Steroids for age 40+

[sshadoww]

Hey All,

I have been lifting on and off for several years and I ususally stop at some point with a wrist injury and have to lay up for a couple of months. Fortunately, the past year I've been able to lift regularly with no problems. However, I turned 40 and no matter how much I alter my routine and eat right, I'm just not getting any bigger...it's like I hit a wall. I live in a small town in upstate, NY and there's no source here, so I've never tried any type of real gear. I did try Superdrol adnd ended up gaining 17 pounds but a lot of it was bloat that I worked my ass off to get rid of. So for the past year I basically just go with Creatine, Glutamine, AA's, Protein and multi vitamin. I'm 5'11, 174 pounds and about 23% bf even though I do cardio 4 days a week.

Anyway- my question is at age 40 is it possible to ever get bigger and more defined naturally, or will I have to find gear at some point. Also, how dangerous is it to use gear at 40, and what advice do you have?

I really appreciate the help.

 

[Triple J]

based on your stats (not overweight), at age 40 and after a year or more of consitent effort you have probably plateaued and will have a hard time going much further without some enhancemenet. your best bet is to find a hrt doc that will help you out with some T and GH as the foundation for anything else you choose to do.

 

[xrsist]

get your body fat down as much as you can then aas would more of a benifit for you. you would do well of 300mg a week of test

 

[todoveritas]

I agree with above and it would be wise to get body fat down to at least 15%. Once there, I would vote for a bread and butter stack for size. T3st 250mg QWk + D3ca 250-300mg Qwk + dbo.l 40 mg QD. If this combo does not make you grow, nothing will. Anti-E's are a must. PCT. Hmmmm Over-40? Good candidate for HRT. I would just stay on the t3st year round.

 

[sshadoww]

Hey- thanks for the replies- much appreciated. Do you think at 40 it's going to be dangerous? I'm just looking to do a couple of cycles and put on that extra 20 pounds of muscle. I would love to do a Var/Primo stack but I know it's wishful thinking. So, I'm guessing a Test/Dbol type stack to start. For PCT, I already have Clomid and Nolva left over from that Superdrol tryout (I read it was good to start with both for a few days then go strictly to Nolva)- is anything else recommended?

Thanks again.

I agree with above and it would be wise to get body fat down to at least 15%. Once there, I would vote for a bread and butter stack for size. T3st 250mg QWk + D3ca 250-300mg Qwk + dbo.l 40 mg QD. If this combo does not make you grow, nothing will. Anti-E's are a must. PCT - post cycle therapy - . Hmmmm Over-40? Good candidate for HRT. I would just stay on the t3st year round.

 

[nydj66]

Hey All,

I have been lifting on and off for several years and I ususally stop at some point with a wrist injury and have to lay up for a couple of months. Fortunately, the past year I've been able to lift regularly with no problems. However, I turned 40 and no matter how much I alter my routine and eat right, I'm just not getting any bigger...it's like I hit a wall. I live in a small town in upstate, NY and there's no source here, so I've never tried any type of real gear. I did try Superdrol adnd ended up gaining 17 pounds but a lot of it was bloat that I worked my ass off to get rid of. So for the past year I basically just go with Creatine, Glutamine, AA's, Protein and multi vitamin. I'm 5'11, 174 pounds and about 23% bf even though I do cardio 4 days a week.

Anyway- my question is at age 40 is it possible to ever get bigger and more defined naturally, or will I have to find gear at some point. Also, how dangerous is it to use gear at 40, and what advice do you have?

I really appreciate the help.

You and I have so many things in common I had to read this thread twice to make sure I didn't post it.

Where did you get your body fat reading from? If you're 5'11" 174lb and 23% BF then your frame must be tiny. I think you're BF estimate is too high.

At 5'11", I stayed at 170lb, 9% BF for years. The problem was too much cardio. Last winter I stopped running and kept eating the same way and I gained 17lb and about 30lb increase on my bench press.

Picked the running back up this spring and leveled back out at 179lb. Currently I'm 41.

 

[SLAYER69!]

Hey- thanks for the replies- much appreciated. Do you think at 40 it's going to be dangerous? I'm just looking to do a couple of cycles and put on that extra 20 pounds of muscle. I would love to do a Anavar - oxandrolone - /Primobolan - methenolone - stack but I know it's wishful thinking. So, I'm guessing a Test/Dianabol - methandrostenolone - type stack to start. For PCT - post cycle therapy - , I already have Clomid and Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - left over from that Superdrol tryout (I read it was good to start with both for a few days then go strictly to Nolva)- is anything else recommended?

Thanks again.

I hope its not dangerous. I'm 42 and hitting alot more than that. Just do it smart, like it looks like your gonna do. I get myself checked with a blood test too just to be safe.

 

[xrsist]

being its your first real cycle i would just stick with testosterone for 10 weeks but if you want you could add anavar for the last 6 weeks also.

test enath or cyp 300mg week 1-10
anavar 60mg ED week 5-10
adex .5mg EOD (if required)
clomid 50mg ED week 12-15

as its a low dose cycle i doubt you would have any sides at all and as long as you train hard and eat everything you will make some good gains

 

[sshadoww]

Hey,

Yeah- sounds like we have almost the same makeup. I think I gained a lot of the body fat when I did the Superdrol cycle...I ate like a madman and shot from about 165 to 182. I hit the cardio hard to shed a lot of the fat and get back down to 174. I checked the BF first through a digital scale, and then through a handheld measurer and they were within 1% of each other. Check my pic- it was in December in Florida. I lost a little more fat since then, but not much.

You and I have so many things in common I had to read this thread twice to make sure I didn't post it.

Where did you get your body fat reading from? If you're 5'11" 174lb and 23% BF then your frame must be tiny. I think you're BF estimate is too high.

At 5'11", I stayed at 170lb, 9% BF for years. The problem was too much cardio. Last winter I stopped running and kept eating the same way and I gained 17lb and about 30lb increase on my bench press.

Picked the running back up this spring and leveled back out at 179lb. Currently I'm 41.

 

[sshadoww]

Thanks for the reply-

I had my blood done a few months ago and everything was great...my Cholesterol was too high which I attribute to that Superdrol cycle. I'm glad to hear there are others in their 40's with no problems. Also, thanks for the cycle post, but I doubt I wall see any ox here.

being its your first real cycle i would just stick with testosterone for 10 weeks but if you want you could add anavar for the last 6 weeks also.

test testosterone enanthate or testosterone cypionate 300mg week 1-10
anavar 60mg ED week 5-10
Arimidex - anastrozole - .5mg EOD (if required)
clomid 50mg ED week 12-15

as its a low dose cycle i doubt you would have any sides at all and as long as you train hard and eat everything you will make some good gains

 

[todoveritas]

Do you think at 40 it's going to be dangerous? ... is anything else recommended?

Bro, having been at the game a long, long, time, I can say I am having an easier time with the sides at 48 far easier than I did 20 years ago. I do have a few pearls, however, for the BB over 40:

1) We are a bit more susceptible to gyno (so anti-e's are a must);
2) We need to be a bit more concerned with cardiovascular risks and pay more attention to our lipid profiles, specifically high cholesterol and low HDLs (hence my recommendations to go with Aromasin as an anti-E);
3) Our blood pressure can be a bit of a concern (so stay away from using strong androgens such as t3st and tr3n in high doses); have a low threshold for starting anti-hypertensives such as capoten.
4) Because of the obvious prostate concerns, monitor for urinary symptoms of frequency, urgency and dribbling when using DHT-derived steroids such as Anadro.l, mastero.n, and winstro.l.

The good news? Less acne, less testicular shrinkage, less incidence of roid rage. And if you are fortunate enough to have been lifting pretty steady in the past, you get to enjoy that grainy sculpted appearance that aged-muscle gives (after you have dieted down).

The super good news? Still being able to draw double takes from the hot 25-year old babes sunbathing at the pool. (I have found being yoked is almost as good as being rich....almost)

 

[Big_Joe]

Bro, having been at the game a long, long, time, I can say I am having an easier time with the sides at 48 far easier than I did 20 years ago. I do have a few pearls, however, for the BB over 40:

1) We are a bit more susceptible to gynecomastia (so anti-e's are a must);
2) We need to be a bit more concerned with cardiovascular risks and pay more attention to our lipid profiles, specifically high cholesterol and low HDLs (hence my recommendations to go with Aromasin as an anti-E);
3) Our blood pressure can be a bit of a concern (so stay away from using strong androgens such as t3st and tr3n in high doses); have a low threshold for starting anti-hypertensives such as capoten.
4) Because of the obvious prostate concerns, monitor for urinary symptoms of frequency, urgency and dribbling when using dihydrotestosterone-derived steroids such as Anadro.l, mastero.n, and winstro.l.

The good news? Less acne, less testicular shrinkage, less incidence of roid rage. And if you are fortunate enough to have been lifting pretty steady in the past, you get to enjoy that grainy sculpted appearance that aged-muscle gives (after you have dieted down).

The super good news? Still being able to draw double takes from the hot 25-year old babes sunbathing at the pool. (I have found being yoked is almost as good as being rich....almost)

I started at fifty and I agree with all of the above but I would like to add something. A lot of people will say start wit testosterone. I listened to this and now that I understand my body under AAS I wish I hadn't. Test is a very powerful drug and has lots of side effects. See number one and two above. In my opinion you should start with a drug that has less sides. Primo is good but it's expensive and you need a lot to see results. So I would suggest that you look closely at EQ. It has much less side effects then test and doesn't shut you down as hard as test. So the use of anti estrogen drugs can be lessened if not removed all together. It does reduce the hpta but not nearly as much as test so doing Hcg during your cycle, 500 iu every day or every other day, will keep your body producing test, so you will be adding test but it's yourown, and side effects from lowered test will be less.

So my suggestion would be that you give that you give EQ a try at around 400mg per week and Hcg at 500iu every other day. This is a great stack for those of us starting out with AAS while entering our twilight years.

 

[sshadoww]

Great Info! Much appreciated!

Bro, having been at the game a long, long, time, I can say I am having an easier time with the sides at 48 far easier than I did 20 years ago. I do have a few pearls, however, for the BB over 40:

1) We are a bit more susceptible to gynecomastia (so anti-e's are a must);
2) We need to be a bit more concerned with cardiovascular risks and pay more attention to our lipid profiles, specifically high cholesterol and low HDLs (hence my recommendations to go with Aromasin as an anti-E);
3) Our blood pressure can be a bit of a concern (so stay away from using strong androgens such as t3st and tr3n in high doses); have a low threshold for starting anti-hypertensives such as capoten.
4) Because of the obvious prostate concerns, monitor for urinary symptoms of frequency, urgency and dribbling when using dihydrotestosterone-derived steroids such as Anadro.l, mastero.n, and winstro.l.

The good news? Less acne, less testicular shrinkage, less incidence of roid rage. And if you are fortunate enough to have been lifting pretty steady in the past, you get to enjoy that grainy sculpted appearance that aged-muscle gives (after you have dieted down).

The super good news? Still being able to draw double takes from the hot 25-year old babes sunbathing at the pool. (I have found being yoked is almost as good as being rich....almost)

 

[rg78]

With those stats I think something isnt quite right with your training or diet unless you have very low natural test. Saying that id still be going on a cycle

 

[xrsist]

Thanks for the reply-

I had my blood done a few months ago and everything was great...my Cholesterol was too high which I attribute to that Superdrol cycle. I'm glad to hear there are others in their 40's with no problems. Also, thanks for the cycle post, but I doubt I wall see any ox here.

you could change the anavar with winny at 50mg ED same weeks..

 

[sshadoww]

With those stats I think something isnt quite right with your training or diet unless you have very low natural test. Saying that id still be going on a cycle

Yeah- I've always thought I had low test..being a vegetarian also makes it tough because most of what I eat is soy based. I get a gram+ of protein per pound daily, though. I eat extremely clean, usually 5-6 times a day. I vary my sets- lifting 4 days a week- and also 4 days of cardio, including Martial arts.

My only training problem is sleep- I'm like an insomniac- I'm lucky if I get 5 hours a night. I tried Melatonin and it's like candy to me- I just wake after 5 hours.

Also, It's like a catch 22 with the BF I gained with the superdrol...I have to do a lot of cardio to keep shedding it, but I'm cutting and it's not helping the bulk. I tried a pre-comp shredder and it helped a little w/the BF. I think the best bet at this point is a mild/side stack like Var/Primo and a little test, but it's probably impossible to get where I am. I was going to do that stack last year but it never panned out. My second thought is find some Dbol/Test and bulk up for 8 weeks and then cut like crazy and see what happens. Originally I was swearing to just do a couple of oral stacks, but after the sd I'm thinking differently.

Anyway- thanks for the input.

 

[rg78]

Big Joes advice is sound Eq would be a great option for you

 

[roadwarrior]

Bro, having been at the game a long, long, time...)

Todoveritas...

Great post of inspiration to us older guys just starting on cycling. I'm 48 too. I recently finished my first cycle after checking everything out here and Googling everything. I was very happy with results and how it feels. If someone who is older has been training hard, dieted down, and feels like the edge is wearing off or hitting plateaus that just won't break then I'd tell them to look into supplementing after they do their research. I will be considering your comment on HRT with 250-300mg/week of test.

S

 

[Bourget]

I'm 42 been cycling on and off for two years now. Basically started out with 500mg wk of Test E. Now into my sixth cycle, I think, I'm runnin Test, EQ, Tren, Proviron and Winny.

I've never felt better(except for the winny killing my joints).

Check out the clip on youtube about steroids for healthy adult men. That's what sold me.

 

[xrsist]

I'm 42 been cycling on and off for two years now. Basically started out with 500mg wk of testosterone enanthate. Now into my sixth cycle, I think, I'm runnin Test, Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - , trenbolone, Proviron and Winstrol - stanozolol.

I've never felt better(except for the Winstrol - stanozolol killing my joints).

Check out the clip on youtube about steroids for healthy adult men. That's what sold me.

post the direct link please

 

[Bourget]

post the direct link please

Here ya go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0LEj8IPHGU

 

[Bourget]

There may be more videos. If you're interested go to youtube and search for "Truth About Steroids". Very informative.

 

[Triple J]

I would second the advise to limit T usage to hrt levels only. Like I said in my earlier post then just add other things on top of that, preferably drugs that do not aromatize. Estrogen levels should not be allowed to go high. Your bodyfat percentages will drop wehn you get T into the high normal range, improve your GH levels, and gain the muscle. Your workout performance and work level will improve allowing you to regain a higher metabolic level and your bodyfat will drop back to where it was when you were younger.

 

[sshadoww]

I would second the advise to limit T usage to hrt levels only. Like I said in my earlier post then just add other things on top of that, preferably drugs that do not aromatize. Estrogen levels should not be allowed to go high. Your bodyfat percentages will drop wehn you get T into the high normal range, improve your gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - levels, and gain the muscle. Your workout performance and work level will improve allowing you to regain a higher metabolic level and your bodyfat will drop back to where it was when you were younger.

Thanks for the feedback- much appreciated. After reading everything, I'm thinking about going with a Test/Var stack for the first time. Any advice on dosage and stacks would be great. Also, It's the first time injecting and I want to be safe, so any help there is greatly appreciated as well. I've had some people tell me that a Test/Primo/Var combo is good for a first stack but expensive. Someone also mentioned tossing in some Andro as a kick.

Thanks Again.

 

[td1111]

My first cycle was Primo, EQ, and var. No side effects, just 25 lbs of lean muscle! Much nicer than my 2nd cycle which I'm running now using Test, EQ and dbol. Dealing with the estrogen from these really sucks!! If you can afford it and get quality gear, primo and EQ would be the best for a 1st cycle.

 

[sshadoww]

My first cycle was Primobolan - methenolone - , Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - , and Anavar - oxandrolone - . No side effects, just 25 lbs of lean muscle! Much nicer than my 2nd cycle which I'm running now using Test, EQ and Dianabol - methandrostenolone - . Dealing with the estrogen from these really sucks!! If you can afford it and get quality gear, Primobolan - methenolone - and EQ would be the best for a 1st cycle.

Thanks Bro- so you also think an Equipose stack is better than test for the first time?

 

[td1111]

Thanks Bro- so you also think an Equipose stack is better than test for the first time?

Be sure to read this post: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...sterone-hamburger-helper-steroids-553353.html
I very much agree with the author!

 

[Triple J]

Thanks for the feedback- much appreciated. After reading everything, I'm thinking about going with a Test/Anavar - oxandrolone - stack for the first time. Any advice on dosage and stacks would be great. Also, It's the first time injecting and I want to be safe, so any help there is greatly appreciated as well. I've had some people tell me that a Test/Primobolan - methenolone - /Var combo is good for a first stack but expensive. Someone also mentioned tossing in some Andro as a kick.

Thanks Again.

I think thats a good choice. For T I would keep the dose under 200mg/wk and see if that bloats you or not. Have some anti-aromatase drugs on hand in case you need them. For the var your milage regarding dosage may vary widely depending on the source. Most people with china powders are running 50-100mg/day. USP probably half that.

 

[xrsist]

Here ya go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0LEj8IPHGU

have seen it before, this should be played over and over in the media today

 

[Selene]

Hey All,

I have been lifting on and off for several years and I ususally stop at some point with a wrist injury and have to lay up for a couple of months. Fortunately, the past year I've been able to lift regularly with no problems. However, I turned 40 and no matter how much I alter my routine and eat right, I'm just not getting any bigger...it's like I hit a wall. I live in a small town in upstate, NY and there's no source here, so I've never tried any type of real gear. I did try Superdrol adnd ended up gaining 17 pounds but a lot of it was bloat that I worked my ass off to get rid of. So for the past year I basically just go with Creatine, Glutamine, AA's, Protein and multi vitamin. I'm 5'11, 174 pounds and about 23% bf even though I do cardio 4 days a week.

Anyway- my question is at age 40 is it possible to ever get bigger and more defined naturally, or will I have to find gear at some point. Also, how dangerous is it to use gear at 40, and what advice do you have?

I really appreciate the help.

At your age good idea to have hormone levels tested

good luck to you

 

[sshadoww]

have seen it before, this should be played over and over in the media today

I gotta say that was unreal...I've heard so much negative press in regards to AAS that it's just soberng to view something like this. The 70 year old guy (Bob Clap?) just blew my mind. Thanks for this- I hope some of the nay sayers get a chance to view it also.