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needtogetarmy
CEO of Project Mayhem
Excellent Article:
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/FedCrimes/story?id=3802782&page=1
It is a very good read.
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/FedCrimes/story?id=3802782&page=1
It is a very good read.
Steroid Sting Fallout: 40,000+ users
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The Old Vet said:
"The use of anabolic steroids is exactly like playing Russian roulette with your body, because you have no idea where that product is actually coming from," said Special Agent John Gilbride, who heads up the DEA's New York field division.
I guess that is why they busted a lab that tested them????
PWTurbofan
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The Old Vet said:
"High school girls are taking steroids now to look better, to get more tone -- in some cases, to get that athletic edge as well," he added.
Before it wasn't so clear, but now I can truly see the dangers of roids; i'm glad that guy cleared it up for me!!
trickster6487
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this is soo gay. the DEA sucks balls. more ppl die of rec drug use instead of steroid use and rec drugs are soooooo easy to get ur hands on. ridiculous
needtogetarmy
CEO of Project Mayhem
PWTurbofan said:
ROFL. I know.
What else would we all expect from a crap hole outlet like ABC News?
airsmith2k
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fuck the dea they exaggerate the side effects sooo much....who the hell commits suicide due to using steriods lol???
Tweakle
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The high school thing started last year, and the media adds it on to any athlete getting busted - 'it's not just professional athletes we need to worry about! think of The Children!'. Anderson Cooper reported that 17% of ALL US school girls were using A AS.. the mind boggles.
While I like that the user comments on these articles show that the net-public is on 'our' side with this issue, I do wonder if the average retard soaking up TV news as fact is quite so objective about it. If so, then the DEA and media seem to be on a loser here.
While I like that the user comments on these articles show that the net-public is on 'our' side with this issue, I do wonder if the average retard soaking up TV news as fact is quite so objective about it. If so, then the DEA and media seem to be on a loser here.
trickster6487
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i dont even believe the news anymore. its all propaganda. download chamillionaire-the morning news. it explains it all
Pat_McCrotch
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fuck them. show me some fucking bodies where people have died from blod clots, strokes, heart attacks and link it to roids. if they can do this and show me this is the definitive cause then I will fucking stop juicing!!!!!!!!!!!
this one doc here was telling em about a guy that lost his legs d/t to rodis because he tore his quad. he blamed the quad tear on the roids. I asked him how does he know it was the roids. all the he could tell me was, "its obvious." i just laughed.
this one doc here was telling em about a guy that lost his legs d/t to rodis because he tore his quad. he blamed the quad tear on the roids. I asked him how does he know it was the roids. all the he could tell me was, "its obvious." i just laughed.
I agree. But even worse is how many people die from smoking and alcohol. But those big Phillip & Morris tabacco companies contribute money to certain political parties. It's all politics. Amazing you can go into a store and buy a pack of smokes which will kill ya quicker than roid use.
mmaboy
mmaboy
trickster6487 said:
Tatyana
Elite Mentor
errn247 said:
Interesting you said that hun, cause there was an article in IronMan Mag Sept 2007 where he said the same thing, but ended up with a different conclusion.
There are risks, and I request you never underestimate them.
Dorian Yates equated steroid use to smoking, some people are lighting up when they are 90, there are others that die young from heart disease or lung cancer.
People are not the same.
Also, as with smoking, it took nearly 40 years of scientific research to 'show' that smoking harmed your health.
It is the same with any multi-factorial disease such as heart disease or cancer, the big question is always - what causes it?
There are both genetic and environmental components, loads of them, so to pin-point one, especially when few are honest with the medical community about their use, and it is now considered unethical to do research with steroids.
I really doubt that there will ever be 'hard' scientific evidence, but bodies still could pile up.
And they have been.
Steroids may not have been the direct cause, but I do think they have played a part in a number of the early deaths of wrestlers, bodybuilders, powerlifters....................
I would also like you to consider what the medical community has revealed about another group of people that are on 'hormone replacement' most of their lives, women.
It is low, physiological doses in birth control pills and HRT with women, but studies keep coming out about risks (again it is difficult to prove, but it does seem to add risks of cancer and heart disease for women).
Some lads are taking massive supra-physiological doses.
Yes the media sensationalises things, but instead of getting angry, it may make more sense right now to be even more cautious, see if there is any damage control you can do.
Just be sensible, there is no 'magic' cycle that will have you get that great Olympian physique, and trying to take more to get it is only going to harm you in some way in the long run.
nzrodney
Banned
What pisses me is the use of the emotive word "abuse" which just puts us in with all the rec drug & criminal world. OK so some of us are not that squeaky clean, but for the best part the people I know are just going about their business not hurting anyone else & just trying to make the best of the physical body they have.
mustang_00
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i think it's one of those "a few bad apples ruins the bunch" kinda things.
they focus on the negatives more than the positives and you can't do that. It's just retarded! There's no way in hell you can compare a steroid user to a crack user. I've never heard of a steroid user robbing someone or killing someone for their next cycle. nancy grace is the anti christ for getting into heated debates that she knows nothing about! she's just relaying information from other idiots that know the same amount of nothing. It's our bodies and we live in a society where we "want it now." I feel you can't play favorites. if you want to make bettering your body illegal then you should outlaw plastic sugery. no more lipo no more face lifts,tummy tucks, no fake tits. imo those are equally as harmful and can lead to death just as much as steroids because they can have some sort of complications in the future. Let's see how many american's bitch about that. these are the things i feel that ruined it for the average SMART steroid user.
1. greg valentino (sp?) all the money he spent on steroids and just living his "up beat" life and the mother fucker was re using needles????? c'mon if you get them in bulk they average out to how many cents for each??? not only that but he video tapes himself doing his own abcess surgery?? what did it to for the AS community??? it made us look like a bunch of dirty needle poking retards!!! Its pretty fucked up they focused on all of that and really didn't get into the fact that he suffered from napoleon syndrome.
2. the mtv bull shit "true life" the only thing it showed was how easy it is to get steroids, and the side effects was always depression. The end of the gay dudes cycle he went to a shrink... because he was shakey and was going to off himself. lame! the short clip they showed of the parents talking about how their son committed suicide due to steriods. they started it off with baseball was his life, he would eat,sleep,shit baseball. he was always a little guy and the coaches wouldn't play him that much because of it. then we noticed him growing blah blah blah, he went to college got on the team, later got a bad grade and couldn't play anymore and broke furniture then ended it. was it because of steroids?? no you dumb shit you just said why he did what he did. baseball was his life and he got kicked off the team and school ending any chance he had at trying to go pro.... don't get me wrong it's sad when someone gives up like that but for them or anyone else to play the blame game and start pointing fingers at the wrong reasons isn't helping matters. everyone is mad about steriods and not mad at the fact that you have to look a certain way or be a certain size to do things. is it fucked up? imo yeah but that's life i guess. like in sports. you get paid more money for doing certain things. is it a pro athlets fault for wanting to perform better for that purpose? nope! if everyone was getting paid the same amount in sports even for being the best player, no one would play and no one would watch. on the brighter side the media blames video games for shootings instead of steroids. guess the AS community has that on them... for now. i'm sure i'll hear on nancy grace about how gh was involved in the exploding of a gamers thumbs.
anything else out there that the media is taking out of context??? i can go on and on. just curious about you guys hearing/reading/seeing anything dumb like the above mentioned.
they focus on the negatives more than the positives and you can't do that. It's just retarded! There's no way in hell you can compare a steroid user to a crack user. I've never heard of a steroid user robbing someone or killing someone for their next cycle. nancy grace is the anti christ for getting into heated debates that she knows nothing about! she's just relaying information from other idiots that know the same amount of nothing. It's our bodies and we live in a society where we "want it now." I feel you can't play favorites. if you want to make bettering your body illegal then you should outlaw plastic sugery. no more lipo no more face lifts,tummy tucks, no fake tits. imo those are equally as harmful and can lead to death just as much as steroids because they can have some sort of complications in the future. Let's see how many american's bitch about that. these are the things i feel that ruined it for the average SMART steroid user.
1. greg valentino (sp?) all the money he spent on steroids and just living his "up beat" life and the mother fucker was re using needles????? c'mon if you get them in bulk they average out to how many cents for each??? not only that but he video tapes himself doing his own abcess surgery?? what did it to for the AS community??? it made us look like a bunch of dirty needle poking retards!!! Its pretty fucked up they focused on all of that and really didn't get into the fact that he suffered from napoleon syndrome.
2. the mtv bull shit "true life" the only thing it showed was how easy it is to get steroids, and the side effects was always depression. The end of the gay dudes cycle he went to a shrink... because he was shakey and was going to off himself. lame! the short clip they showed of the parents talking about how their son committed suicide due to steriods. they started it off with baseball was his life, he would eat,sleep,shit baseball. he was always a little guy and the coaches wouldn't play him that much because of it. then we noticed him growing blah blah blah, he went to college got on the team, later got a bad grade and couldn't play anymore and broke furniture then ended it. was it because of steroids?? no you dumb shit you just said why he did what he did. baseball was his life and he got kicked off the team and school ending any chance he had at trying to go pro.... don't get me wrong it's sad when someone gives up like that but for them or anyone else to play the blame game and start pointing fingers at the wrong reasons isn't helping matters. everyone is mad about steriods and not mad at the fact that you have to look a certain way or be a certain size to do things. is it fucked up? imo yeah but that's life i guess. like in sports. you get paid more money for doing certain things. is it a pro athlets fault for wanting to perform better for that purpose? nope! if everyone was getting paid the same amount in sports even for being the best player, no one would play and no one would watch. on the brighter side the media blames video games for shootings instead of steroids. guess the AS community has that on them... for now. i'm sure i'll hear on nancy grace about how gh was involved in the exploding of a gamers thumbs.
anything else out there that the media is taking out of context??? i can go on and on. just curious about you guys hearing/reading/seeing anything dumb like the above mentioned.
trickster6487
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It is use, NOT abuse.
Pat_McCrotch
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tatyana_zadorozny said:
Hmmmmm. Very interesting post. I do agree that some powerlifters and BBs who have used have died at an early age. But the question is what else were they taking? Some were on lasix, others on rec drugs.
Ill agree that there is a risk and if you do a mega dose of juice it does increase your chances of some bad sides.
My point is the media, goverement and the general public are saying IT WILL kill you. I have ye3t to hear anything or any one say well there are risks in roid use they come straight out and say It will harm you and it will kill you. They cause heart attack and stroke. Where is the evidence? Where are the medical journals supporting this? There are more medical journals showing that a 13 wk cycle of 500mg(dose may be off but it is close) had little no side effects. The only reported acne and a bump in cholesterol. Which you being i the medical/research field should know oit is not just cholesterol that causes CAD and other like issues.
Tatyana
Elite Mentor
errn247 said:
I will have a look for what I can find. You are right, it is a combo of enhancement drugs, but so many of the lads do SO MUCH self medicating.
There is also an issue with media literacy. I really notice a difference when I watch a news broadcast from the US or here in England. The media does love to sensationalise things.
The busts were mentioned here, but it was not massive news, no mention of steroids in bathtubs etc.
You have to admit though, there are people out there that are abusing gear.
Unfortunately, this is going to have an effect on those that don't abuse.
I have noticed a huge difference in the 'gear' boards that are UK based and those that are US based.
On the UK ones, in general, NO ONE gets any advice until they post up age, how long training, their diet, and the training and diet are always emphasised.
Young lads that start taking gear before some of the competitive BBers and older guys think is sensible get all sorts of abuse (pun intended).
Here, there is more of a trend just to give advice.
You guys have loads of great advice, there is a huge amount of years of experience as well.
I think it might be a good idea to check out people a bit more before giving advice. They may go ahead and do whatever they want to do, they may seek advice elsewhere if they don't like what they hear, but at least we have had a go at stopping the abuse.
Cause it has been the abuse cases that has drawn attention to the bodybuilding community.
i don't even think it is the abuse cases--it's someone who did or was on gear who did something stupid and the media blame gear--not the fact that the person was nuts to begin with--
Pat_McCrotch
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tatyana_zadorozny said:
Yes we love to blow things up in the media. I hate that about the US.
There are a lot of folks that abuse roids. i agree and those who jump in way to early.
But as the age old debate goes, has anyone every broken into stolen or killed for thier next shot of Test.E? has anyone every juiced then drived then ran off a road and killed anyone?
As I am sure you know that the problem here is politics and pro sports. Maybe if we had it like the UK where a personal dose is legal then it would ease a lot of health concerns associated with bad gear.
Pat_McCrotch
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eddymerckx said:
This is also true.
Do yall remember the yates girl in houston texas that killed her kids in the bath tub?
She was just fucking crazy!!!! why is that a person who juices cant just be fucking crazy when they kill someone? why do roids have t be the blame?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? They are not to blame the media is to blame for making a non issue an issue.
Harleymarleybone
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tatyana_zadorozny said:
Bodies have piled up from aspirin, anti-depressants, allergic reactions to antibiotics, bicycle accidents (700 per year). Are steroids any more dangerous than these things?
Tatyana
Elite Mentor
Harleymarleybone said:
Don't get me started on anti-depressants!
They don't work on everyone, but what do you do when someone is so clinically depressed they may take their own life.
Not enough counsellors and psychologists available either.
Deaths from reactions to anti-B's and aspirin? I would love to see some of those stats about adverse drug reactions.
Comparing these drugs to steroids though is a bit of a non-sequitar, as they are used to treat medical conditions, and most of the people using steroids are using for athletic or physical enhancement.
Completely different thing. It is not like people NEED to take steroids, unless they have sarcopenia or some other medical condition.
I am not against people taking steroids, I quite like really muscular geared up men.
I would assert though that some people are really delusional and uneducated about their bodies, what steroids will actually do, the side effects...........
I have read post after post of some 18 year old hardgainer (male or female) who has been training for 2 months and thinks that steroids are the answer.
One of the most frightening ones I read recently was a woman who had been training 4 weeks and her 'coach' had her on something like 20 mg of test cyp every second day, for something like 16 weeks.
When I told my coach about it, she said, well let's just see how she feels about it in 6 months when her nails are breaking, her hair is falling out and she looks like a man.
A lot of people tried to give her advice, but she wouldn't listen to reason.
When everything does go pear-shaped for her, who do you think she is going to blame? Do you think she will be responsible and say, 'gee I was really a dumb-ass and didn't listen to anyone but my coach' or do you think she will start screaming about the evil of steroids?
All these people who have taken steroids and other combinations of drugs, had bad sides, not been responsible for their own actions..........This is what causes the bad press from this has resulted in the current media/political climate in the US.
I do think that the bodybuilding community needs to take some responsibility for the current crackdown on steroids, ranting about how stupid the DEA is, or how unfair it is, is not going to make a difference.
Taking care of people in our community when you KNOW they are doing something stupid or being irresponsible with their use will make a difference.
blacksabbath1987
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bottom line!!!!! it is all about the money and websites make it easy for the dea!! easy busts easy money makes it all look good to the goverment and the media has a field day with it.tatyana_zadorozny said:Don't get me started on anti-depressants!
They don't work on everyone, but what do you do when someone is so clinically depressed they may take their own life.
Not enough counsellors and psychologists available either.
Deaths from reactions to anti-B's and aspirin? I would love to see some of those stats about adverse drug reactions.
Comparing these drugs to steroids though is a bit of a non-sequitar, as they are used to treat medical conditions, and most of the people using steroids are using for athletic or physical enhancement.
Completely different thing. It is not like people NEED to take steroids, unless they have sarcopenia or some other medical condition.
I am not against people taking steroids, I quite like really muscular geared up men.
I would assert though that some people are really delusional and uneducated about their bodies, what steroids will actually do, the side effects...........
I have read post after post of some 18 year old hardgainer (male or female) who has been training for 2 months and thinks that steroids are the answer.
One of the most frightening ones I read recently was a woman who had been training 4 weeks and her 'coach' had her on something like 20 mg of test testosterone cypionate every second day, for something like 16 weeks.
When I told my coach about it, she said, well let's just see how she feels about it in 6 months when her nails are breaking, her hair is falling out and she looks like a man.
A lot of people tried to give her advice, but she wouldn't listen to reason.
When everything does go pear-shaped for her, who do you think she is going to blame? Do you think she will be responsible and say, 'gee I was really a dumb-ass and didn't listen to anyone but my coach' or do you think she will start screaming about the evil of steroids?
All these people who have taken steroids and other combinations of drugs, had bad sides, not been responsible for their own actions..........This is what causes the bad press from this has resulted in the current media/political climate in the US.
I do think that the bodybuilding community needs to take some responsibility for the current crackdown on steroids, ranting about how stupid the DEA is, or how unfair it is, is not going to make a difference.
Taking care of people in our community when you KNOW they are doing something stupid or being irresponsible with their use will make a difference.
Harleymarleybone
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tatyana_zadorozny said:
I see you have not shown steroids are more dangerous than these other things I mentioned. I was not addressing the question of the purpose of these drugs. Lots of people do not need to take aspirin and many other medications they are prescribed and sometimes die from. Bicycling and rock climbing have risks, too, but they are not made illegal, punishable activities. As far as the stats take a gander:
# (1996): "Each year, use of NSAIDs (Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs) accounts for an estimated 7,600 deaths and 76,000 hospitalizations in the United States." (NSAIDs include aspirin, ibuprofen, naproxen, diclofenac, ketoprofen, and tiaprofenic acid.)
Source: Robyn Tamblyn, PhD; Laeora Berkson, MD, MHPE, FRCPC; W. Dale Jauphinee, MD, FRCPC; David Gayton, MD, PhD, FRCPC; Roland Grad, MD, MSc; Allen Huang, MD, FRCPC; Lisa Isaac, PhD; Peter McLeod, MD, FRCPC; and Linda Snell, MD, MHPE, FRCPC, "Unnecessary Prescribing of NSAIDs and the Management of NSAID-Related Gastropathy in Medical Practice," Annals of Internal Medicine (Washington, DC: American College of Physicians, 1997), September 15, 1997, 127:429-438, from the web at http://www.acponline.org/journals/annals/15sep97/nsaid.htm, last accessed Feb. 14, 2001, citing Fries, JF, "Assessing and understanding patient risk," Scandinavian Journal of Rheumatology Supplement, 1992;92:21-4.
# (Average 1982-1998): According to Canadian researchers, approximately 32,000 hospitalized patients (and possibly as many as 106,000) in the USA die each year because of adverse reactions to their prescribed medications.
Source: Lazarou, J, Pomeranz, BH, Corey, PN, "Incidence of adverse drug reactions in hospitalized patients: a meta-analysis of prospective studies," Journal of the American Medical Association (Chicago, IL: American Medical Association, 1998), 1998;279:1200-1205, also letters column, "Adverse Drug Reactions in Hospitalized Patients," JAMA (Chicago, IL: AMA, 1998), Nov. 25, 1998, Vol. 280, No. 20, from the web at http://jama.ama-assn.org/issues/v280n20/ffull/jlt1125-1.html, last accessed Feb. 12, 2001.
Incidence
In the United States, approximately 550,000 serious allergic reactions to medications occur in a given year in hospitals.1 While it is unclear how prevalent drug allergies are among the general population, allergic reactions to medications cause the highest number of documented deaths from anaphylaxis each year. Penicillin alone accounts for an estimated 75% of the known annual U.S. anaphylaxis deaths.2,3 Most deaths occur in people who have had no medical history of allergic reactions.4
Common Culprits
The most common medications that cause allergic reactions (called allergenic medications) are:
* Penicillin
* Sulfa antibiotics
* Allopurinol
* Seizure and anti-arrhythmia medications
* Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDS, such as aspirin and ibuprofen)
* Muscle relaxants
* Certain post-surgery fluids
Other medications known to cause severe allergic reactions include vaccines, radiocontrast media, antihypertensives, insulin, and blood products.
For example, radiocontrast media (which are so-called "dyes" that are administered before radiologic procedures) are estimated to cause as many as 900 deaths per year from anaphylactoid reactions.5 Anaphylactoid reactions are nearly identical to anaphylaxis but are not triggered by IgE mediation. Anaphylactoid reactions are treated in the same manner as anaphylaxis.
http://www.epipen.com/causes_medications.aspx
Tatyana
Elite Mentor
Harleymarleybone said:
Thanks for the info, I was aware that there are adverse drug reactions.
I am also curious as to why you would think I would prove or disprove that these drugs are any more or less dangerous than steroids?
There is one small issue with the stats comparing and contrasting them.
I really don't think that any deaths attributed to ANY illegal drug will be accurate, just by the nature of it being illegal, and people will often not reveal that they are taking any illegal substance.
Even an overdose on cocaine, say a heart attack, may be logged as a heart attack unless a toxicology screen is done.
Things like contrast media would have very accurate statistics on how many people have an adverse reaction or die from its use.
That was not my point in my posts, I am not says STEROIDS ARE BAD.
ALL DRUGS carry a risk, I think you have demonstrated that.
Anabolic steroids are some of the most powerful drugs know to modern medicine (as well as the cytotoxic drugs).
Aspirin and anti-depressants and anti-biotics (with the exception of a few of the intravenous administered ones) look like toddlers next to these giants of a drug.
And most of the guys on a cycle would not even think twice about taking a combination of all four of these drugs, even though they all have a risk to them.
Suppose then an issue with liver toxicity or the cardiovascular system when taking all four drugs does arise?
What would you attribute it to?
I feel for you guys that do take performance enhancing drugs in a responsible manner, it must really be a nightmare situation for some of you right now.
It is not fair, it is not justice, but it is what is happening right now. It has torn apart a lot of groups of friends, business associations and communities (including on-line ones).
The point I want to stress is responsibility.
In some ways, the bodybuilding community becoming SO OPEN about steroids and the ancillaries made it an EASY TARGET.
I also request ask that people never underestimate the potency of these drugs, do their research, know the effects and potential sides, and watch out for others so that they don't make silly mistakes with cycles and a whole lot more common sense.
goku_kakarot77
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seriously man why cant the DEA leave us alone, they cant stop us doing from what we love
peace
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b_light
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The funny part is i know exactly where those stats come about girls taking a.a.s in highschool. In health class every year they would hand out a survey that you had to take about drug use and it was anon so the teacher would hand them out, leave the room for 5 mins and we'd all joke around showing each other our papers about how we all take every drug on that list to the highest amount listed on it. stupid fucks.
Harleymarleybone
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tatyana_zadorozny said:
Well, you said you would love to see the stats, so I provided them. The issue of proving or disproving how dangerous other drugs are, was in response to your statement that bodies were piling up from steroid use. I just find this sort of language to be the same sort of hyperbole you find in the sensationalized media. I don't see any bodies, and if there are, one has to put it into the proper perspective, since bodies can pile up from all sorts of things humans do, including bicycling, rock climbing and taking prescription drugs, like aspirin or antibiotics. Hence my comparison. You say that steroids are "giants" compared to these other drugs I mentioned which are "toddlers," but the stats show that these other "toddler" drugs end up directly killing thousands and thousands of people every year while there are very few if any cases where you can say steroids (the "giant" drugs) directly kill anybody (and I don't see any stats showing numbers who were indirectly killed by steroids either). So, what is your basis for calling steroids "giant" drugs and these other "toddlers"? Further, let's assume, as you say, that the stats for illegal drugs are not accurate. If that is true, then you really don't know if steroids are "giants" in terms of their effects and the others are toddlers. Also, steroids were legal in this country for a long period and still are in many countries, and there still are no stats that show any especially significant dangers (in the sense of bodies piling up) to steroid use. So, while I understand your concerns, I merely take issue with some of your descriptions which I don't think have much basis. According to the body of knowledge we presently have (future knowledge is mere speculation), steroids seem to be some of the safest drugs out there.
2raptors
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You know... it's all scare tactics...they have to MILK this story.... the intimation that the actual steriods caused that kids suicide was re-donkulous...and they quashed the wrecklessness of the statment by using the word: "apparently". very shitty reporting...very sensationalized.... working WITH the DEA to scare and continue the shake up.
BODIES are not piling up from steriod use...and you don't hear the insurance commission stating...HEALTH INSURANCE RATES ACROSS THE NATION ARE SKYROCKETING DUE TO ILLEGAL "MIS-USE" of STERIODS. It's just not happening....little numbers are "leaked" and are "misquoted"....the research has been done....steriods have NOT killed people in hospitals...they are utilized safely on children, hiv patients and other illnesses...with great success....
acchh, it just sucks even talking about it...I'm going to the gym
BODIES are not piling up from steriod use...and you don't hear the insurance commission stating...HEALTH INSURANCE RATES ACROSS THE NATION ARE SKYROCKETING DUE TO ILLEGAL "MIS-USE" of STERIODS. It's just not happening....little numbers are "leaked" and are "misquoted"....the research has been done....steriods have NOT killed people in hospitals...they are utilized safely on children, hiv patients and other illnesses...with great success....
acchh, it just sucks even talking about it...I'm going to the gym
Harleymarleybone
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2raptors said:
I call words like "apparently," possibly," "may" weasel words. They suggest something is true, but relieve the speaker of accountability, allowing them to weasel out of their statement, if they are called on it.
02gixxersix
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Also I'd be willing to bet most of those girls think hydroxycut and like substances are steroids. Tons of people still think creatine is a steroid. People are ignorant.b_light said:
DBBT
New member
"go ahead and drink and smoke yourself to death who gives a fuck we don't, if we took alchy away again we'd have ourselves some upset beer bellys. We need to let people eat and drink as much as they want to look as bad as they want but those steroid thingies really make you want roider rage."
USGOV.
USGOV.
BOWTECH
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Agree 100%. The drugs that are proven to kill people are 100% legal....lolDBBT said:"go ahead and drink and smoke yourself to death who gives a fuck we don't, if we took alchy away again we'd have ourselves some upset beer bellys. We need to let people eat and drink as much as they want to look as bad as they want but those steroid thingies really make you want roider rage."
Drink up!
Tatyana
Elite Mentor
DBBT said:"go ahead and drink and smoke yourself to death who gives a fuck we don't, if we took alchy away again we'd have ourselves some upset beer bellys. We need to let people eat and drink as much as they want to look as bad as they want but those steroid thingies really make you want roider rage."
Ten Most Dangerous Drugs
By Dr. Ben Kim on March 25, 2007 Health Warnings
According to a study published this month in The Lancet, alcohol and tobacco rank among the ten most dangerous substances used by humans. Both alcohol and tobacco have been assessed to be more dangerous than illegal drugs like marijuana or ecstasy.
The following three factors were considered in ranking the harmfulness of each drug that was evaluated:
Physical harm to the user
Addictive potential of the drug
The drug's overall impact on society
Psychiatrists who specialize in treating addictive behavior and legal or police officials with scientific or medical expertise were asked to assign a score to each of the three factors listed above for each drug that was evaluated in this study. All told, 20 different drugs were evaluated, including cocaine, heroin, ecstasy, amphetamines, and LSD.
Ranked from most to least dangerous, the ten most dangerous substances were deemed to be:
Heroin - popular street names include smack, skag, and junk.
Cocaine - often referred to as snow, flake, coke, and blow.
Barbiturates - popular slang names include yellow jackets, reds, blues, Amy's, and rainbows.
Street Methadone
Alcohol
Ketamine - a powerful hallucinogen, often referred to as Special K.
Benzodiazepines - a family of sedative drugs.
Amphetamines - known as greenies among baseball players.
Tobacco
Buprenorphine - also called bupe or subbies.
The remaining drugs that were assessed in this study ranked as follows:
Cannabis - includes marijuana.
Solvents - volatile substances that can be inhaled, such as glue, nail polish remover, paints, hair spray, and lighter fuel (gas).
4-MTA - is a derivative of amphetamine and has similar effects to ecstasy.
LSD
Methylphenidate - central nervous system stimulant, commonly sold as ritalin.
Anabolic steroids
GHB - short for Gamma hydroxybutyrate, a powerful central nervous system depressant, most commonly known as the date rape drug.
Ecstasy
Alkyl nitrates - group of drugs commonly referred to as poppers.
Khat - an amphetamine-like stimulant.
It is estimated that tobacco causes 40 percent of all hospital illnesses, while alcohol is involved in more than 50 percent of all visits to hospital emergency rooms. In light of these statistics, the authors of this study question why alcohol and tobacco are legal to use within current drug policies for Britain and the United States, while less harmful drugs like ecstasy and LSD are deemed illegal to use.
The bottom line: alcohol and tobacco are two of the most dangerous substances that you can expose yourself to on a regular basis. In terms of overall potential to cause harm, if used regularly, alcohol and tobacco belong in the same category as other recreational drugs like cocaine and heroin.
Interestingly, all the medical journals are now stating that being obese is causing more deaths than tobacco.
Harleymarleybone
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tatyana_zadorozny said:
Pat_McCrotch
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Harleymarleybone said:
Good info. I have heard numbers like these before. How many deaths are caused by roids?
I think the point we are all making is that roids are not the cause of these deaths. Like I have said before if they can show me the bodies of roid related deaths then I will stop
Tweakle
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did you get that list of A A S fatalities from Mark Mero? 
Precontest drugs used to kill bbers, not A AS.. anti-cortisol medication for cushings syndrome, a 'safe doctor prescribed medication' is what killed munzer and diuretics (popular with holier than thou naturals the world over) took momo and caused many others to get horribly sick.
Baseball players hooked on speed, Wrestlers doing massive amounts of painkillers mixed with alcohol, cocaine and all kinds of uppers and downers - but the A A S is what took them. Lyle having AIDS and being in denial but again, it was the A A S that did him in. Please.
Doing 5 grams a week and a bunch of orals for years on end isn't the safest lifestyle choice but who does that outside of a tiny handful of pros?
Obviously the DEA doesnt give a flying fuck about anyones health, they are run by political appointees and have to show results for pissing away trillions of dollars on 'the war on drugs'.
Precontest drugs used to kill bbers, not A AS.. anti-cortisol medication for cushings syndrome, a 'safe doctor prescribed medication' is what killed munzer and diuretics (popular with holier than thou naturals the world over) took momo and caused many others to get horribly sick.
Baseball players hooked on speed, Wrestlers doing massive amounts of painkillers mixed with alcohol, cocaine and all kinds of uppers and downers - but the A A S is what took them. Lyle having AIDS and being in denial but again, it was the A A S that did him in. Please.
Doing 5 grams a week and a bunch of orals for years on end isn't the safest lifestyle choice but who does that outside of a tiny handful of pros?
Obviously the DEA doesnt give a flying fuck about anyones health, they are run by political appointees and have to show results for pissing away trillions of dollars on 'the war on drugs'.
holy ghost
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MUNZER WAS BAD ASS!!! nelson interviewed him i think
ps, i guess im living like a wrestler!
ps, i guess im living like a wrestler!
sweatandscience
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The war on drugs can be won, if we (the government) really wanted to win.
I say this because just a few short years back a very threatening drug called ecstasy posed a unique challenge for the DEA, the law enforcement community, and some large corporations.
This drug threatened to erode the market for traditional drugs such as cocaine, and at the same time was projected to cut the profits of alcohol sales by a large percentage, particularly in bars. The drug, while dangerous, had few of the potentials for abuse and destruction that the traditional street drugs had, and was viewed by many to be a relatively safe drug when used responsibly.
The incentive was there and it was clear that the popularity of this drug had to be squashed, and quick. So not unlike we see here, the propaganda and scare campaign began - with the familiar over-exposed examples of the substances use by normal, average intelligent users "gone horribly wrong".
The campaign was so intense that at one point legislation was introduced that would have made it possible to charge a clubgoer with possesion of drug paraphernalia for holding a botted water in some surroundings.
Well, here we are a few years later, and there is little real ectasy to be found. What can be found are terrible concoctions of various drugs stamped to look like the ectasy pills of old. Ask most young people today, and they'd tell you ectasy is not that great....likely because they've only taken the garbage pills that suddenly mysteriously flodded the market.
The DEA has won this battle on drugs, clearly. The war on drugs machine can go on now, endlessly, with the heavy spending on the profitable war on cocaine. Local agencies still get their huge grants, foreign governments still get their millions, and those who have the power in this "war" continue to have it.
But most grateful are the liquor and beer lobby who spent millions on lobbying against ecstasy and now have the threat to profits successfully managed for several years to come.
If government wants to stamp out testosterone because no one company holds the patent and no one industry can profit, then it will be done to a great degree.
I say this because just a few short years back a very threatening drug called ecstasy posed a unique challenge for the DEA, the law enforcement community, and some large corporations.
This drug threatened to erode the market for traditional drugs such as cocaine, and at the same time was projected to cut the profits of alcohol sales by a large percentage, particularly in bars. The drug, while dangerous, had few of the potentials for abuse and destruction that the traditional street drugs had, and was viewed by many to be a relatively safe drug when used responsibly.
The incentive was there and it was clear that the popularity of this drug had to be squashed, and quick. So not unlike we see here, the propaganda and scare campaign began - with the familiar over-exposed examples of the substances use by normal, average intelligent users "gone horribly wrong".
The campaign was so intense that at one point legislation was introduced that would have made it possible to charge a clubgoer with possesion of drug paraphernalia for holding a botted water in some surroundings.
Well, here we are a few years later, and there is little real ectasy to be found. What can be found are terrible concoctions of various drugs stamped to look like the ectasy pills of old. Ask most young people today, and they'd tell you ectasy is not that great....likely because they've only taken the garbage pills that suddenly mysteriously flodded the market.
The DEA has won this battle on drugs, clearly. The war on drugs machine can go on now, endlessly, with the heavy spending on the profitable war on cocaine. Local agencies still get their huge grants, foreign governments still get their millions, and those who have the power in this "war" continue to have it.
But most grateful are the liquor and beer lobby who spent millions on lobbying against ecstasy and now have the threat to profits successfully managed for several years to come.
If government wants to stamp out testosterone because no one company holds the patent and no one industry can profit, then it will be done to a great degree.
Tweakle
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The difference being big Pharm actually makes a killing from A AS, which is why I'm suprised they let a few lunatics in congress upset the boat by starting the first witch-hunt back in the 90's.
Walgreens will sell you a bottle of nice, legal ana dro l for about $2000, good for small children with anemia but DEADLY POISON to grown adults who want to jack their bench press up a few lbs.
While Big Pharm was probably involved in the chinese busts, using the government agents as their enforcers to shake down the competition, it's a double edged sword.. tell a lie often enough, and as can be seen on this thread people will start to genuinely believe the anti AA S / g H propaganda
While it means they can sell at 10000% markups compared to 'filthy' homebrewers, in the long run it's bad karma to push the lie that something is deadly and dangerous when you're the ones trying to sell it to kids and AIDS patients.
I remember the first government war on ecstasy back in the 90's in the UK, laws passed regulating from the BPM of music that could be played in public and a huge media campaign over one stupid fat girl who took too much and didn't drink any water. Pills went to shit in the years after that, I can only imagine what todays mystery pills are actually made of when the originals cost many times more.
Walgreens will sell you a bottle of nice, legal ana dro l for about $2000, good for small children with anemia but DEADLY POISON to grown adults who want to jack their bench press up a few lbs.
While Big Pharm was probably involved in the chinese busts, using the government agents as their enforcers to shake down the competition, it's a double edged sword.. tell a lie often enough, and as can be seen on this thread people will start to genuinely believe the anti AA S / g H propaganda
While it means they can sell at 10000% markups compared to 'filthy' homebrewers, in the long run it's bad karma to push the lie that something is deadly and dangerous when you're the ones trying to sell it to kids and AIDS patients.
I remember the first government war on ecstasy back in the 90's in the UK, laws passed regulating from the BPM of music that could be played in public and a huge media campaign over one stupid fat girl who took too much and didn't drink any water. Pills went to shit in the years after that, I can only imagine what todays mystery pills are actually made of when the originals cost many times more.
