Steroid Sting Fallout: 40,000+ users

[Pat_McCrotch]

fuck them. show me some fucking bodies where people have died from blod clots, strokes, heart attacks and link it to roids. if they can do this and show me this is the definitive cause then I will fucking stop juicing!!!!!!!!!!!

this one doc here was telling em about a guy that lost his legs d/t to rodis because he tore his quad. he blamed the quad tear on the roids. I asked him how does he know it was the roids. all the he could tell me was, "its obvious." i just laughed.

 

[mmaboy]

I agree. But even worse is how many people die from smoking and alcohol. But those big Phillip & Morris tabacco companies contribute money to certain political parties. It's all politics. Amazing you can go into a store and buy a pack of smokes which will kill ya quicker than roid use.

mmaboy

this is soo gay. the DEA sucks balls. more ppl die of rec drug use instead of steroid use and rec drugs are soooooo easy to get ur hands on. ridiculous

 

[Tatyana]

fuck them. show me some fucking bodies where people have died from blod clots, strokes, heart attacks and link it to steroids. if they can do this and show me this is the definitive cause then I will fucking stop juicing!!!!!!!!!!!

this one doc here was telling em about a guy that lost his legs d/t to rodis because he tore his quad. he blamed the quad tear on the steroids. I asked him how does he know it was the steroids. all the he could tell me was, "its obvious." i just laughed.

Interesting you said that hun, cause there was an article in IronMan Mag Sept 2007 where he said the same thing, but ended up with a different conclusion.

There are risks, and I request you never underestimate them.

Dorian Yates equated steroid use to smoking, some people are lighting up when they are 90, there are others that die young from heart disease or lung cancer.

People are not the same.

Also, as with smoking, it took nearly 40 years of scientific research to 'show' that smoking harmed your health.

It is the same with any multi-factorial disease such as heart disease or cancer, the big question is always - what causes it?

There are both genetic and environmental components, loads of them, so to pin-point one, especially when few are honest with the medical community about their use, and it is now considered unethical to do research with steroids.

I really doubt that there will ever be 'hard' scientific evidence, but bodies still could pile up.

And they have been.

Steroids may not have been the direct cause, but I do think they have played a part in a number of the early deaths of wrestlers, bodybuilders, powerlifters....................

I would also like you to consider what the medical community has revealed about another group of people that are on 'hormone replacement' most of their lives, women.

It is low, physiological doses in birth control pills and HRT with women, but studies keep coming out about risks (again it is difficult to prove, but it does seem to add risks of cancer and heart disease for women).

Some lads are taking massive supra-physiological doses.

Yes the media sensationalises things, but instead of getting angry, it may make more sense right now to be even more cautious, see if there is any damage control you can do.

Just be sensible, there is no 'magic' cycle that will have you get that great Olympian physique, and trying to take more to get it is only going to harm you in some way in the long run.

 

[Cal_21]

this is soo gay. the DEA sucks balls. more ppl die of rec drug use instead of steroid use and rec drugs are soooooo easy to get ur hands on. ridiculous

It sucks bro

 

[nzrodney]

What pisses me is the use of the emotive word "abuse" which just puts us in with all the rec drug & criminal world. OK so some of us are not that squeaky clean, but for the best part the people I know are just going about their business not hurting anyone else & just trying to make the best of the physical body they have.

 

[mustang_00]

i think it's one of those "a few bad apples ruins the bunch" kinda things.

they focus on the negatives more than the positives and you can't do that. It's just retarded! There's no way in hell you can compare a steroid user to a crack user. I've never heard of a steroid user robbing someone or killing someone for their next cycle. nancy grace is the anti christ for getting into heated debates that she knows nothing about! she's just relaying information from other idiots that know the same amount of nothing. It's our bodies and we live in a society where we "want it now." I feel you can't play favorites. if you want to make bettering your body illegal then you should outlaw plastic sugery. no more lipo no more face lifts,tummy tucks, no fake tits. imo those are equally as harmful and can lead to death just as much as steroids because they can have some sort of complications in the future. Let's see how many american's bitch about that. these are the things i feel that ruined it for the average SMART steroid user.

1. greg valentino (sp?) all the money he spent on steroids and just living his "up beat" life and the mother fucker was re using needles????? c'mon if you get them in bulk they average out to how many cents for each??? not only that but he video tapes himself doing his own abcess surgery?? what did it to for the AS community??? it made us look like a bunch of dirty needle poking retards!!! Its pretty fucked up they focused on all of that and really didn't get into the fact that he suffered from napoleon syndrome.

2. the mtv bull shit "true life" the only thing it showed was how easy it is to get steroids, and the side effects was always depression. The end of the gay dudes cycle he went to a shrink... because he was shakey and was going to off himself. lame! the short clip they showed of the parents talking about how their son committed suicide due to steriods. they started it off with baseball was his life, he would eat,sleep,shit baseball. he was always a little guy and the coaches wouldn't play him that much because of it. then we noticed him growing blah blah blah, he went to college got on the team, later got a bad grade and couldn't play anymore and broke furniture then ended it. was it because of steroids?? no you dumb shit you just said why he did what he did. baseball was his life and he got kicked off the team and school ending any chance he had at trying to go pro.... don't get me wrong it's sad when someone gives up like that but for them or anyone else to play the blame game and start pointing fingers at the wrong reasons isn't helping matters. everyone is mad about steriods and not mad at the fact that you have to look a certain way or be a certain size to do things. is it fucked up? imo yeah but that's life i guess. like in sports. you get paid more money for doing certain things. is it a pro athlets fault for wanting to perform better for that purpose? nope! if everyone was getting paid the same amount in sports even for being the best player, no one would play and no one would watch. on the brighter side the media blames video games for shootings instead of steroids. guess the AS community has that on them... for now. i'm sure i'll hear on nancy grace about how gh was involved in the exploding of a gamers thumbs.

anything else out there that the media is taking out of context??? i can go on and on. just curious about you guys hearing/reading/seeing anything dumb like the above mentioned.

 

[trickster6487]

It is use, NOT abuse.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Interesting you said that hun, cause there was an article in IronMan Mag Sept 2007 where he said the same thing, but ended up with a different conclusion.

There are risks, and I request you never underestimate them.

Dorian Yates equated steroid use to smoking, some people are lighting up when they are 90, there are others that die young from heart disease or lung cancer.

People are not the same.

Also, as with smoking, it took nearly 40 years of scientific research to 'show' that smoking harmed your health.

It is the same with any multi-factorial disease such as heart disease or cancer, the big question is always - what causes it?

There are both genetic and environmental components, loads of them, so to pin-point one, especially when few are honest with the medical community about their use, and it is now considered unethical to do research with steroids.

I really doubt that there will ever be 'hard' scientific evidence, but bodies still could pile up.

And they have been.

Steroids may not have been the direct cause, but I do think they have played a part in a number of the early deaths of wrestlers, bodybuilders, powerlifters....................

I would also like you to consider what the medical community has revealed about another group of people that are on 'hormone replacement' most of their lives, women.

It is low, physiological doses in birth control pills and HRT with women, but studies keep coming out about risks (again it is difficult to prove, but it does seem to add risks of cancer and heart disease for women).

Some lads are taking massive supra-physiological doses.

Yes the media sensationalises things, but instead of getting angry, it may make more sense right now to be even more cautious, see if there is any damage control you can do.

Just be sensible, there is no 'magic' cycle that will have you get that great Olympian physique, and trying to take more to get it is only going to harm you in some way in the long run.

Hmmmmm. Very interesting post. I do agree that some powerlifters and BBs who have used have died at an early age. But the question is what else were they taking? Some were on lasix, others on rec drugs.

Ill agree that there is a risk and if you do a mega dose of juice it does increase your chances of some bad sides.

My point is the media, goverement and the general public are saying IT WILL kill you. I have ye3t to hear anything or any one say well there are risks in roid use they come straight out and say It will harm you and it will kill you. They cause heart attack and stroke. Where is the evidence? Where are the medical journals supporting this? There are more medical journals showing that a 13 wk cycle of 500mg(dose may be off but it is close) had little no side effects. The only reported acne and a bump in cholesterol. Which you being i the medical/research field should know oit is not just cholesterol that causes CAD and other like issues.

 

[Tatyana]

Hmmmmm. Very interesting post. I do agree that some powerlifters and BBs who have used have died at an early age. But the question is what else were they taking? Some were on lasix, others on rec drugs.

Ill agree that there is a risk and if you do a mega dose of juice it does increase your chances of some bad sides.

My point is the media, goverement and the general public are saying IT WILL kill you. I have ye3t to hear anything or any one say well there are risks in roid use they come straight out and say It will harm you and it will kill you. They cause heart attack and stroke. Where is the evidence? Where are the medical journals supporting this? There are more medical journals showing that a 13 wk cycle of 500mg(dose may be off but it is close) had little no side effects. The only reported acne and a bump in cholesterol. Which you being i the medical/research field should know oit is not just cholesterol that causes CAD and other like issues.

I will have a look for what I can find. You are right, it is a combo of enhancement drugs, but so many of the lads do SO MUCH self medicating.

There is also an issue with media literacy. I really notice a difference when I watch a news broadcast from the US or here in England. The media does love to sensationalise things.

The busts were mentioned here, but it was not massive news, no mention of steroids in bathtubs etc.

You have to admit though, there are people out there that are abusing gear.

Unfortunately, this is going to have an effect on those that don't abuse.

I have noticed a huge difference in the 'gear' boards that are UK based and those that are US based.

On the UK ones, in general, NO ONE gets any advice until they post up age, how long training, their diet, and the training and diet are always emphasised.

Young lads that start taking gear before some of the competitive BBers and older guys think is sensible get all sorts of abuse (pun intended).

Here, there is more of a trend just to give advice.

You guys have loads of great advice, there is a huge amount of years of experience as well.

I think it might be a good idea to check out people a bit more before giving advice. They may go ahead and do whatever they want to do, they may seek advice elsewhere if they don't like what they hear, but at least we have had a go at stopping the abuse.

Cause it has been the abuse cases that has drawn attention to the bodybuilding community.

 

[eddymerckx]

i don't even think it is the abuse cases--it's someone who did or was on gear who did something stupid and the media blame gear--not the fact that the person was nuts to begin with--