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The Man Child

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I've been doing a lot of thought on this topic and wanted to share what I've come up with. I'm a collegiate athlete with experience with most performnace enhancers and here's what I've gathered. I know my opinions may not be true for the strong man or bodybuilder, but for the well rounded "athlete", this information could be beneficial.

Sustenon: Great muslce builder, regardless of what people say, Test is Best. Long detection time due to esters attached. May be a problem when drug tested...

Deca: Great for joints, overall good muscle builder. 2Thick's favorite! 12 to 18 month long detection time, if you have balls to take it, then by all means, its great for athletes and the phyical beatings we take. As for me, its a no no...

EQ: Once again, comparable to Deca in gains, I did well on it, made me "hard". Put on good amount of weight due to increased appetite. 5+month detection time. You could take it, but if you're competitive athlete, it might not be for you...

Test Prop: My FAVORITE steroid! Gives me solid muslce, strength, no bloat, no sides. I give it an A+. Low detection time of 1-2 weeks...

Anavar: High priced, but highly effective. If you have the cash flow I highly recommed it! Better than winstrol as far as gains in strength vs. side effects. Low detection time of about 3 weeks...

Winstrol: I feel its overrated. Sure it will work, but all steroids will work. From my experience with it, you're better off taking something else and saving your money. Made my joints sore, didn't feel good while training ie: plyo; running; lifting...

Dbol: Great gains in strength and weight. Will I use it again? probably not. The sides were far greater than the net gain of the product. I had severe lower back pains, even while supplements cranberry extract and milk thistle, w/gallons of water. Great drug for the gym rat, bodybuilder, powerlifter, etc...but for the athlete that needs mobility more than anything, I think it's a mistake. If taken with Arimidex the sides will be reduced, no doubt about it, and the detection time is relatively low for drug tests. But once again, I don't think its taylored to athletes...

Anadrol: See Dbol, except it increases red blood cells which can help an athlete get more oxygen into the blood, very useful! but once again -- see dbol

Fina: Although I can't speak from experience, it could be right up there with Test Prop as being a great drug for the athlete. Debate is still out on whether or not it has a long detection time or not. I believe it's no longer than 5 weeks, hence the ED or EOD injections! Great for strength, the hard/dense look. Won't bloat you, and from what I've seen won't effect hard training workouts. I'm looking forward to using it, and seeing what all the hype is about...

Turinabol: Haven't used it myself, although it is the infamous drug Ben Johnson was supplementing while training for the Olympics. Although he was busted for Winny, he was faithful to oral Turinabol. About 1 week detection time. Excellent for athletes! Hard to come by, but if you can get some legit tabs, but them up...


Side Note: Clomid, Arimidex, Femara, Nolvadex, etc... should be used with highly androgenic compounds to help prevent extreme bloat. Athletes are better off training with less bloat. I know from experience how hard it is to condition with excess bloat.

Supplements: Multivitamin/Mineral, Whey Protein, Creatine is also great for the athlete...


As I've stated in this post, these are my opinions on drugs I've tried or will be trying and have researched extensively. I'm not saying you should follow my lead, but I'm saying you should give what I have to say some thought if you're an athlete.

How I could help.
 
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Be careful with prop. It's detection time can be as long as 3 weeks.

As far as fina I am with you about the 5 weeks but I have seen articles stating 5 months.

And the most obvious choice for tested atheletes you left out all together.

Testosterone suspended in water. It is completely undistinquishable from our natural testosterone. And given its short half life a personals natural test/E ration should get back in line relatively quick.

Nautica
 
Damn, I knew I left one off :) Thanks nautica!

Test Suspension is great for the athlete, but make sure you have an antiestrogen on you. It spikes relatively quickly. My buddy does two injections daily to help solve this problem. Never has any adverse sides from doing it that way!

I think detection time has a lot to do with doses, just as much as half life, esters, etc...

Example: It's obvious that if you do a cycle of 1000mg of Sustenon for 8 weeks that it will take longer for your levels to return back to normal than if you were to do 250mg of Sustonon for 8 weeks. Just common sense...
 
Very true Manchild.

When I use suspension, I shoot 4 times a day.

you are also correct about the duration of time to stay on. To me, if the theory of short cycleing is correct. Then one could stay on for 2 weeks, get off for three. and also be within the ball park of normal t/e ratios. And if one got caught in the middle of the 2 week cycle, while on supsension. He could very quickly get his results in line. And maybe even dilute his urine to where it is untestable and buy himself another day before the retest.

Nautica
 
this isn't a true steroid but just as helpful for some athletes who want advanced erythropoisis, B complex, or in other words b injectibles. They make you body produce more red blood cells, great for most athletes , but in comparison to steroids it is very mild. Steroids are the best, don't forget clen...
 
Lord_Suston said:
this isn't a true steroid but just as helpful for some athletes who want advanced erythropoisis, B complex, or in other words b injectibles. They make you body produce more red blood cells, great for most athletes , but in comparison to steroids it is very mild. Steroids are the best, don't forget clen...
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True.

Clen has a 4 day clearance time.

Nautica
 
good post bro....as i to am a collegiate athlete...i def agree with you on the prop...best test to take to keep lean and evade those damn AS tests...anavar is def a great choice as well...i often take that during season..and plan it out so im off about 3-4weeks b4 testing...we get the inside scoop when we get tested...but you def need to try fina...its great...the strenght gains are awesome....g...
 
The Man Child said:
I've been doing a lot of thought on this topic and wanted to share what I've come up with. I'm a collegiate athlete with experience with most performnace enhancers and here's what I've gathered. I know my opinions may not be true for the strong man or bodybuilder, but for the well rounded "athlete", this information could be beneficial.

Sustenon: Great muslce builder, regardless of what people say, Test is Best. Long detection time due to esters attached. May be a problem when drug tested...

Deca: Great for joints, overall good muscle builder. 2Thick's favorite! 12 to 18 month long detection time, if you have balls to take it, then by all means, its great for athletes and the phyical beatings we take. As for me, its a no no...

EQ: Once again, comparable to Deca in gains, I did well on it, made me "hard". Put on good amount of weight due to increased appetite. 5+month detection time. You could take it, but if you're competitive athlete, it might not be for you...

Test Prop: My FAVORITE steroid! Gives me solid muslce, strength, no bloat, no sides. I give it an A+. Low detection time of 1-2 weeks...

Anavar: High priced, but highly effective. If you have the cash flow I highly recommed it! Better than winstrol as far as gains in strength vs. side effects. Low detection time of about 3 weeks...

Winstrol: I feel its overrated. Sure it will work, but all steroids will work. From my experience with it

Good points. Only one further thing to post.

Normal epi-testosterone:testosterone ratio is 6:1
Anyhting higher and you test positive. That is when
they test you for METABOLITES.

When your ratio is VERY LOW i.e you're using
progestins. They will test for progestins and nail you
bacause of Deca.

However, FINA DOES not cause a huge imbalance because
it is VERY short acting. In 1 week your ratio could be
1:1 or even 2:1 after cessation of the Fina,which woud then
render the steroid undetectable.
And, since it has NO PROGESTENIC metabolites you don't
have the tell-tale deca signature.

You'd have to be VERY, VERY sharp to catch somebody
using trenbolone.

Fonz
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What do progestins have to do with your ept/test ratio?

BTW: Thanks, much needed help on the fina FONZ!!! Needless to say, I'm going to use it now!
 
FONZ

I understand what you are saying about fina, but would the metabolites still not be in the system for up to 5 weeks as stated in most articles.

also, with test suspension. Given it is even faster than fina. Would your ratios not get in line even quicker??

Thanks
Nautica
 
so tren is pretty good eh? I can't find a profile of it anywhere...what's is androgenic effects. Water weight is a big no no for me. I can't imagine that it's one of the heavy androgens if a 100 meter sprinter was using it. Also...what about Primo...how does that go with balistic training (olympic lifts, plyos, etc...)

If any of y'all know of a link with some good tren info please share the love...most of the stuff that came up on the search was useless crap (mostly about ben johnson)

1 week detection time eh? That sounds nice...real fuckin nice...I wonder if that can be brought down even further.
 
steroids for atletes

I ask to MANCHILD what do you think about ANDRIOL, is it good
for atletes, and the detection time. Thank you
 
nautica said:
Very true Manchild.

When I use suspension, I shoot 4 times a day.

you are also correct about the duration of time to stay on. To me, if the theory of short cycleing is correct. Then one could stay on for 2 weeks, get off for three. and also be within the ball park of normal t/e ratios. And if one got caught in the middle of the 2 week cycle, while on supsension. He could very quickly get his results in line. And maybe even dilute his urine to where it is untestable and buy himself another day before the retest.

Nautica
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Why the hell didnt they give you a mod position Nautica? You always give solid advice without no smart-ass BS, unlike somebody else they just made a MOD, im not nameing names though.
 
Sometimes you wonder about these testing procedures.

Using the right amounts of test prop or suspension, could you not theoretically elevate your level of testosterone even during a competition, just as long as you didn't test over the ratio?

You could get away with that, probably, but what if they just did a scan of your whole body for needle marks? Busted!
 
Re: steroids for atletes

manolo said:
I ask to MANCHILD what do you think about ANDRIOL, is it good
for atletes, and the detection time. Thank you
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I am not manchild but will respond anyway.

Andriol is testosterone undeconate with a clearance time of 1 week.

In low doses it should keep your t/e ratios in line also.

The problem with andriol is that when taken most of the test is destroyed in the digestive tract.

The other problem is that it is very unstable and most is useless by the time it reaches the user.

Nautica
 
gtaman said:
Sometimes you wonder about these testing procedures.

Using the right amounts of test prop or suspension, could you not theoretically elevate your level of testosterone even during a competition, just as long as you didn't test over the ratio?

You could get away with that, probably, but what if they just did a scan of your whole body for needle marks? Busted!
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With suspension or oral masteron one could elevate test levels during a competions, as both are extremely fast acting. This is done by lots of power lifters. The oral mast was the choice of the east germans, back when they were on top.

As far as the needle marks. You were only using B-12.

Nautica

btw - thanks madmax.
 
How about Proviron? It's a weak roid, but it does harden muscles however I don't know about the detection time and if it would help an athlete.
 
Thanks for the help Nautica while I haven't been on Elite for a few hours...

Andriol to put it simply sucks. You're better off going to GNC and getting commecial supplements. They are sure to give you better gains than Andriol.

Clen: I don't see this as a real "performance enhancer" although I understand it is prohibited. Its not going to give you an edge over your opponents.

Oral Masteron: If we're talking about IP's correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it just DHT? Go ahead and use it (if you like IP), but I'm steering clear of his stuff.


And just something for thought to the athletes...Don't put Diesil in your Ferrari. What I mean by that is, don't buy cheap drugs when quality human grade steroids are available. You'll reap the benefits later.
 
I'm an athelete who live or dies by cardio. Off season, I cycle like everyone else on the board. During season, Anavar40ed/Winny50ed is fine for me. Keeps weight on and keeps my strength. Will be using Prope/EQ/Anavar for my next season cycle
 
The Man Child said:
Thanks for the help Nautica while I haven't been on Elite for a few hours...

Andriol to put it simply sucks. You're better off going to GNC and getting commecial supplements. They are sure to give you better gains than Andriol.

Clen: I don't see this as a real "performance enhancer" although I understand it is prohibited. Its not going to give you an edge over your opponents.

Oral Masteron: If we're talking about IP's correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it just DHT? Go ahead and use it (if you like IP), but I'm steering clear of his stuff.


And just something for thought to the athletes...Don't put Diesil in your Ferrari. What I mean by that is, don't buy cheap drugs when quality human grade steroids are available. You'll reap the benefits later.
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Well, some not so well known Pro-secrets. Thats ATHLETES not BB'ers.

3 Choices really:

1. Test Suspension: as much pain as you can stand really.

This is the interesting part. Your sports governing body HAS
TO GIVE YOU ONE DAY notice before a test.
So, if you don't get this notice on Thursday, you will not
bet tested until Monday.
So, on Friday, inj. as much test.susp. as you can possibly
endure. I've seen guys pump in 1200mg in one day w/
copious amounts of lidocaine thrown in.

2. Masteron. INJECTABLE only. Oral masteron is
less not as predictable due to the nature of the
pill formation process.. Up to 1 week before comp.
If used during comp. you're taking a serious risk.

And the NEW BEST AAS.

3. TRENBOLONE SUSPENSION!!!!

Instead of getting Finaplix-H, get a hold of trenbolone
powder(un-estered), and convert it into a
water-based injectable. Makes test. suspension
look like an ant.
Can actually be used DURING a comp because
EPT:ET ratios remain < 6:1 and > 1:1.
However, it takes time to see with what dosage
you can get away with.


Fonz
 
Very good info fonz, but availability for that stuff may be hard for some athletes on the boards. I'm sure it there if you look hard enough...
 
good posts, bros....

any of you fellas have any experience with GH for strength and recovery, without added mass? what should be the minimum age, etc.....

it would be cool to know what the cycle of lighter weight-class olympic weightlifiters is like.
 
Fonz, I should have made myself clear on oral masteron. It should be snorted in order for it to get in and out of the body quickly.

This was used by the East Germans back in the day. They would use it the day of the competition and their levels would be fine the next day.

One question about the Fina, though. I understand about the 6:1 ratio being fine. But would the metabolites still be in the body. I also understand that they usually do not test for metabolites unless you are over the 6:1 ratio but if they did would one test positive if it is within the 5 weeks as stated in most articles.


Thanks Fonz,

And bros. lets keep this one bumped. I get 5-10 emails daily from people needing help with testing. This post will be very helpful and we can all learn from it.

One other we need to discuss is the use of epitest or birthcontrol pills, in order to get you level in line. They also test to make sure ones level of epitest is below 200. How many birth control pills could be taken and still remain under this amount.

Nautica
 
I can't speak from experience, but HGH doesn't do much for performance enhancement. It's great for weight loss, and is used by bodybuilders for precontest purposes.
 
Fonz said:

And the NEW BEST AAS.

3. TRENBOLONE SUSPENSION!!!!

Instead of getting Finaplix-H, get a hold of trenbolone
powder(un-estered), and convert it into a
water-based injectable. Makes test. suspension
look like an ant.
Can actually be used DURING a comp because
EPT:ET ratios remain < 6:1 and > 1:1.
However, it takes time to see with what dosage
you can get away with.


Fonz
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Hey Fonz,

I would love to bang some tren, but can't afford the wait time that most detection charts suggest. Can you cite anything that backs up those EPT:ET ratios? Also, this sounds like a blue sky drug that us mortals will never have access to. I'm curious how it's feasible for an individual to get trenbolone powder.

NYStrip
 
NYStrip said:


Hey Fonz,

I would love to bang some tren, but can't afford the wait time that most detection charts suggest. Can you cite anything that backs up those EPT:ET ratios? Also, this sounds like a blue sky drug that us mortals will never have access to. I'm curious how it's feasible for an individual to get trenbolone powder.

NYStrip
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NYStrip, I don't have any studies about the t/e ratios, but Fonz knows his shit and I trust him. Everything I have seen on it backs up his theory also. But, what worries me is the metabolites of the drug. But if it were suspended in water. That would have to work. I am also curious about the access to it.

Nautica
 
Fonz said:



This is the interesting part. Your sports governing body HAS
TO GIVE YOU ONE DAY notice before a test.
So, if you don't get this notice on Thursday, you will not
bet tested until Monday.
So, on Friday, inj. as much test.susp. as you can possibly
endure. I've seen guys pump in 1200mg in one day w/
copious amounts of lidocaine thrown in.



Fonz
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Hey fonz
This isn't true. Maybe the NCAA has to give you one day notice, but american IOC officials will show up at a practice with a RV testing lab and a bucket full of gatorade and just grab a bunch of athletes and test them. It happens all the time. Trust me when I say that these guys also work weekends. Some athletes (higher profile ones) can actually have IOC officials come to there house. If for some reason your not arround, or you weren't at the practice where they tested other athletes, that send a red flag, and you can be sure that you'll be tested more than the average athlete in the comming months. Each countries IOC officials are different with the US being the worst by far. European athletes have it much easier. Bastards...
 
Tren doesn't have progestin in it that sticks around in your body the way Deca and EQ has. 5 weeks max is what the fellas around here have calculated. And I'm backing them too!
 
nautica said:


NYStrip, I don't have any studies about the t/e ratios, but Fonz knows his shit and I trust him. Everything I have seen on it backs up his theory also. But, what worries me is the metabolites of the drug. But if it were suspended in water. That would have to work. I am also curious about the access to it.

Nautica
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Believe me, I always get something out of Fonz's posts. But how many of us are truly subject to drug testing? For those of us who are, we need to be as discriminating about the information floating around as possible, because making a mistake could be disastrous.

Also, I don't understand what the relationship is between metabolites and suspension in water. Except for slower absorption, why not mix plain tren powder with oil? Water based anything sucks to administer.
 
yeah, water based stuff always gets clogged, it's terrible...

I have no idea what suspending powder in water has to do with detection time vs. oil...sorry

But I agree this should be bumped because I know of alot of bros that asked these questions including myself. Do we really want to be stuck using suspension and prop exclusively while we compete at high levels? I sure don't. That is why we need to share the knowledge on these thing.

Not to mention this post was intended to help athletes maximize their results as best as possible. Most of us, myself included, have been guilty at looking at other peoples cycles and trying them out for ourselves...well lets face it guys, our goals are not like most people on this board.
 
The Man Child said:
yeah, water based stuff always gets clogged, it's terrible...

I have no idea what suspending powder in water has to do with detection time vs. oil...sorry

But I agree this should be bumped because I know of alot of bros that asked these questions including myself. Do we really want to be stuck using suspension and prop exclusively while we compete at high levels? I sure don't. That is why we need to share the knowledge on these thing.

Not to mention this post was intended to help athletes maximize their results as best as possible. Most of us, myself included, have been guilty at looking at other peoples cycles and trying them out for ourselves...well lets face it guys, our goals are not like most people on this board.
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Bump that. I want fast recovery, I want to be able to snatch a grand piano, I want to be able to jump five feet in the air, I want a shot to come off my neck like it's being shot out of a cannon. However this kind of training makes my physique look, that's how it will be.
 
I'm an olympic lifter and I spoke with a guy who trained with the Bulgarians for 6 months. He told me they take low dosages of bionabol for 5 weeks along with 1 testolent per day during this period. So, to sum it up they are clean weeks 1-4, use weeks 5-9, and clean up for a meet weeks 10-12. He also told me that some will take a lot more than others, like Tanev, who took 5 testolents per day during the 5 week period. That's a lot of test for a 77kg guy who jerks 205kg.
 
Nico Cujo said:
I'm an olympic lifter and I spoke with a guy who trained with the Bulgarians for 6 months. He told me they take low dosages of bionabol for 5 weeks along with 1 testolent per day during this period. So, to sum it up they are clean weeks 1-4, use weeks 5-9, and clean up for a meet weeks 10-12. He also told me that some will take a lot more than others, like Tanev, who took 5 testolents per day during the 5 week period. That's a lot of test for a 77kg guy who jerks 205kg.
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That's 5 kilos off the wr. Tanev hasn't actually done that in a meet, has he?

So sometime soon after week 12 they did a meet? 2 weeks to clean out the dbol and testolent. Hmmm...
 
jus finished my college track carear, and god i wish i knew about all this before i began competing. Would have been close to world class. Man child, you run track?
 
Low dose bio's to him was only 2 per day. They take the gear mainly for recuperation from the 3 times per day training on M-W-F and the 2 times per day training on Tu-Th-Sa and single sessions on Sunday. And yes Tanev actually jerked 205 in comp. But the killer is this. Vanev (77kg) cleaned 210kg 5 times in one training session but missed the jerk each time. That's above the world record and that's after snatching. That was done 2 weeks prior to the '98 world champs. And Jeliazkov (69) snaytched 172.5kg in training when the record was only 160kg. I have a lot of these lifts on video and they're awesome for motivation before a workout. Are you guys olympic lifters?
 
Hehe....I lived in Romania for 4 years and trained with some
of the Romanian, Bulgarian and trkish powerlifters at their
Stadium Nationale. The actual gym is shit but its about as
hard-core as they'd come. I attribute my strength from
the 3+ years trained there. You didn't give 110%
you were asked to leave. That simple. No pussies
allowed in this gym. A definate mental-check after
having trained in the soft canadian gyms.(No disrespect
intended but its hard to concentrate when people
are talking and just walking around doing nothing)
One guy(3X world champ)Souleymagougle*Could never
spell his damned name....LOL) squatted 4X+ his
weight in pounds, and if you saw him form behind the
bloody olympic bar looked liked a banana....LOL
A lot of the time, powerlifters from turkey, bulagaria,greece
would come ande visit and vice-versa.
Stelea(The romania goal keeper at the time trained there also)
and was one stron SOB. Not to mention tall
as a skyscraper). He eventually went to Spain to playt at
a spanish club(soccer), so thats how I got to know him.
The guy absolutely loved Spain.
You could buy any AAS there you frigging wanted and if you
wanted to shoot there that was fine. 200,000 Lei to the
guards to look the other way solved that problem.
And no offense, but if you believe the bionabol dosages
you're nuts. 1-2 Naposim packs.day was pretty normal
1 pack naps=20*5mg = 100mgs/day
That btw, was only 31000Lei=$1.00
Dball was pretty much the drug of choice back then.
Next was inj. anadrol and Test. prop/suspension.
I relied on winstrol/dball and Anavar/Halo from Hungary.

Btw, trenbolone powder is really not that hard to get. Also,
its not difficult to get the pure tren powder from Finaplix-H
then convert it into a water-based injectable.

Oil vs Water based inj. Oil tends to form clumps, therefore
its half-life is an extrapolation NOT accurate. Water on the
other hand doesn't BUT its easier for bacteria to grow
in water AND the given steroid CAN crystalize inside the
inj. site just below the epidermal layer and
hurt like an SOB, not to mention form an abscess.(From bacterial
growth)

Fonz
 
one day one day I will be that strong....
This is great information for atheletes. I wish there was a way we could test the theory with suspended trenbolone. I think I might try some and see if I can get ahold of it.
 
I just got the balls the finally buy the stuff. I'll definitely give you guys updates as soon as I start in a month.

I kind of want to do Fina alone, so I can see the gains and results singled out by themselves.
 
Fonz said:
I relied on winstrol/dball and Anavar/Halo from Hungary.

Fonz
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Hey Fonz,
How did the anavar/halo treat you. I was thinking of stacking the two but I can't gain any weight which worries me about adding the halo. I've heard of other powerlifters using this stack with awesome results. What was your experience...doseage???
 
monkeyballs said:


Hey Fonz,
How did the anavar/halo treat you. I was thinking of stacking the two but I can't gain any weight which worries me about adding the halo. I've heard of other powerlifters using this stack with awesome results. What was your experience...doseage???
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Anavar/Halo is one of the least used but most effective cutting
stacks I have ever tried.
Muscle-loss is very, very rare on this stack due
to the anavar. And, strength-loss is frankly impossible
due to the halo.
They basically complement each other quite nicely.
This stack can be run for 6 weeks as long as ALA is
used. Use of ALA is critical.
The cuts on this stack are IMO superior to Fina.
(However, they can't be used longer-term like
Fina as they are 17-aa(Mostly due to the Halo though)).
Halo can be used at 20-30mg/day(Depending on bodyweight
150-250lbs spectrum. Extrapolate as necessary)
and Anavar at 40mg(BTG or SPA) or 80mg/day Generic.

Fonz
 
Hey Fonz...
Righteous Brother...
Consider it done...Halo and Var...like penut butter and jelly...
Two follow up questions though,
1. is it a good stack for hanging on to your gains (vital since I need to be clean as a whistle come competition time)
2. I Know that Var stays in your piss for about 3 weeks, what is the clearance time for halo?
Thanks again bro.
 
monkeyballs said:
Hey Fonz...
Righteous Brother...
Consider it done...Halo and Var...like penut butter and jelly...
Two follow up questions though,
1. is it a good stack for hanging on to your gains (vital since I need to be clean as a whistle come competition time)
2. I Know that Var stays in your piss for about 3 weeks, what is the clearance time for halo?
Thanks again bro.
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Well, from the 10-12 tables I have,

Anavar=5 weeks
Halo=8 weeks

Which is sheer lunacy.

From experience, anavar=3 weeks Halo=5 weeks.
at MOST. You might be able to get away with less
BUT I wouldn't push it. I'd use a diff. steroid. or
some other enhancing chem.

Fonz
 
How bout hanging on to your gains?

Halo doesn't require clomid, or any of that other anti-e drugs does it? if so then it's off limits because most of the anti-e's are on the banned substance list as well. Thanks.
 
hey that brings up a question I've always wondered. Anti-Es are never really covered for detection time. What are the detect times of Clomid, Femara, Arimidex, Nolva, HCG? Anyone know?
 
Fonz said:


Anavar/Halo is one of the least used but most effective cutting
stacks I have ever tried.
Muscle-loss is very, very rare on this stack due
to the anavar. And, strength-loss is frankly impossible
due to the halo.
They basically complement each other quite nicely.
This stack can be run for 6 weeks as long as ALA is
used. Use of ALA is critical.
The cuts on this stack are IMO superior to Fina.
(However, they can't be used longer-term like
Fina as they are 17-aa(Mostly due to the Halo though)).
Halo can be used at 20-30mg/day(Depending on bodyweight
150-250lbs spectrum. Extrapolate as necessary)
and Anavar at 40mg(BTG or SPA) or 80mg/day Generic.

Fonz
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Extrapolate as necessary)
and Anavar at 40mg(BTG or SPA) or 80mg/day Generic.



I take it this means take 80mg of a generic brand to equal results of spa or btg.Does taking 80mg of a generic brand though add up to more severe sides than taking 40 mg of spa or btg?
 
steroids for athletes

anybody took drugtest recently? Anybody know for sure if the detection time of the AS is real and last question are there lab-test available somewhere? thank you
 
Okay guys this is my first post on this board. My usual boards are theanabolicworld.com and anabolic review.

I have read this thread and it seams that you guys have the same concerns as myself. I have been running dianaol cycle for some two months now and took my last tabs about 3/4 days ago.. I knowleable friend of mine has said that it can clear in as little as 8 days. I have been working on 5 weeks!
Towards the end of this cycle I started to introduce Test Propionate (verormone). I now want to take this every day for the next five days. What is the maximum that you can take in one hit. I want to take 400ml (2amps) and shoot 200ml into each thigh. I think tonight I'm working on cleans, snatch and then maybe deadlift! Possibly a little incline bench.

A speedy response would be appreciated as I'm off training at 4pm and it is now 12pm. cheers peeps.

:angel:
 
monkeyballs said:


Hey fonz
This isn't true. Maybe the NCAA has to give you one day notice, but american IOC officials will show up at a practice with a RV testing lab and a bucket full of gatorade and just grab a bunch of athletes and test them. It happens all the time. Trust me when I say that these guys also work weekends. Some athletes (higher profile ones) can actually have IOC officials come to there house. If for some reason your not arround, or you weren't at the practice where they tested other athletes, that send a red flag, and you can be sure that you'll be tested more than the average athlete in the comming months. Each countries IOC officials are different with the US being the worst by far. European athletes have it much easier. Bastards...
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Currently if you are a elite level competitor in an IOC/USOC sport in the US you COULD be subject to random tests by your National Governing Body. This doesn't really happen in the NBA, NHL, MLB (basically any franchised pro sports league except NFL they aren't an IOC sport). I have heard the stories about fellow cyclists, runners, triathletes hanging out at home on a Thursday afternoon and knock-knock "Hello-Mr X, I am Bob Drugtester from the USOC and this is Jim NGBRep from USA Cycling. We're here to conduct a random out of competiton drug test. Please pee in these two cups. Oh yes, we need to watch-from the front. Drop'em and pee for us, boy!"

As stringent as the USOC is there is still lots of rumors floating around about how they make prominent cases go away and every once in awhile they have a scapegoat. The euro countries are very pissy about US athletes never ever testing positive in big events. I have heard a few guys remark that the US has the best drug companies so obviously our athletes will have the best drugs. That big fat shotputter who was Marian Jones hubby is a good example. Actually I take that back- he tested positive in Oslo so he was tested by IAAF officials and then they turn over results to the US Track and Field. The US sat on the results and I think the IAAF had to annouce the findings. This is what really led to other countries crying foul about US drug case handling. The other countries tried to say that the US was going to let it slide so the IAAF decided they would step in and sanction him.

FHG
 
Oh yeah the tests are far from random. Guys who have shady reputations and are getting results=lots of random testing. I have a friend who was tested 8 times in one season. Six times were random (all immediately after competition-in cycling they usually test the top 3 of big races and 1 or 2 random riders-More than one guy has been suspended for leaving a race and not checking to see if he was a random sampler-and ignorance=positive test in the eyes of our NGB).

Here's a good example: that Spanish/German XC skiier. He was TOO good in the XC races so they started testing him RANDOMLY (how random is 3 times in one Olympics!?!?) Bang they finally returned a positive test for Aranesp or darbotein alfa, a derivative of EPO. It is completely unnatural and synthetic so the detected it. Spain isn't appealling the decision either-they knew.

FHG
 
woooooaaaaa

USA Cycling coming to dude's homes? O SHIT! what has the world come to? USA cycling is the laziest, most worthless bunch of idiots, or so I thought, when it came to drug testing. Friend of mine was selected for random drug testing once @ jr. nats while he had been popping amphetamines and who knows what else and he never heard a thing(and he didn't do the tube-up-the-bum either).... What tiered riders are they going after? Just Pro's? I haven't heard of anyone that I know, Cat. 1's and one pro, ever getting tested outside of competition.

O, and one other thing, "random" is not like the lottery. They look for the dude who looks all juiced up and pull his name from the hat. As was Mr.WIlly's case in Cincinatti @ espior nats when he was, and always has been, clean as a whistle. He always looks pumped....

The off-season should be fair-game.... That's my stance.


Ciao,

Rolf
 
I love posts like this, very informative, based upon your own experience, I haven't tried some of this gear and appreicate your input, I also didn't know Ben Johnson was busted for whinny always thought it was dbol.
 
I'm determined to keep this thread going...
Lots of great info, mostly due to Fonz, Manchild, and Nautica. Thanks bros.
One last try to keep this shit going...
 
nobody answer to me about if there are any laboratory that can do drug testing. I have been in holiday in s. jose ca ten years ago
and i got test for winny in that time I believe I took about 30 mg. a day and incredible i vas clear after 4 days. Now this lab move it I don't know where and all the time I competed I dit stop to take 1 w b4 and always got not problems for antidoping. Now I don't compete anymore and I know tha the tecnologyes for the lab is better, it more accurate. but still I can not believe that occurs 3 w for an oral aa to be clear. Now I am coach and for this reason I am interesting in this problem. by
 
manolo said:
nobody answer to me about if there are any laboratory that can do drug testing. I have been in holiday in s. jose ca ten years ago
and i got test for winny in that time I believe I took about 30 mg. a day and incredible i vas clear after 4 days. Now this lab move it I don't know where and all the time I competed I dit stop to take 1 w b4 and always got not problems for antidoping. Now I don't compete anymore and I know tha the tecnologyes for the lab is better, it more accurate. but still I can not believe that occurs 3 w for an oral aa to be clear. Now I am coach and for this reason I am interesting in this problem. by
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I have an online site that does drug testing. I have the paper work at home. I will bring it tommorrow and post it. I strongly recommend to everyone who is worried about testing to get their levels checked periodically, in order to know exactly how their body reacts to the different AAS.

Nautica
 
From what we're gathering here, it's obviously not an exact science. We know that esters, amount taken, carbon chains, metabolites, and body composition all factor in to how long drugs are detectable for.

From my experiences, beating a 6:1 ratio test is not that hard, however if you are caught off guard and you're over that limit, the metabolites are most likely still floating around. For how long these meabolites are there remains to be seen, but a lot of factors contribute to this.

Like we've said........TEST and ANAVAR are your best bets (for athletes) and TREN is probably ok as well.

All of the other drugs are either not "meant" for athletes or highly risky.
 
So, what about the athlete who is doing copious amounts of Dianabol and ending his cycle with Test propionate? How long could it be before he could expect a clear test.

I've heard that D-bol can be clear in 8 - 14 days and Test prop is 14 days. I'm working with d-bol being 5 weeks just for safety sake.

I would be very interested in opinions!:angel:
 
yes suspension would be ur best bet, but would u like to stick urself several times a day? probably not. all the short acting esters are very safe, test prop, anavar, dbol, all these drugs that act quickly and get out of ur system quickly are ur best bets.

while it may not be an exact science, it can be calculated and u can be able to tell when it will be out of ur body.

your best bet for passing these tests are to know ur own teams testing procedures, in teh NCAA u pretty much know when you are going to get tested, so u should be basing ur juice on these testing times. keep it to short acting esters and u will be fine. fina is also fine since it clears in 5 weeks completely. There is no need to take longer acting esters so u shouldnt even think about it. unless you completely fuck up on ur t/e ratio, they will not test for metabolites, so keep this in mind, college sports r less strict then pro biking for instance when it comes to drug testing. find out more about ur own sports or conferences drug testing procedures, it will help a lot.
 
is injectable winstrol-v detectable for 2 months or 3-4 weeks. anyone here ever get tested 3-4 weeks and pass while on winny?
 
hey bulk32

I was tested after an oral cycle of winny. The test was about 5 weeks after I finished the cycle, and it was an IOC test, which is as strict as they come. I was clean, but then again it was oral. Nautica's sticky post has the stats on inj winny. Check it out.
 
could be test. propionathe dangerous for coming drug test I mean they search for the metabolities or for t/e ratio only, and when is the best time to take for better results justwhen stop oral or after two or 3 w when your self production it start to be normal.I believed second option could be better choice. Thank for reply.
 
I just cant get into the Test is Best thing...I've known guys who used test and gained 15-25 pounds in 10-12 weeks...but i've also seen 15 lb gains on primo and anavar with 1% the hassle of nolvadex, clomid, HCG, etc...not to mention Acne, Gyno, etc..so in my opinion...test is great..no doubt..but best?
 
Hey yall
The mother of all posts continues...
I'm gonna add some shit so this post will be easier to find using the search function. Can't let this one go to waste.

steroids for speed
steroids for football
steroids for powerlifters
steroids for track
steroids for college athletes
 
I don't know if anyone saw it, but it seems IP is bringing back the OT...I'm not buying his shit, but if anyone does please post results, lab tests, etc...


BTW: Only a few more weeks until I start my Fina. Updates to follow...
 
Test prop?

keep it going guys!!! very informative!!
it appears that test prop is probably one of the best for athletes... what is the complete term? are there different brands? is IOC clearance time 2 weeks?
 
Prop detection time can be from 1-2 weeks, mainly depends on your dosage. Its real name is Testosterone Propionate. And it's made by several companies, but 99% of us enjoy Virormone and Testovit the most! Later

MC
 
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