Starting second cycle on monday :)

[IceIzNoble]

Rightio everyone.
I plan to start my cycle next monday (08/08/2011)

Will be keeping a log with stats and what I feel

I'm 5'9 180lbs 11%

Wk 1-15 Test Enanthate 600mg/wk
Wk 1-4 Oral Turinabol 50mg/ED
Wk 1-4 Proviron 75mg/ED
(If I notice gyno, Arimidex at 0.5mg ED)

PCT (2 weeks after final shot):
HCGenerate
Proviron
100/50/50 Clomid
20/20/20/20 Nolvadex

IcE

 

[EZ_E]

Rightio everyone.
I plan to start my cycle next monday (08/08/2011)

Will be keeping a log with stats and what I feel

I'm 5'9 180lbs 11%

Wk 1-15 Test Enanthate 600mg/wk
Wk 1-4 Oral Turinabol 50mg/ED
Wk 1-4 Proviron 75mg/ED
(If I notice gyno, Arimidex at 0.5mg ED)

PCT (2 weeks after final shot):
100/50/50 Clomid
20/20/20/20 Nolvadex

IcE

Nice cycle butttttt....A few questions mate;

How old are you?

What # cycle is this?

~EZ

 

[gymjunkie09]

Rightio everyone.
I plan to start my cycle next monday (08/08/2011)

Will be keeping a log with stats and what I feel

I'm 5'9 180lbs 11%

Wk 1-15 Test Enanthate 600mg/wk
Wk 1-4 Oral Turinabol 50mg/ED
Wk 1-4 Proviron 75mg/ED
(If I notice gyno, Arimidex at 0.5mg ED)

PCT (2 weeks after final shot):
100/50/50 Clomid
20/20/20/20 Nolvadex

IcE

i like it, nice and simple. I would run the tbol a week or two longer at a slightly higher dose and extend the proviron and run it more toward the back end of the cycle at 50mg ed. Dont know about the pct though but if it works for you then why change it

 

[IceIzNoble]

22 years old, 2nd cycle
tbol for longer than 4-5 weeks isn't worthwhile I heard?
And I was thinking of running proviron towards the end of the cycle << heard its good for this

I'll let you all know how I get on

IcE

 

[IceIzNoble]

I'm also gonna add some HCGenerate and proviron for PCT

 

[C.K.]

i like it, nice and simple. I would run the tbol a week or two longer at a slightly higher dose and extend the proviron and run it more toward the back end of the cycle at 50mg ed. Dont know about the pct though but if it works for you then why change it

exactly what he said

 

[Stryker1992]

Looks pretty good. I would possibly add Bridge and a test booster after pct. It really helps keep natty test levels up and keeps motivation, sex drive going. DAA or phytoserms work well as does Forged Post Cycle.

 

[IceIzNoble]

C.K you have an amazing physique :O (no homo), dedication and knowledge >>>>>>>>>>>>> training / nutrition / rest

 

[phenom16]

I know you are gonna do what you are gonna do but 2nd cycle at 22? It's good you are here looking for input but bro at 22 your natty test levels should be through the roof! This is the time to take advantage of that and pack on slabs of muscle naturally and get close to your genetic limit for the next 6 to 8 years THEN think about adding aas. Just my two cents. If you are he'll bent on doing them then make sure you run a solid pct so you don't f up yourself for life.

 

[EZ_E]

I know you are gonna do what you are gonna do but 2nd cycle at 22? It's good you are here looking for input but bro at 22 your natty test levels should be through the roof! This is the time to take advantage of that and pack on slabs of muscle naturally and get close to your genetic limit for the next 6 to 8 years THEN think about adding aas. Just my two cents. If you are he'll bent on doing them then make sure you run a solid pct so you don't f up yourself for life.

Agreed....I was going to say 600 mg's is too much but now it's wayyyyyy too much...

Ditch the clomid and nolva and replace it with Unleashed and Post Cycle...

~EZ

 

[Sust 350]

Nice cycle butttttt....A few questions mate;

How old are you?

What # cycle is this?

~EZ

Why didn't Nelson also get a warning for making fun of me on my thread and I get the only warning? You didn't have to close down my thread, Nelson was rude to me. You didn't reply to my message I wrote to you, why?

 

[IceIzNoble]

Whats are results like on test e 300mg/EW compared to 600mg/EW.
Assuming constant diet, training and rest.
IOW, what effect does doubling the dose have?
Or is it dependant on more variables?

IcE

 

[Pmoney425]

300 way to low gotta do at least 500 mg a week bud

 

[djbyrnie]

I'm also gonna add some HCGenerate and proviron for PCT

Isn't Proviron a steroid itself ? why would you add that to pct?
Serious question, not taking the piss.

 

[C.K.]

C.K you have an amazing physique :O (no homo), dedication and knowledge >>>>>>>>>>>>> training / nutrition / rest

thank you sir

 

[gymjunkie09]

Isn't Proviron a steroid itself ? why would you add that to pct?
Serious question, not taking the piss.

proviron won't do much of anything without test, in that case it will free up more test. But the concept of pct is the get your natural levels of test back up to normal level asap in order to maintain gains. So what you want is something like hcgenerate that help boost your natural test levels. Proviron is a poor choice for pct, but a great addition to your cycle

 

[Pmoney425]

Piviron is used on cycle never heard off.... Clomid and Nolvadex block estrogen receptors, Proviron prevents most aromatization. So in other words, no water retention, no bloat and one would think that most gains are kept, muscles are harder.

 

[djbyrnie]

proviron won't do much of anything without test, in that case it will free up more test. But the concept of pct is the get your natural levels of test back up to normal level asap in order to maintain gains. So what you want is something like hcgenerate that help boost your natural test levels. Proviron is a poor choice for pct, but a great addition to your cycle

Yeah that's what I thought, thanks for confirming.

 

[IceIzNoble]

My balls have minimal shrinkage on cycle with proviron btw :0.
Makes me think it stimulates testes to an extent.

IcE

 

[Pmoney425]

I would only use proviron or adex if signs of gyno durring cycle but also safe for use with... My body is all good test throughout and a strong pct and im good

 

[gymjunkie09]

I would only use proviron or adex if signs of gyno durring cycle but also safe for use with... My body is all good test throughout and a strong pct and im good

Proviron is not an answer for gyno nor is it an a.i, it is a STEROID. Although it will help to a degree with water retention it is mainly used for its fat loss and hardening properties as well as freeing up more test and increased libido


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[Pmoney425]

You should be aware that Proviron is also an estrogen antagonist which prevents the aromatization of steroids. Unlike the antiestrogen Nolvadex which only blocks the estrogen receptors (see Nolvadex) Proviron already prevents the aromatizing of steroids. Therefore gynecomastia and increased water retention are successfully blocked. Since Proviron strongly suppresses the forming of estrogens no re-bound effect occurs after discontinuation of use of the compound as is the case with, for example, Nolvadex where an aromatization of the steroids is not prevented. One can say that Nolvadex cures the problem of aromatization at its root while Nolvadex simply cures the symptoms. For this reason male athletes should prefer Proviron to Nolvadex. With Proviron the athlete obtains more muscle hard-ness since the androgen level is increased and the estrogen concen-tration remains low. This, in particular, is noted positively during the preparation for a competition when used in combination with a diet.

 

[gymjunkie09]

You should be aware that Proviron is also an estrogen antagonist which prevents the aromatization of steroids. Unlike the antiestrogen Nolvadex which only blocks the estrogen receptors (see Nolvadex) Proviron already prevents the aromatizing of steroids. Therefore gynecomastia and increased water retention are successfully blocked. Since Proviron strongly suppresses the forming of estrogens no re-bound effect occurs after discontinuation of use of the compound as is the case with, for example, Nolvadex where an aromatization of the steroids is not prevented. One can say that Nolvadex cures the problem of aromatization at its root while Nolvadex simply cures the symptoms. For this reason male athletes should prefer Proviron to Nolvadex. With Proviron the athlete obtains more muscle hard-ness since the androgen level is increased and the estrogen concen-tration remains low. This, in particular, is noted positively during the preparation for a competition when used in combination with a diet.

which is basically what I said in not so many words lol. The debate started when you stated only to use proviron if signs of gyno occur which is not why people use. It's used for the reasons I stated above along with what you have copied and pasted here. Letro is the only drug proven to reverse symptons of gyno which is why it should always be kept on hand but only used in this circumstance IMO becuase it will dry out joints and kill your libido and who wants that?