Steroids For General Fitness

[Sean Cuig]

Hello to all. I am rapidly approaching 40, and while my testosterone appears to be in the normal range, I just don't recover from exercise like I used to.

I'm considering using AAS, with the goal of enhanced recovery first and foremost. I do not desire much in terms of weight gain. The fact is that I derive most of my entertainment from playing (not watching) sports and I'm sick of being sore all the time

I'm considering the following:

Primobolan 100-200mgs/week
Anavar 10-20mgs daily

like I said, just want to be able to train more at various activities and recover quicker.

Any advice on the following topics will be greatly appreciated:

1. I don't expect anyone to tell me how to acquire these things, but how to avoid a scam would be nice.

2. What pre cycle tests should I get done? Anything besides the obvious (liver, BP, blood lipids, HDL/LDL)?

3. Do I need to add Finasteride at this dosage? I have VERY thick hair and I'd really like to keep it.

4. What PCT will be required at these low doses? I've read that Primo doesn't have much impact on the HPTA at this dosage. Does anyones experience hold this to be true?

5. What test should I get done after the cycle?

Yes I know there are manuals that explain this but they're geared to bodybuilding and larger doses.

 

[OMEGA]

"Normal" as defined by which Doc?

Test is best, try running 375 mgs a week

No DHT blockers
No Ai or use one lightly

Train Hard

full Panel including Free Test reading not just Test reading

 

[eClenbuterol]

agree with omega ,Test makes a great first cycle,Give enanthate or cypionate a try you'll be glad you did.

 

[OMEGA]

thanks Eclen

 

[Zyglamail]

There is a pretty big difference physically and mentally between being at "low normal" and "high normal" test levels. Whats your free testosterone and serum testosterone at? If your 40, healthy and athletic consider hrt/trt.

 

[OMEGA]

bingo

 

[Reinheart]

A low dose of test stacked with boldenone would also be a nice stack for you.

Anywhere from 250-400mgs of test is the thing you're looking for. Just so you know, testosterone is the basis of any stack. If you insist on primo, get some test prop and do 100mgs test prop and 100mgs primo every other day for 10 weeks.

Keep in mind though frequent injecting can be annoying to a new user and both test prop and primo are rather painfull injections.

If you shoot 250mgs testosterone enanthate or cypionate every 5 days, this would translate to about 350mgs per week. As you can see, this is your best option.

Regarding hair loss, if you have thick hair at your 40's, then you are hardly going to lose it, but primobolan and winstrol can accelarate the proceess just so you know.

 

[joe d]

hrt sounds like the right direction for you. if your going to run some test for health and get recovery back like when you where younger your going to want to run 100-200m ew. 300 will be to much.

 

[Reinheart]

hrt sounds like the right direction for you. if your going to run some test for health and get recovery back like when you where younger your going to want to run 100-200m ew. 300 will be to much.

If you only seek the healing properties of testosterone then yes, do not exceed 200-250mgs per week. Joe's right on that.

 

[soupeater]

#1 - Check out DrugsProfiles.com | Home for info and such. (sponsors as well)

#2 - also include free/total test levels (as Omega mentioned) check out needto's thread for more details http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/blood-work-what-look-638726.html

#5 - same as number 2 ideally

 

[Sean Cuig]

Thanks for the input.

I asked my source about minimum effective doses, and he suggested the following:

100mg Primo 50mgs Testosterone Propionate twice weekly for three weeks, then once weekly for four weeks.

He recommended against the anavar, because of liver toxicity. However, I was thinking of adding a small amount (10-20mg/day) because I already have it. I bought it because a friend kept raving about how great he feels on a mere 10mg/day

Keep in mind, Gentlemen, that I do not desire any weight gain, as it would be detrimental to my sports (cycling and MMA). I also seem to be rather sensitive to these meds because even the OTC prohormones I used reduced muscle soreness tremendously, and I was doing some heavy lifting.

Obviously, those are some very light doses but if it does the job...why swat flies with a sledge hammer?

I also have the luxury of dating a nurse, so I get to have my injections performed by a trained professional, lol.

So, I am going to give this light cycle a try, and I will post results.

Any advice on PCT ? I was planning to use some letrozole to kill some very mild gyno (from some crappy dirty 'prohormone') so I figured I'd just use it post cycle. I know that's not really the appropriate PCT but the fellas say it will pretty much destroy a very mild gyno like mine.

 

[wootoom]

No point in doing 100-200mg per week of Primo......there is no source talk also bro...i would stick to just Test for a first cycle man.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I have to disagree with the advice given so far.

If you want to test the waters and attempt to recover, primo is a great choice. Using test will make it very difficult to get your own T levels back at your age. TEST IS NOT A GREAT FIRST CYCLE. There, I said it. I know it's become a credo of sorts, but I believe it's wrong.

I'd suggest doing exactly what you intended, but following it with proper PCT. (Read the sticky about PCT for 2010. )

In time, you may want to consider HRT, but that is a very low dose of T -- 100 mgs a week. After which, you can still do a mild Primo cycle now and then.

 

[wootoom]

I have to disagree with the advice given so far.

If you want to test the waters and attempt to recover, primo is a great choice. Using test will make it very difficult to get your own T levels back at your age. TEST IS NOT A GREAT FIRST CYCLE. There, I said it. I know it's become a credo of sorts, but I believe it's wrong.

I'd suggest doing exactly what you intended, but following it with proper PCT. (Read the sticky about PCT for 2010. )

In time, you may want to consider HRT, but that is a very low dose of T -- 100 mgs a week. After which, you can still do a mild Primo cycle now and then.

Actually good point, i did a cycle of Anavar 60mg/ed for 12 weeks my first cycle...i agree on the dosages though..they are pretty low. What is your weight Sean?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Actually good point, i did a cycle of Anavar 60mg/ed for 12 weeks my first cycle...i agree on the dosages though..they are pretty low. What is your weight Sean?

Anavar is so damn weak, you need to get into liver stressing levels to get any results. 100mgs of primo, 50 mgs of test and 20 mgs of var is low, but if you train hard and eat and supplement correctly, you can make nice gains with minimal suppression.

 

[wootoom]

Anavar is so damn weak, you need to get into liver stressing levels to get any results. 100mgs of primo, 50 mgs of test and 20 mgs of var is low, but if you train hard and eat and supplement correctly, you can make nice gains with minimal suppression.

I got my base from anavar...no joke....one of the best cycles i ever did for gains..

 

[trinitybc]

I am in a very similar situation and went for all my tests, best thing I could do. I am thinking of now just going on the 250mg week Test cyp.

 

[Sean Cuig]

Started 20 mgs per diem oxandralone Aug 30

after 4 days I took a very hard fall and bent my thumb back to my wrist. I recovered extremely quickly. Very impressed with the effect

added 100mgs Primo and 50 mgs test prop on Sep 12

I feel great recovery very good. I'm doing LOTS of cardio. 8 hrs/week.

I weigh about 170. Trying to keep it there.

 

[Sean Cuig]

Well, I took my last shot a week ago.

In summary:

I think most people here are talking crazy when it comes to dosages.

With 100mgs testosterone propionate, 200mgs primobolan enanthate, and 140mgs anavar a week I was way too juiced. Turns out it was the anavar; it makes me very, very hyperactive. Once I cut it, the test/primo was very nice. However, two weeks in I got the dreaded shutdown.

Not too worried about it, I haven't even started the pct but I already feel it's coming back.

I've got clomid, arimidex tamoxifen and cabergoline for pct.

As for results: I gained a solid seven pounds doing endurance work. It was muscle I've had before, but I'm still impressed.

I do not feel my performance was particularly enhaced, but recovery certainly was. After a two hour trail ride I'd feel GREAT...and that's exactly what I was after.

I think real anavar (mine was Unigen Life Sciences brand) is extremely strong stuff. Especialy good for recovery.

However, my next cycle will prolly be Primo @ 200-400mgs a week. No test.

I don't mind the shutdown, either, I'm going to go get tested so I can get a prescrption.

All in all, if you're considering HRT or safer steroids like anavar and primofor anti aging, go for it, it works.

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

At 40 and self medicating I would probably just shoot sustanon 250 once a week and if I could afford it like 2 iu gh every day with the weekends off.