Steroids for life??

[PatBateman3]

Ok, here is one concept I've never scientifically been able to get my hands around. Everyone has a genetic limit. Suffice it to say, genetically, that most men 5'5 weren't meant to weigh 250lbs.

So I understand that gear can help you reach your natural limit in an accelerated manner. However, once you go over that limit, don't you have to basically cycle for life, lest the muscle turn to fat since your body was not meant to support a certain LBM over point X?? I cycled in college and then tried to go clean and no matter what I did, the muscle slowly went away and turned to hard (not soft, if that makes any sense) fat and tissue.

 

[x_con]

I have often wondered the same. Once you are past your limit i dont think any amount of eating and working out will keep you there for long. I know for me that I always seem to return to the same weight and strenght eventually unless I have some "help". But if you do 2 -4 cycles a year I think most can stay one step ahead of their genitics, however, never coming off would obviously be the best way to stay above ones genetic potenical. Great quote in your location by the way, what is that from?

 

[PatBateman3]

I have often wondered the same. Once you are past your limit i dont think any amount of eating and working out will keep you there for long. I know for me that I always seem to return to the same weight and strenght eventually unless I have some "help". But if you do 2 -4 cycles a year I think most can stay one step ahead of their genitics, however, never coming off would obviously be the best way to stay above ones genetic potenical. Great quote in your location by the way, what is that from?

Thanks man! Same movie from where my handle comes from, American Psycho. The book by Brett Easton Ellis is top-notch as well.

I like your info/point, but my one question/concern, at least for myself, is (1) do I really want to go through the maintenance, effort and routine of 2-4 cycles per year, especially since I am not a competitor and do it for the vanity alone, and (2) how healthy would 2-4 cycles per yer be in the long-term anyway?

 

[LVTitan]

i always get back down to 135-140 when i come off, never could stay above 140 natty..

 

[PatBateman3]

i always get back down to 135-140 when i come off, never could stay above 140 natty..

Ok, but how many cycles a year do you have to complete to stay where you want to be above 140? I guess truly it would depend on what your goal weight was, so that's kind of a stupid question, but just curious.

 

[x_con]

Thanks man! Same movie from where my handle comes from, American Psycho. The book by Brett Easton Ellis is top-notch as well.

I like your info/point, but my one question/concern, at least for myself, is (1) do I really want to go through the maintenance, effort and routine of 2-4 cycles per year, especially since I am not a competitor and do it for the vanity alone, and (2) how healthy would 2-4 cycles per yer be in the long-term anyway?

I know for myself I live this way first as a hobby and second out of vanity. For me thats enough. In the past I've had much more destructive hobbies so I figure at least now Im concerned with diet, exercise, and sleeping right. If I have to use gear to keep things changing enough to hold my interest then so be it. As far as health concerns go, I can only say so far so good for me. I guess its a personal choice we all have to make. By the way, I downloaded American Psycho a while back but never watched it, I have downloaded more movies than I could ever watch. But I'll deff check it out now. Weigh all your circumstances in life and Im sure you'll figure out what your willing to do.

 

[Triple J]

u r both right once over your limit you need to stay on, to maintain that size long-term. however there is some theories that claim your limit can be extended to some degree, with enough GH, roids, etc. which would allow you to be bigger once cleaned out than you would have ever been without the experiment

 

[fugetaboutit]

i always get back down to 135-140 when i come off, never could stay above 140 natty..

you're joking right? Are you really short?

 

[djsf]

My understanding is muscle doesn't "turn" to fat. They are chemically very different and my understanding is one does not convert to the other. You can have fat and muscle in independently varying amounts. Probably you lost muscle and gained fat, but you could lose the fat, leaving you with the original muscle, albeit smaller.

Various snippets from the internet:

"Myth: If you stop working out, muscle will turn into fat. Many people believe that if they stop working out, their muscle will turn into fat. Muscle and fat are two distinct tissues, however, and never can be converted from one to the other. If you stop exercising, muscle tissue will shrink, so you may feel flabbier. Also, when muscles get smaller, they do not need as many calories, so your metabolism slows. With a slower metabolism, if you eat the same amount of calories, you may gain body fat."

"Myth No. 2: muscle turns to fat when you don't exercise
For those who spend three or four days a week sweating through cardio and strength training, what happens to the muscle when you stop working out? Does it turn to fat?
Fitness guru Donna Richardson Joyner explained that this can't happen. "Muscle is muscle, fat is fat and you can't turn one into the other," she said.
It's a source of confusion for many, but there's no comparison deep inside the body. Dr Walter Thompson, a professor of exercise science at Georgia State University, said muscle is much denser then fat and is more compact.
He said that when you stop working out the muscle becomes a bit flabby and "non-functional", but does not turn into fat.
And if you're hoping for the opposite, sorry but exercise does not transform fat into muscle.
"You have to get rid of fat by doing cardio", said Lara Szymanski at The Sports Club in LA, "You have to build lean muscle and that's what you do by strength training."

Anyone have anything to say to the contrary?

 

[pushnpedl]

once you have exceeded your natural limit with gear, its just a struggle to see how long yo can keep the meat after cycles. The better pct and eating after cycle thelonger it stays. But you will lose some meat even after the water weight.

ps. calling it meat, i must be hungry