currently splitting, but after this cycle I'm going back to the single dosages.
 
I think some of you are putting way too much emphasis on high levels during your workout, why is that so important? Out of the 3 pieces to growing, training, sleeping and eating, training is the least important factor. I could care less about having a workout boost, I am way more concerned with getting as much as i can fromt he 8 meals a day that I force feed
 
needsize said:
I think some of you are putting way too much emphasis on high levels during your workout, why is that so important? Out of the 3 pieces to growing, training, sleeping and eating, training is the least important factor. I could care less about having a workout boost, I am way more concerned with getting as much as i can fromt he 8 meals a day that I force feed
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Right, I think we can say that training, rest and nutritional are all key elements to achieving muscle growth, and if any of the 3 falls short, your gains will be less than maximal.
 
needsize said:
I think some of you are putting way too much emphasis on high levels during your workout, why is that so important? Out of the 3 pieces to growing, training, sleeping and eating, training is the least important factor. I could care less about having a workout boost, I am way more concerned with getting as much as i can fromt he 8 meals a day that I force feed
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my point wasn't the hyped up pump during training but rather blood concentration levels are higher for a longer period of time with one dosage as opposed to splitting....Also the fact that too many are jumping on the band wagon about splitting when they never tried single dosing to have a comparison to live by....that's like hearing one guy say I gained 30lbs intaking 8,000 cals a day and having others follow without trying 3800 cals first and adjusting accordingly to see if it's necessary....I never jump on band wagons my knowledge is based on trial and error and seeing what truely works for me....Yes I like to read alot and if it makes sense then I may try it, but I may not if I feel that it's more to it then what someone is saying....and alot of fellas on here have no clue on really what works best, how long dbol stays in the system, what are the optimal levels required to get a good steady growth and so on....neither do I for that matter, but I'm a lot closer than most!
 
needsize said:
I think some of you are putting way too much emphasis on high levels during your workout, why is that so important? Out of the 3 pieces to growing, training, sleeping and eating, training is the least important factor. I could care less about having a workout boost, I am way more concerned with getting as much as i can fromt he 8 meals a day that I force feed
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The eating is a given, I eat every 3hrs.

I was implying by saying pumps by more blood level concentration peaks when it is needed. I also thought I made a good point about how taking single dosages early will impact an androgen rich metabolism to heighten nutrients throughout the day.

The eating, training and rest is a given, we all should already know this even before attempting any AAS.

I was hoping for more actual discussion on splitting vs single dosages.
 
needsize said:
I think some of you are putting way too much emphasis on high levels during your workout, why is that so important? Out of the 3 pieces to growing, training, sleeping and eating, training is the least important factor. I could care less about having a workout boost, I am way more concerned with getting as much as i can fromt he 8 meals a day that I force feed
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I'm in agreement with needsize's statement. It's common sense.

I feel that this particular issue is dosage dependant.

For the sake of the argument, Yes a single dosing schedule achieves a higher blood conentration. The bottom line is that a mulit dose schedule allows for the consistent blood concentrations. If you are taking 40 mgs, two 20 mg doses would work more effectively overall versus one 40 mg dose.

The problem is that 20 mgs is not that high of a dosage. That's what many users need a single dose of 20 mgs in order to satisfy themselves psychologically that their drugs are working. Just because you don't feel a major workout boost doesn't mean that your Dbol is not working. You have a major problem if you think that and especially if you think that's the only thing it does.

Jenetic
 
test-monkey said:
say your on a test-eq cycle and you want to add a steroid only on training day for a little boost what would be the best product? besides test suspension it would have to be an oral, what do you think would be the best steroid? I know some people are on a d-ball cycle at 30mg a day and on workout day they bump it up to 50mg what i'm saying is using the oral only prior to training time.
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The absolute only case where soemthing like this would make sense if you took cheque drops on your training days. Other than that it completely pointless and actually counterproductive since you would have inconsistent blood concentration levels.
 
Thanks Jenetic for posting, I always take heed in your advice.

I'm just trying to learn here so maybe you could give me some advice on which method would be safer.

As far as steroid researcher Bill Roberts, suggested taking single dosages over split. He also states that taking single dosages your steroid hormone levels would be less exaggerated since it has a lesser effect on the hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis.

I also meant to add that his reasoning for taking single dosages early in the day is that it will impact an androgen rich metabolism to heighten nutrients throughout the day.


I would like to hear your views on this, thanks bro.
 
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2BIG4URMOM said:
Thanks Jenetic for posting, I always take heed in your advice.

I'm just trying to learn here so maybe you could give me some advice on which method would be safer.

As far as steroid researcher Bill Roberts, suggested taking single dosages over split. He also states that taking single dosages your steroid hormone levels would be less exaggerated since it has a lesser effect on the hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis.

I also meant to add that his reasoning for taking single dosages early in the day is that it will impact an androgen rich metabolism to heighten nutrients throughout the day.


I would like to hear your views on this, thanks bro.
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Either way is fine but I would prefer a multiple split. Two dosings are sufficient.

The single dosing shedule in regards to your HPTA is based upon using Dbol only. Although the effect with one dose results in less of an impact, continual daily dosing still suppresses the HPTA. Therefore, you will need PCT regardless. Recpetor binding must occur in order for negative feedback to take place. The only way it would not have an impact on your HPTA is if it did not bind to the androgen receptor which would therefore render it useless.

Training and/or cardio in the morning has the same impact on your metabolism.

Jenetic
 
is this discussion now concluded? Needsize and Jenetic dropped the bomb!!
2big thats why we post and come here to learn..glad to see we can have an open discussion with disagreement yet it wasnt a flame fest!!
 
wnt2bBeast said:
is this discussion now concluded? Needsize and Jenetic dropped the bomb!!
2big thats why we post and come here to learn..glad to see we can have an open discussion with disagreement yet it wasnt a flame fest!!
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Yes, after all this is for the benifit of making a better us!

I'm always open to suggestion, especially from some of the vets here. I do like to experiment to find out what works best for me, sometimes I'm wrong, and sometimes I'm right.

Thanks everyone for this non-heated discussion! :)
 
just to shed a little more insight the main reason for a pre-workout dosing would be CNS stimulation rather than for any anabolic effect per se, its a fairly common practice actually
 
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