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Steroids for endurance training (bicycling)

Hey Downey, I am 4th week into my GW, osta,S4 and Albuterol and still have 4 more week to go, the result on my performance so far are very small and still have 4 more weeks to go. My question is after my Cycle I'm going to take a month of and when do you think I can start test pro, EQ and winny tabs? Or you think I should wait until the off season.
 
Lets get this post going again... its awesome!

Downey are you still around?? Or for anyone who knows, i am about to start this cycle:

Ok heres my 6 wk cycle breakdown I am about to begin in 2 weeks
Wk 1-6
Helladrol l 50/75/75/100/100/125
Katana 2 maybe 3 caps daily as recommended on package (will take Helladrol solo for first 2 wks and then begin to add in Katana at beginning of wk 3)
HCGenerate 5 caps daily as recommended on package
N2guard 7 caps daily as recommended on package
Liv52
PCT wk 7-10
test Infusion 3 caps 2X per day
Forged methyl EAA
Unleashed
Formastanozol Yep. 5 pumps am and 5pumps pm for 4 weeks then 3 pumps am and 3 pumps pm for 2 weeks.
Maybe…. OSTA (recommended)

Wk 11-16
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D spark
GW-50 stacked w/ Albuterol (EF people say they love this stack for endurance)


Now I know this is all legal stuff but concerning your standard urine military test.. would I come up clean at any time in this cycle since its all legal? or how long until all this is out of my system and I completely piss clean? I need to know for a military urine test... the more specific info the better.
 
Lets get this post going again... its awesome!

Downey are you still around?? Or for anyone who knows, i am about to start this cycle:

Ok heres my 6 wk cycle breakdown I am about to begin in 2 weeks
Wk 1-6
Helladrol l 50/75/75/100/100/125
Katana 2 maybe 3 caps daily as recommended on package (will take Helladrol solo for first 2 wks and then begin to add in Katana at beginning of wk 3)
HCGenerate 5 caps daily as recommended on package
N2guard 7 caps daily as recommended on package
Liv52
PCT wk 7-10
test Infusion 3 caps 2X per day
Forged methyl EAA
Unleashed
Formastanozol Yep. 5 pumps am and 5pumps pm for 4 weeks then 3 pumps am and 3 pumps pm for 2 weeks.
Maybe…. OSTA (recommended)

Wk 11-16
Bridge
D spark
GW-50 stacked w/ Albuterol (EF people say they love this stack for endurance)


Now I know this is all legal stuff but concerning your standard urine military test.. would I come up clean at any time in this cycle since its all legal? or how long until all this is out of my system and I completely piss clean? I need to know for a military urine test... the more specific info the better.

There is a test for almost all types of SARMs now but they are very specific and most tests do not pick them up. Generally reserved for Olympic athletes and such.

Don't quote me, but I haven't heard that military tests test for it so I wouldn't worry about it. That's the only one that would cause any concern and since it isn't illegal I think youll be okay
 
Okay so the last FTP for my age was in the 4.0 watts per Kilo and this time around I am at 4.1 watts per kilo - same weight but with half the volume.
I don't know what your age is, but if your only hitting 4.1 and you are on all that juice you might want to spend more time thinking about your actual bike workouts than peds.

Very interesting discussion in this thread.
 
Alright, I have had enough of all this bad advice for endurance atheletes, so this is the deal, blast all you want. However if your running or biking even to a certain extent swimming your goals should be the following in the proper order. RECOVERY, so you can train more; BUILD LEAN MUSCLE, but lose more fat; therefore stay at the same body weight but getting stronger. Lastly but important, however the third most important, increase your LT/Vo2/FTP max through increased Hgb/RBC. Everyone thinks "take EPO and you'll be a champ." Wrong. EPO is the icing on the cake but far from the cake itslelf.

I have been a pro-semi pro and now a national level coach since the 80's. I still compete in 30 odd races a year, all year in cycling upto and incuding MTB, Road, Track and Cross. I'll do tri's and some shorter runs for the fun of it locally.

For your best bang for the buck and to prevent testing positive, your bag should contain the following: Clen/Albuterol, Test P, EPO and if you can afford HGH.

For endurance Test P cycles, why??? Short ester that leaves your system fast and gives you a return on your investment quickly. If you don't like pins, then don't do drugs, its that simple, so figure it out or FO becasue your clearly not a serious cheat, which is fine, good on ya!

You should not use more than 150 per week tops - 100 is perfect every week and shoot subq. YES SUBQ through a slin pin 4 times per week at 25units per (assuming your Test P is 100 per 100ml). Run this all season if you like and or cherry pick for your peaks. If your hitting the spring season kick in mid Jan and run till late March and so on. 10-12 weeks is fine, shorter and or longer is fine also. With this sides will be basically nonexistent and water and estro, very low if at all. You'll train and sleep better, thus hit it harder. You'll need all 4-5 of your PCT supplies on hand. Do your research on this, however you really won't need much if anything. Liquid Ardex is a good "just in case" to have on hand as well as your clomid, nova, letro, Hcg, etc. If you want to do more than 100 per week, you really need to understand your estro and PCT options well in advance cuz water will hinder you and you'll be better off without your AS if you don't get how to cycle off or get into a pinch and need to deal with an estro issue.

Clen/Albut/Salbut/Ventolin: great stuff use for 2 weeks at a time then break for 2 weeks then continue, this will help you train (breath and lose fat, as well as muscle so be careful and do your reading). Don't race on this stuff unless your experienced, use coffee if you need a boost race day. If tested your out for 2 years unless you have a script. Clen will raise BP, so be sure you have a home BP monitor. Check every other day while on cycle. If your over 144/68 or so, your done taking these.

If you want to run orals on this you can, however light, 10-20mg of Var, or you could use Primo or Winny too, one pill morning, one evening. You should not feel your joints or your cramping at this dose, if you do, stop.
Master, good also. However you'll test positive so stay away as this stays in your system way too long. With Test P and orals you can stop your shots/pills 3-4 days prior and piss clean. If you can afford Adrioli or test gels, go for it. Rub the gels on your feet or nuts. Gels are good, but hide from your trainning mates as they want some too.

HGH: take this all year if you can afford and or during the holiday season to control fat and weight gain. At 2-3iu per day you will stay very close to your race weight and thus kick start your early season and as a result have more power to weight ratio's than your fatter trainning buddies. If you can afford more, go for it. Take a 2-3iu shot 1 time per day then 4-6 weeks from a race up your dose to 2.5 per shot twice a day and if your really going for it, up to 8iu per day shot at 4iu twice or even better 3 times. Do your reading on this, but it works however you got to be on top of it and stick with the program.

Now, for the kicker: EPO. EPO is not dangerous if you understand how to take it. You will need a home Hgb tester and a good one, spend at least $1000. Prior to starting get your Hgb tested from a lab. For most healthy people, runnning the average Hgb of around 144-148 you can take no more than 40,000 iu over 6 weeks then stop. Shoot subq at 2-3000iu per injection, that will send your crit to around the 50-51 level so high 167-173Hgb range. This is plenty for racing and will give you a 5-11% gain on the wheel beside you.

Run this for 6 weeks, stop taking 1 week prior to your event to leave your system. Stay away from super EPO like CERA, stays in your system forever (well upto 6 weeks). Everyone is different however this is a good safe base for a healthy person eating well and trainning 12 hours plus per week, if less, use less. Use your Hgb tester every other day and stop when you get two readings of over 170 Hgb. At this point your system is ready to train hard and race. Remember, the most important factor of taking PEDs. It is better to train on them, then to race on them.

EQ, all good but you will want to eat everything in the fridge and get fat, this is bad, remember every 10lbs is an extra 15 watts per second you need to generate. If your doing an all out sprint, there is your win and or could be yards on a long climb or gettting dropped in a break.

As for vits and other supplements, go for it. However a good multivitamin with 15mg of iron is usually good. Take with food and twice a day if you feel you need it mentally. Take your liver support with your orals other than Andrioli, regardless Milk T. is fine anytime although a bit expensive. Let me know if you have any questions and good luck with the season.

Peparing for IM triathlons


I have some technical question the insulin pin what kind of gouge size do you use 25 29 or 30

Winni to be used in addition to Test P or seperate i.e. 12 w test p 3 w winni then PCT

Clen the 2 weeks on off cycle right up to the A event. Can I substitute Clen with Epfhe i.e. 2 w Clen 2w off 2w Ephe etc...

What is the best time to taper off with all the staff before my A event

Epo the whole year or only a specific period and if the later timing.

thanks for sharing your knowledge

Marco
 
Peparing for IM triathlons


I have some technical question the insulin pin what kind of gouge size do you use 25 29 or 30

Winni to be used in addition to Test P or seperate i.e. 12 w test p 3 w winni then PCT

Clen the 2 weeks on off cycle right up to the A event. Can I substitute Clen with Epfhe i.e. 2 w Clen 2w off 2w Ephe etc...

What is the best time to taper off with all the staff before my A event

Epo the whole year or only a specific period and if the later timing.

thanks for sharing your knowledge

Marco

Winny and clen for endurance? Not everyone has joint problems with winny, but a lot of people do. Not really something you'd want as a tri-athlete but that's your choice. The worst advice was clen. Clen is a horrible idea for someone who is keeping their heart rate up for that long

I'd opt for a sarms stack. You can greatly increase your endurance and fat loss with GW-50156 and build a few pounds of lean muscle with S4 and Ostarine. This is a perfect stack for endurance athletes. Check out Sarms1
 
Winny and clen for endurance? Not everyone has joint problems with winny, but a lot of people do. Not really something you'd want as a tri-athlete but that's your choice. The worst advice was clen. Clen is a horrible idea for someone who is keeping their heart rate up for that long

I'd opt for a sarms stack. You can greatly increase your endurance and fat loss with GW-50156 and build a few pounds of lean muscle with S4 and Ostarine. This is a perfect stack for endurance athletes. Check out Sarms1

Agreed completely. GW is incredible for endurance, and mixed with some Ostarine you get a very nice anabolic effect
 
winni for cycling is bad (for most) as your hips, knees, and ankles will actually feel like they are on fire (and you are doing damage)

everything listed is detectable so if you are subject to off-season testing better see a doc that specializes in these issues--you should be able to find one as anyone from Cat 2 on up and any Master's will know.

If you have a biocard and do not live and train at altitude the test prop (or any androgen) alone will put you over 50 haematocrit and thus DQ you from the start and probably trigger a full blown investigation.

The only trick you can use is an alter with multiple licenses (for off season/non team events/out of your geo area)--and if you end up high profile that goes out the window also. If you do, don't pay with the same credit card as someone I know did (idiot).
 
Don't use any pro hormone as no one really knows the detection time. Test suspension will cripple you with pain and therefore negatively effect performance. Would say eq but the detection time is 5 months. Ideal cycle would be test prop at 200 mg per week (eod injections) and as many others said EPO ! Make sure your monitoring you crit levels though. HGH is also good at 2ius a day, don't go above that. Anavar could be used at low doses for the recovery benefits, with good quality var I'd say go as low as 20-30 mg a day. Anavar will clear in 3 weeks.

Good luck bro :)
 
Regarding what others have said about sarms if you choose to use them be careful as no one has a guaranteed detection time !
 
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