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who thinks this is a good idea and who doesn't?

are you cutting your life short by staying on?

can you run primobol between cycles without it keeping you shut down?
is there anyway to stay on without keeping your test production suppressed?
just wondering, on first cycle now, definetly not looking to do this now, but one day i might stay on test forever, would like to hear negative sides to hrt and the above questions. thanks
 
use IGF to bridge, you will keep your gains and it will let your natural test get back to normal as it is not suppressive. It's what I do :)
 
fcfmuaythai said:
use IGF to bridge, you will keep your gains and it will let your natural test get back to normal as it is not suppressive. It's what I do :)
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What about fertility? I don't know, that would suck to be not able.
 
let's say i went totally off (like i am now...for the first time in 9 months...about to do PCT)...would i shrink considerably in the 6 week off period? Im assuming i would...more importantly what id like to know is, when i start bulking up again...would i gain that muscle back quickly due to muscle memory and then be able to add upon that during my cycle? I know the fascia stretches once the muscle gets larger...so im assuming even when the muscle is stretched, even after steroid use, it stays stretched, the muscle just gets smaller...is this reasoning correct? Im basing this looking at guys like arnold, levrone etc, rather than just staying on 24/7...and taking small amounts during "off" periods in hopes of holding on to my above genetic potential muscle mass...
etc...id figure if i was in this for the long run...
so many bodybuilders these days are dropping likes flies from injecting juice in their body like vitamins...u gotta admit...
 
I don"t think bodybuilders are dieing from the gear.It has more to do with what else is going in the body and the diet.Holding an extra 50+ pounds of bodyweight is not good in the long run for the heart.How much weight you lose in the first 6 weeks depends on several things[diet,training,genetics,etc]. You should gain back what you lost when you start bulking again preatty quick.
 
gettnlarge01 said:
I don"t think bodybuilders are dieing from the gear.It has more to do with what else is going in the body and the diet.Holding an extra 50+ pounds of bodyweight is not good in the long run for the heart.How much weight you lose in the first 6 weeks depends on several things[diet,training,genetics,etc]. You should gain back what you lost when you start bulking again preatty quick.
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igf will do nothing you will see results the first week or two using it. but when the body realize there is something there it will adjust itself to your own natural insulin and balance out i tryed this and watched my results results. if you are going to do anything hgh is your best bet!!!!
 
I"ve used IGF-LR3 twice with good results both times. Ran MGF once with good reults and waiting to see how much stays with me. IF you think I"m talking about these types of things as being bad for you I "m not.I"m referring to the partying lifestyle that will put someone in the grave with or without steroids.
 
Ulter you say there is no evidence that long term moderate AS use has any ill effects on your health, but has there been any studies to actually prove this? If so could you please post them. I would like to read them. I'm not busting your balls. I'm just wondering if there is no evidence because no one has actually studied it. I do know that there is very little if any medical evidence that steroids have caused deaths. Some older men(60+) say they have been taking steroids for years and have no health problems. They do actually look better than the rest of the men there age. Like that man in the HBO real sports thing on steroids.
 
Stainless_Steel said:
Ulter you say there is no evidence that long term moderate AS use has any ill effects on your health, but has there been any studies to actually prove this? If so could you please post them. I would like to read them. I'm not busting your balls. I'm just wondering if there is no evidence because no one has actually studied it. I do know that there is very little if any medical evidence that steroids have caused deaths. Some older men(60+) say they have been taking steroids for years and have no health problems. They do actually look better than the rest of the men there age. Like that man in the HBO real sports thing on steroids.
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The fact is that there are no studies that prove its dangerous, and anecdotally, it seems to be quite the opposite. To supplement someone older (40+) is merely keeping them at the same level they were at when they were younger.. test keeps your muscles healthy, your brain healthy and your immune system strong.
 
mikefear said:
The fact is that there are no studies that prove its dangerous, and anecdotally, it seems to be quite the opposite. To supplement someone older (40+) is merely keeping them at the same level they were at when they were younger.. test keeps your muscles healthy, your brain healthy and your immune system strong.
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plenty of studies...but no peer reviewed journal articles conclusively linking AAS to serious health problems
 
Ulter said:
My current cycle began July 4, 2000 and will continue until I'm 100. Then I'll start my PCT.

There is no evidence that long term moderate AS use has any ill-effect on your health. In fact, without using Test post 40 your health will deteriorate.
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whats this cycle consist of?
 
My doctor right now is giving me 200mg every 2 weeks for the past couple of months and said probably will not stop for a while...I am young but, naturally have a low test level.... I do not see any problem with staying on forever except when people abuse it.
 
interesting thread. staying on can mean lot of different things. does it mean staying on full stacks of multiple steroids? does it mean bridging with a smaller does of test in between larger stacks?

i hate going off, and i hate PCT. but i do it. i can afford it and would just like to stay on. so far been following the time on=time off rule, but gotta admit my time on now WAY longer than my time off.
 
According to Harrison Pope at Harvard there are 2 million men using AS in the US. Where are all the dead bodies? Where are the thousands of men with health problems related to their AS use?

No there is no study showing long term use of AS is safe. Who would pay the mimimum $6 million dollars it would cost to do such a study? And why would they do it?

I posted this 2 years ago.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4242460&postcount=6


I use 500mg/test and 400mg/deca
 
Ulter said:
According to Harrison Pope at Harvard there are 2 million men using AS in the US. Where are all the dead bodies? Where are the thousands of men with health problems related to their AS use?

No there is no study showing long term use of AS is safe. Who would pay the mimimum $6 million dollars it would cost to do such a study? And why would they do it?

I posted this 2 years ago.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4242460&postcount=6


I use 500mg/test and 400mg/deca
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thats been your 6 year cycle? not to be gay but how are your balls?
so say you do 2 cycles a year and bridge with that, do you still do pct?
 
Ulter said:
According to Harrison Pope at Harvard there are 2 million men using AS in the US. Where are all the dead bodies? Where are the thousands of men with health problems related to their AS use?

No there is no study showing long term use of AS is safe. Who would pay the mimimum $6 million dollars it would cost to do such a study? And why would they do it?

I posted this 2 years ago.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4242460&postcount=6


I use 500mg/test and 400mg/deca
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damn u been on that for 6 years? y not every 6 months switch up the deca with EQ?
 
Ulter said:
My current cycle began July 4, 2000 and will continue until I'm 100. Then I'll start my PCT.

There is no evidence that long term moderate AS use has any ill-effect on your health. In fact, without using Test post 40 your health will deteriorate.
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I bow to you! I am not worthy! LOL! that sounds awesome I am thinking of staying on test forever too.
 
Assuming one were to decide to stay on starting at an earlier point in their life before HRT is necessary, would it ever be possible to recover after being on for a year or more? My fear is that my longer cycles, sometimes nearing a year, are going to hinder me from ever fully recovering if I decide to stop completely. Although I should note that in the past I have come off 5 and 8 month cycles and had a solid recovery with all blood values returning to normal ranges except for high cortisol during my last PCT.
 
Ulter said:
According to Harrison Pope at Harvard there are 2 million men using AS in the US. Where are all the dead bodies? Where are the thousands of men with health problems related to their AS use?

No there is no study showing long term use of AS is safe. Who would pay the mimimum $6 million dollars it would cost to do such a study? And why would they do it?

I posted this 2 years ago.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4242460&postcount=6


I use 500mg/test and 400mg/deca
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wow, is that your bridge or your cycle? what does the other look like then
 
Testes are just fine thanks. HCG every month takes care of that.
Yes all year round.
I love my results. I change up my gear once in a while to suit my goals for the season.

Right now I am recovering from tearing off my bicep tendon a few weeks ago. They stapled it back on the bone and I am wearing a brace for 6 week. 6 months for full recovery. So I am shrinking. :) Still holding the same dosing though so not so much.
 
Ulter said:
Testes are just fine thanks. HCG every month takes care of that.
Yes all year round.
I love my results. I change up my gear once in a while to suit my goals for the season.

Right now I am recovering from tearing off my bicep tendon a few weeks ago. They stapled it back on the bone and I am wearing a brace for 6 week. 6 months for full recovery. So I am shrinking. :) Still holding the same dosing though so not so much.
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Good luck with the recovery.............
 
Ulter said:
Testes are just fine thanks. HCG every month takes care of that.
Yes all year round.
I love my results. I change up my gear once in a while to suit my goals for the season.

Right now I am recovering from tearing off my bicep tendon a few weeks ago. They stapled it back on the bone and I am wearing a brace for 6 week. 6 months for full recovery. So I am shrinking. :) Still holding the same dosing though so not so much.
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OUCH!!!!
 
That is totally interesting. So the longer you stay on probably and I of course am assuming from those I have heard from that you may be more prone to injuries perhaps due to your muscles growing stronger than your tendons and ligaments etc is that true or do you believe that theory to be true? If so then it would seem like for a month every few months you would want to just focus on strenthening your lig's tend's by doing low weights and high reps? What do you think Yeah? Nea?
 
bump cob's question and also, how do you run your hcg once per month? just wondering? like what doses, eod ed or ? thanks bro
 
You only run into injuries if you don't let your connective tissue catch up to your muscle growth. You just can't rush it. You're not as likely to have a problem if you have experience in the gym and have a lot of mature muscle. It's the guys who are not big and try to be big in a hurry that get hurt.

1000iu/day for ten days
 
lazer84 said:
What about fertility? I don't know, that would suck to be not able.
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Children Are So Overated-from nomarriage.com

There is an unspoken taboo in our society where if you admit that having kids wasn't quite what you thought it would be and that if you could do it all over again that you would have chosen NOT to have kids, that you are a monster, an evil, despicable monster.
The truth is a large percentage of parents HATE being parents. They will never say it out loud and they can't even admit that to themselves because "only an evil demon" would come to that conclusion, they think.

However, underneath it all, underneath all the B.S. is the truth that we all know:

Children are overrated.

For every precious moment where the little brat does something special, there are 1,000 moments where they drive you crazy.

They literally tear your life upside down. Marriage, sex life, your wives appearance, your social life, the list goes on and on and on.

Oh yeah, the worst part is yet to come - the teenage years. I could write volumes on this subject.

The reason people have children is because of this unwritten societal norm where the standard is to get married and immediately begin to produce offspring because "that's the thing to do".

Here's another fact for you if you're interested in the subject: the highest points of martial satisfaction are: 1) after the kids leave and 2) before the kids were born. Look it up, it's true.

I decided not to have kids or a wife...
And haven't regretted it one bit!!! I look at all my sorry faced friends straining to make ends meet, having the endless honey do lists, soccer games, Dr bills, bitching, whinny little brats, debt up their asses!!.....and me....well I focused on work and saving money and have no debt, date all different kinds of women, no strings attached, buying a brand new custom house that my friends and family can only dream about, and will be able to retire at 45.....

Yea, I may grow up old and have no one but look....most of you will be divorced and so broke after raising kids, alimony, child support, kids college...that you will have nothing to show for it when you are 65 and still have to work till your are dead......sorry thats reality.

My relatives have given up asking. They know better. Then someone always pulls me aside and says, "I would love to have your life".

I think most people end up having kids because 1) They're too stupid to know how to use birth control properly and/or 2) They have an idealistic, completely unrealistic vision of what parenthood entails.
People imagine dressing their daughter in pretty clothes, or playing catch with their son. They don't think about being awoken at 2 a.m. by a sick, screaming kid who just threw up all over the bed, and who doesn't give a shit that you have to get up for work in four hours. They don't think about the mortgage company threatening to foreclose, or the electricity being shut off, because the husband can't pay all the bills on one income.

More people should think about these things, and fewer people should be having children. Parenthood should be left to those few couples who are willing to take the good with the bad.
 
BigCracker said:
Children Are So Overated-from nomarriage.com

There is an unspoken taboo in our society where if you admit that having kids wasn't quite what you thought it would be and that if you could do it all over again that you would have chosen NOT to have kids, that you are a monster, an evil, despicable monster.
The truth is a large percentage of parents HATE being parents. They will never say it out loud and they can't even admit that to themselves because "only an evil demon" would come to that conclusion, they think.

However, underneath it all, underneath all the B.S. is the truth that we all know:

Children are overrated.

For every precious moment where the little brat does something special, there are 1,000 moments where they drive you crazy.

They literally tear your life upside down. Marriage, sex life, your wives appearance, your social life, the list goes on and on and on.

Oh yeah, the worst part is yet to come - the teenage years. I could write volumes on this subject.

The reason people have children is because of this unwritten societal norm where the standard is to get married and immediately begin to produce offspring because "that's the thing to do".

Here's another fact for you if you're interested in the subject: the highest points of martial satisfaction are: 1) after the kids leave and 2) before the kids were born. Look it up, it's true.

I decided not to have kids or a wife...
And haven't regretted it one bit!!! I look at all my sorry faced friends straining to make ends meet, having the endless honey do lists, soccer games, Dr bills, bitching, whinny little brats, debt up their asses!!.....and me....well I focused on work and saving money and have no debt, date all different kinds of women, no strings attached, buying a brand new custom house that my friends and family can only dream about, and will be able to retire at 45.....

Yea, I may grow up old and have no one but look....most of you will be divorced and so broke after raising kids, alimony, child support, kids college...that you will have nothing to show for it when you are 65 and still have to work till your are dead......sorry thats reality.

My relatives have given up asking. They know better. Then someone always pulls me aside and says, "I would love to have your life".

I think most people end up having kids because 1) They're too stupid to know how to use birth control properly and/or 2) They have an idealistic, completely unrealistic vision of what parenthood entails.
People imagine dressing their daughter in pretty clothes, or playing catch with their son. They don't think about being awoken at 2 a.m. by a sick, screaming kid who just threw up all over the bed, and who doesn't give a shit that you have to get up for work in four hours. They don't think about the mortgage company threatening to foreclose, or the electricity being shut off, because the husband can't pay all the bills on one income.

More people should think about these things, and fewer people should be having children. Parenthood should be left to those few couples who are willing to take the good with the bad.
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missing out bro
 
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