Steroids and Cardiovascular Performance

[1crow]

Which, if any, steroids increase cardiovascular endurance? Are there other drugs other than Clen or stimulants which can increase CV performance? I work and work at CV and I feel like it doesn't improve. Been worked-up inc. stress-test and there was nothing found. I grew up surfing Nor. Cal. overhead and free-diving and now don't venture v. far from shore.

Stats: 58 M, 6', 220 lbs., 24%bf. Cycle: 125-200mg Cyp. and 200mg Primo or EQ (yeah, it's real Primo.) per week + HCG + arimidex. This has been 12on/6-12off for the last few years but I'm may start running it as HRT. No PCT issues. Except for CV this has really worked for me.

 

[stevesmi]

nope. it will hurt your performance. the pumps in your legs and the extra muscle gain will make it impossible to run long distances. I can go maybe 1.5 miles before I have to stop from the pumps. also lifting heavy weights also pounds away at the feet and legs and will overdo the ligaments and tissues. for example if i run now my feet start hurting from doing 350 pound squats, 200+ pound clean and jerks, and my high rep deadlifts. so to answer you in my opinion steroids absolutely do not help with endurance training and actually will hurt you. there are supps out there that will help you.. ones that help you stay hydrated or recover faster from your runs which would help.

also you say you aren't improving. i went through the same thing where i improved my 5K time and then hit a wall. not sure what to tell you, just keep at it.. sometimes it takes time to get over that hump.

--- former half marathon runner

 

[Stryker1992]

winstrol and eq both can help improve it (red blood cell count)

tbol aswell as anavar have been used by alot of endurance runners and sprinters to improve performace

they may not directly improve cardio vascular, but can improve ur ability to pursue further

Any anabolic steroid that increases RBC count will improve CV performance. The issue becomes if you are gaining weight and suffering muscle pumps that combat those effects. I like primo or var personally.

 

[Zyglamail]

The Indications and Usage for nandrolone decanoate is the management of anemia of renal insufficiency and has been shown to increase Hgb and RBC mass.

 

[ArmaniAK47]

Studies of patients using Nandrolone Decanoate (Deca) showed increased cardiovascular performance..

But realistically, a higher red blood cell count will improve it.. - Something most steroids do.

 

[Cory151]

nope. it will hurt your performance. the pumps in your legs and the extra muscle gain will make it impossible to run long distances. I can go maybe 1.5 miles before I have to stop from the pumps. also lifting heavy weights also pounds away at the feet and legs and will overdo the ligaments and tissues. for example if i run now my feet start hurting from doing 350 pound squats, 200+ pound clean and jerks, and my high rep deadlifts. so to answer you in my opinion steroids absolutely do not help with endurance training and actually will hurt you. there are supps out there that will help you.. ones that help you stay hydrated or recover faster from your runs which would help.

also you say you aren't improving. i went through the same thing where i improved my 5K time and then hit a wall. not sure what to tell you, just keep at it.. sometimes it takes time to get over that hump.

--- former half marathon runner

This is exactly right, juice does some weird shit to your cardio. Wanna gas out bad, take AAS for an endurance event. Deca you say? Not even close, I completed an Iron Man on Deca and it was the absolute worst performance of my life. Was I strong yes, was I gassed out absolutely. All those extra Red blood cells are gonna thicken your blood up and your heart will have to work harder to pump it. Maybe this doesn't happen to everyone but it definitely happened to me.

Start taking CoQ10 and doing 400m interval training and you'll break through. Also do a little bit of running bare foot in grass once a week.

 

[stevesmi]

This is exactly right, juice does some weird shit to your cardio. Wanna gas out bad, take AAS for an endurance event. Deca you say? Not even close, I completed an Iron Man on Deca and it was the absolute worst performance of my life. Was I strong yes, was I gassed out absolutely. All those extra Red blood cells are gonna thicken your blood up and your heart will have to work harder to pump it. Maybe this doesn't happen to everyone but it definitely happened to me.

Start taking CoQ10 and doing 400m interval training and you'll break through. Also do a little bit of running bare foot in grass once a week.

most roid users dont get this concept cause they never were endurance athletes. I am both so i know exactly what roids will do to your endurance. it will ruin it. i was 1 week into my cycle which included dbol. i agreed to do a 5K with some other friends.. the first quarter mile i was in the lead, by the end of the first mile everyone started passing me.. i was like wtf? my calves and shins felt like they were gonna explode at that point, i had to stop from the pumps. and my veins in my legs looked like they were gonna pop out. it was embarassing.

 

[cgar1228]

most roid users dont get this concept cause they never were endurance athletes. I am both so i know exactly what roids will do to your endurance. it will ruin it. i was 1 week into my cycle which included dbol. i agreed to do a 5K with some other friends.. the first quarter mile i was in the lead, by the end of the first mile everyone started passing me.. i was like wtf? my calves and shins felt like they were gonna explode at that point, i had to stop from the pumps. and my veins in my legs looked like they were gonna pop out. it was embarassing.

cheers to making it a mile. 5 wks in to my cycle i decided that i wanted to lean up a little bit so I decided i would start jogging again. made it about a half a mile and couldn't take the pump anymore in my shins and calves. man i felt like a tool...lol came back to the house after being gone no longer than 10 minutes and my girl was like, 'thought you were gonna go for a jog'...

 

[Zyglamail]

most roid users dont get this concept cause they never were endurance athletes. I am both so i know exactly what roids will do to your endurance. it will ruin it. i was 1 week into my cycle which included dbol. i agreed to do a 5K with some other friends.. the first quarter mile i was in the lead, by the end of the first mile everyone started passing me.. i was like wtf? my calves and shins felt like they were gonna explode at that point, i had to stop from the pumps. and my veins in my legs looked like they were gonna pop out. it was embarassing.

This has to be qualified. AAS does not automatically equal ruined endurance. Of course if your on something known to cause painfull pumps you asking for trouble. However on the other side of the coin if you have naturally low test and are on a moderate test/deca cycle and are at high normal or a bit over you should actually benefit from it.

 

[Cory151]

Ive got a local buddy who is trying to make his dream of being a pro wrestler a reality. He says the same thing, and says many of the bigger guys saucing need small breaks between moves because they are breathing so heavy. He claims it common courtesy when a co worker is on.

 

[Zyglamail]

Ive got a local buddy who is trying to make his dream of being a pro wrestler a reality. He says the same thing, and says many of the bigger guys saucing need small breaks between moves because they are breathing so heavy. He claims it common courtesy when a co worker is on.

Having shitty metabolic conditioning is their choice, they dont want to risk being smaller, but there are some pretty big guys with some great endurance. There is more to it than just the fact they are juicing.

 

[Cory151]

Having shitty metabolic conditioning is their choice, they dont want to risk being smaller, but there are some pretty big guys with some great endurance. There is more to it than just the fact they are juicing.

You meant "cardiovascular conditioning" right? The doc that used to do my TRT had mentioned something to this effect when I used to go to him, couldnt remember why he said it was. Ill give him a call.

 

[Cory151]

Ok he said it was something to do with the" hemodynamic response", whatever that is. In fact heres the summary of the study from June 2010. If you've got any more recent and credible research to prove that what Im feeling while 'on' is all just make believe please post. In the end only i know how my body feels while on, I wish it didn't have this effect on me but it does.

Through multiple cycles it has done this every time regardless of the compound (with the partial exception a S4) So I set about looking for reasons why? Perhaps this will help lesser experienced guys make a a better choice than I did in assuming AAS would improve my ability to run and swim long distances.




Since I cant post the link here is the study:


Acute cardiovascular response in anabolic androgenic steroid users performing maximal treadmill exercise testing

Journal of Strength & Conditioning Research:

June 2010 - Volume 24 - Issue 6 - pp 1688-1695

doi: 10.1519/JSC.0b013e3181dc46c9

Original Research

Maior, AS, Simão, R, Salles, BF, Alexander, JL, Rhea, M, and Nascimento, JHM. Acute cardiovascular response in anabolic androgenic steroid users performing maximal treadmill exercise testing. J Strength Cond Res 24(6): 1688-1695, 2010-The purpose of this study was to investigate the cardiovascular effects of anabolic androgenic steroid (AAS) use, specifically the hemodynamic response, during maximal treadmill exercise testing by comparing the exercise response between users of AAS (U-AAS) and non-AAS users (N-AAS). Twenty-four men (n = 12; 29 ± 3.4 years and n = 12; 29.5 ± 8.2 years for the U-AAS and N-AAS groups, respectively) with regular participation in both resistance (mean = 6 d·wk−1) and aerobic exercise (mean = 2 d·wk−1) volunteered for the study. Both groups of subjects completed a ramp-protocol maximal treadmill exercise test to volitional fatigue. Several hemodynamic and metabolic measures were obtained before, during, and after testing. The results demonstrate for the first time that chronic administration of high doses of AAS (355.4 ± 59.47 mg·wk−1) lead to hemodynamic and metabolic response impairment. In conclusion, the chronotropic significant incompetence in the current study was reflected by an exaggerated hemodynamic response to exercise. Furthermore, the findings suggest that nonusers of AAS showed increases in V̇o2max when compared to the AAS group. Therefore, this study provides a contraindication to AAS use, especially in those at increased risk of cardiovascular events.

 

[Zyglamail]

You meant "cardiovascular conditioning" right? The doc that used to do my TRT had mentioned something to this effect when I used to go to him, couldnt remember why he said it was. Ill give him a call.

No, I meant metabolic conditioning which not only encompasses cardio conditioning but the bodies ability to feed muscles nutrients to operate as well. Intense Anerobic exercise has different requirements than pure aerobic which uses mostly slow twitch muscle. Think MMA, if those guys just did cardio, they would never survive a 5 minute round.

 

[joe d]

most roid users dont get this concept cause they never were endurance athletes. I am both so i know exactly what roids will do to your endurance. it will ruin it. i was 1 week into my cycle which included dbol. i agreed to do a 5K with some other friends.. the first quarter mile i was in the lead, by the end of the first mile everyone started passing me.. i was like wtf? my calves and shins felt like they were gonna explode at that point, i had to stop from the pumps. and my veins in my legs looked like they were gonna pop out. it was embarassing.

thats because you where taking the wrong aas. var wouldnt do that it would help you.

 

[Zyglamail]

Since I cant post the link here is the study:

Do you have access to the full study? What you posted is just an abstract and by itself doesnt tell the whole picture.

 

[Cory151]

Do you have access to the full study? What you posted is just an abstract and by itself doesnt tell the whole picture.

Ill see what i can come up with I think I may have to be a member of The Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research Association to get the whole study published in June 2010 - Volume 24 - Issue 6 - pp 1688-1695

Yep it looks like NSCA wants you to buy the whole Journal, which isnt cheap.

 

[Zyglamail]

Ill see what i can come up with I think I may have to be a member of The Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research Association to get the whole study published in June 2010 - Volume 24 - Issue 6 - pp 1688-1695

Yep it looks like NSCA wants you to buy the whole Journal, which isnt cheap.

That'd be cool. Id love to see the whole study..... not enough to buy the whole journal or pay the $30 just for that article thought