starting out need some advice

[JDM92Prelude]

i am 21 years old, 195 lbs, 5'9"...i want to start a cycle but dont know what to use...i have some fat on me so i am looking more to cut up than bulk up...i did a search but no luck so here are my questions:

How much would a cycle of Deca cost?
How often would i use Deca a week?
For a first timer would it be ok to use Deca and Sus together?
if so what would a good cycle be?

 

[Juice Authority]

For a beginner cycle the best steriod to start with is Sust 250. A dose of 250 mg per week or 500 mg every 10 days is about all you need of the Sustanon to get good results. A steroid novice can expect to gain about 20 pounds within a couple of months by using only 250 mg of Sustanon a week.

Because of the blend of testosterones in Sustanon a person can use less sustanon and still get results and see less side effects.

 

[JDM92Prelude]

i was told that sus mostly adds weight on...i am looking to get defination...would taking sus help with that (keep in mind i will be on a diet and cardio plan) or would deca be better for what i am looking for?

 

[Dnkypnch]

just wondering where you got your info that sustenon is the best novice steroid?

 

[Juice Authority]

just wondering where you got your info that sustenon is the best novice steroid?

http://www.muscleitup.co.za/SHREDDA/SUSTANON 250.htm

 

[Jimsbbc]

That is common knowledge. Sust is a great anabolic compared to anything IMO. If you can run 500mg sust and 250mg deca a week for 8 weeks you be will happy with the results. That is a very mild cycle. Just make sure you have clomid for after.

The first cycle i ever did was a total of 6 sust redis and put on 25 lbs in 8 weeks. It works.

 

[JDM92Prelude]

i am not tring to bulk up that much that much...my goal is to get some bluk but not to much where i start to lose my neck...500mg sus is what i was told to take but should i take 250mg deca with it?

 

[Juice Authority]

i was told that sus mostly adds weight on...i am looking to get defination...would taking sus help with that (keep in mind i will be on a diet and cardio plan) or would deca be better for what i am looking for?

You won't blow up too bad on Sust but if you're looking for definition my suggestion would be to take Winstrol (preferable injections vs. pills - Zambon's are the best) with Anavar.

Anavar is one of the best and most effective orals out there. Yeah, it's more expensive than D-bol but it's 3x as good. This steroid is No. 1 for gaining strength without water weight. It also stacks very well with D-bol for size.

 

[Dnkypnch]

I'm going to have to disagree on this. A single acting ester such as cyp or enan would be better IMO. When using sust, blood levels arent close to being stable unless shot ed or eod because of the 4 different acting esters. IMO its overrated unless shooting ed or eod.

 

[JDM92Prelude]

kinda new to this so i dont know what "shot ed or oed" means...but i am not looking to take a cutter also...i was planning on using sus/deca to bulk and cardio/diet to cut but i am asking which roid will be better to use that i wont gain a lot of fat with it

 

[Dnkypnch]

kinda new to this so i dont know what "shot ed or oed" means...but i am not looking to take a cutter also...i was planning on using sus/deca to bulk and cardio/diet to cut but i am asking which roid will be better to use that i wont gain a lot of fat with it

ed is every day and eod is every other day. Well if your looking to bulk then test/deca would be a good cycle for this. When bulking just try to eat clean to avoid putting on extra fat. You will definatly hold some water from test/ deca so you might wanna throw in some arimidex/liquidex. Another option would be test/eq which imo would be better for what your looking for. Hope this helps

 

[SwitchedOn]

Good first cycle hmm, all depends on your goals. Sust is used quite often as a bulking anabolic however can be used as a base for shedding fat and bulking up. I wouldn't go as high as 500mg/week, although I know others would definitely disagree. 3 years ago I would agree with that but not now. As far as cost for deca it depends on length of cycle, dosage/week, source cost, goals of cycle, etc.
Fat loss or gain is subjective to diet. You can definitely cut up with sust/deca or cut after bulking with this cycle. Diet is the main key, whether on or off cycle it must be around 80% of the overall journey to a decent physique.
BTW EOD means Every Other Day
ED means Every Day
Also I don't care what any site thinks, Sust 250 because of the blend isn't as simple or "beginner" as everyone thinks. I agree with Dnkypnch as to a longer ester- enth, cyp- as a base test for a beginner cycle, preferably cyp.
Wow, since when is 500mg Sust/week and 250mg Deca/week a mild cycle? Also, Jim, I find it hard to believe you gained 25lbs in eight weeks from 6 sust redis. Alot of bloat I guess.

Try this, especially for cutting up and gaining lean lbs at the same time:

Week 1-10: Test cyp. 400mg/week
Week 1-10: Deca 200mg/week
Week 13-15: clomid

You can shorten that cycle up to about 8 weeks but in that case I'd add in another steroid, preferably 50mg winny/day, for the last few weeks. Also to cut up after bulking you can look into other substances such as clen and ECA. There are other cutting gears out there but they are better left to more experienced gear users. I won't mention them in a post to a newbie.

 

[JDM92Prelude]

thanks for the help...my friend sells so he will get sell to me the normal prices he gets them for (13 for sust, not sure about deca) figure he gets deca 3-5 under normal price what would it cost me for a 10 week cycle with 200mg/week? also what is clomid used for?

 

[JDM92Prelude]

just searched its a anti-e...alright so how much on average would that cycle cost and what gains would i expect? my main goal is to lean out and get cut...hmm best way i can descrbe it is Vin Diesel only 15 lbs lighter...i understand this will take more than 1 cycle but it gives you an idea of my overall goal

 

[Dnkypnch]

no offense bro, but i think you may want to learn a little more before you start a cycle.

 

[JDM92Prelude]

no offense bro, but i think you may want to learn a little more before you start a cycle.

thats why i am here asking...i dont plan to start yet, i could if i want to tomorrow but i am waiting till i know enough so that i dont hurt myself or waste my money

 

[Surgical]

It sounds like you're contradicting yourself. Either you want to cut or bulk, you can't really do both at the same time. Although you can put on some good lean mass with Winny and Tren. I used Tren wiht some test and winny and got very lean with no cardio. All depends on your body type though.

Deca isn't really a good drug for cutting, IMO. Stick with things that help retain your muscle, Primobolan, Winny, Anavar, Clenbuterol. Actually, that's going to be my cutting cycle for a contest this spring, along with a little T3.

 

[Dnkypnch]

Here bro hope this helps. Took this from steroidology.com


Clomid: Frequently Asked Questions by The Iron Game
Something I put together that may help some of the new comers out there as well as some of the more experienced.

Question: What is Clomid?

Answer: Clomid is a synthetic estrogen and is generally prescribed by doctors to trigger ovulation in females.

Question: Why Should Bodybuilders use Clomid?

Answer: Almost all anabolic androgenic steroids will cause an inhibition of the bodies own testosterone production. When he comes off the steroids he has no natural test production and no more steroids. The body is left in a state of catabolism (catabolic hormones are high and anabolic hormones are low) and as a result much of the muscle tissue that was gained on the cycle is now going to be lost. Clomid stimulates the hypophysis to release more gonadotropin so that a faster and higher release of follicle stimulating hormone aud luteinizing hormone occurs. This results in an increase of the body's own testosterone production.

Question: Does Clomid also work as an anti estrogen?

Answer: Clomid is a synthetic estrogen, however it does also work as an anti-estrogen. How does it work? Because it is a weak synthetic estrogen, it will bind to the estrogen receptor (ER) and not cause any problems. At the same time the increase in estrogen from steroids are blocked from attaching to the ER.

Question: How effective is Clomid as an anti-estrogen?

Answer: It is very weak and should not be relied upon if you are going to be using steroids that aromatise at any rapid rate, or if you are pre disposed to gyno. Arimidex, Proviron and Nolvadex will all make better choices for this purpose.

Question: Some say Clomid during a cycle is a waste, is this true?

Answer: Lets first examine what happens when someone is using anabaolic androgenic steroids. When the level of androgens in the body get too high, the androgen receptor becomes more highly activated, and the hypothalamus stops sending a signal to the pituitary. In short the signal tells our body to stop producing testosterone. During a cycle the body has higher levels than normal of androgens and as long as this level is high enough clomid will not help to keep natural test production up. It will be almost all but completely shut off. The only purpose of clomid during a cycle is as an anti-estrogen.

Question: When do I start Clomid? Some say 2 weeks others 3.

Answer: When you start using your clomid all depends on what steroids you were using during your cycle. Different steroids have different half lifes and you should adjust your clomid intake accordingly. As we have seen above, if we take clomid when the androgen levels in our body is still high it will be a waste. We need to wait for androgen levels to fall before implementing our clomid therapy. However if we take it too late we could possibly lose gains. Look at the list below to determine when you should start clomid therapy. By selecting from the list all the steroids you used in your cycle and which ever one has the latest starting point then go with that. For example if I cycled dbol, sustanon and winstrol I would use sustanon as it remains active in the body for the longest period of time.

Anadrol/Anapolan: 8 - 12 hours after last administration
Deca: 3 weeks after last injection and clomid for 4 weeks
Dianabol: 4 – 8 hours after last administration
Equipoise: 3 weeks after last injection
Fina: 3 days after last injection
Primobolan depot: 10 – 14 days after last injection
Sustanon: 3 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Cypionate: 2 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Enanthate: 2 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Propionate: 3 days after last injection
Testosterone Suspension: 4 – 8 hours after last administration
Winstrol: 8 – 12 hours after last administration

Question: What is the most effective way for Clomid therapy.

Answer: Clomid has a long half life and as such there is no need to split up doses throughout the day. I read some where that it was 5 days (any feedback on this). Now if we used sustanon and we start using clomid 3 weeks after our last injection we anticipate that androgen levels are low enough to start sending the correct signals. If androgen levels are still a little high then the normal 50mgs/day of clomid for 1 week is not going to be effective. We need to start at a high enough amount that will work or help even if androgen levels are still a little high. 300mgs on day 1. I know I said don’t split it up due to its long half life but try and split this up 2 tabs 3 times a day. After we have finished this first day we seek to use 100mgs for 10 days and then followed by 50mgs for 10 days.

Question: Do I need to use Clomid for 3 weeks?

Answer: Why don’t you want too? It is very cheap, very effective and can mean the difference between maintaining gains and losing them.

Question: How cheap is Clomid?

Answer: Clomid normally comes in 50mg tablets but also comes in capsule form of 25mgs. A 50mg tablet can be anywhere between 25 cents and $2.50. (15 pence and 75 pence in England).

Question: Do all steroids cause shut down of the hpta.

Answer: Not all steroids do. Everyone is different and you must also take into account how long you have been using a certain steroid and at what dose in order to determine if you need clomid or not. However as the price is so cheap, why risk not using it.

 

[Dnkypnch]

thats why i am here asking...i dont plan to start yet, i could if i want to tomorrow but i am waiting till i know enough so that i dont hurt myself or waste my money

your making the right decision by not rushing in. good job

 

[SwitchedOn]

Now I understand why alot of posts like this aren't replied to by mods/vets. Not to say that inquiries like this don't get addressed by them- it's just the frustration must be overwhelming
Prelude, I'd hate to run you off to somewhere else where the advice might be substandard but damn bro you need to do some research.
What, you think you can jab yourself with a syringe a few times and suddenly you will look like your idol Vin Diesel? Sorry if I sound like an ass but pull your thumb out, quit being lazy and do your own research.
This is the difference between distributing needles to junkies to slow the spread of HIV and hepatitis- and leaving junkies to their own problems...
Some will argue that everyone else- including me- started out like this. Sorry but that isn't true. I read for hundreds of hours- many months- before I posted a question on this or any other board.
For Christ' sake do your damn research people. Jesus

 

[JDM92Prelude]

i said and i quote "i understand this will take more than 1 cycle but it gives you an idea of my overall goal" i have working out for about 3 years with a 3 year down time in the middle...i am only asking a few questions but when someone will throw something in that i dont know i will ask about that...my main question was quite simple and to the point...for a first time cycle is sust and deca a good mix or should i take one or the other by itself...i understand i might be asking questions you see everyday and might be frustrated but when it comes to this it kinda needs to be asked everytime because everyone is different so what is good for one person might not be good for me

 

[Juice Authority]

Now I understand why alot of posts like this aren't replied to by mods/vets. Not to say that inquiries like this don't get addressed by them- it's just the frustration must be overwhelming
Prelude, I'd hate to run you off to somewhere else where the advice might be substandard but damn bro you need to do some research.
What, you think you can jab yourself with a syringe a few times and suddenly you will look like your idol Vin Diesel? Sorry if I sound like an ass but pull your thumb out, quit being lazy and do your own research.
This is the difference between distributing needles to junkies to slow the spread of HIV and hepatitis- and leaving junkies to their own problems...
Some will argue that everyone else- including me- started out like this. Sorry but that isn't true. I read for hundreds of hours- many months- before I posted a question on this or any other board.
For Christ' sake do your damn research people. Jesus

That's totally unnecessary and is the reason why most newbies go to other message boards. Reseach is one thing, the collective experience and interactive information share between AS users on message boards like this is more powerful tool. Don't be an asshole and give the kid a break.

 

[Dnkypnch]

You won't blow up too bad on Sust but if you're looking for definition my suggestion would be to take Winstrol (preferable injections vs. pills - Zambon's are the best) with Anavar.

Anavar is one of the best and most effective orals out there. Yeah, it's more expensive than D-bol but it's 3x as good. This steroid is No. 1 for gaining strength without water weight. It also stacks very well with D-bol for size.

Not trying to be a dick but compairing anavar to dbol is like compairing apples to oranges. And i wouldnt reccomend anavar and dbol for a mass cycle.

 

[Juice Authority]

Not trying to be a dick but compairing anavar to dbol is like compairing apples to oranges. And i wouldnt reccomend anavar and dbol for a mass cycle.

You're entitled to your opinion. I think, based on my experience and research, that Anavar and D-bol stack well together. Anavar is a multi-purpose steroid. It's very low toxicity makes it safe to take, even on lower cycles. D-bol aromatises a great deal, even on fairly low dosages where Anavar will not aromatise. If injections are not desired and size is the objective D-bol or anadrol can be combined with the anavar. D-bol is much less toxic than Anadrol.

 

[SwitchedOn]

just searched its a anti-e...alright so how much on average would that cycle cost and what gains would i expect? my main goal is to lean out and get cut...hmm best way i can descrbe it is Vin Diesel only 15 lbs lighter...i understand this will take more than 1 cycle but it gives you an idea of my overall goal

I gave Prelude a break with the first post I made on this thread. After reading the replies that were posted before mine I had to reply.
I think the quote above speaks for itself. Didn't you even research the topic before posting about a cycle? You are talking about doing multiple cycles to get that "Vin Diesel" look. Why are you even considering subsequent cycles when you haven't even purchased the one you're planning?
Bro, I'm not trying to tear you down or flame you. Personally I would have expected someone in your position to do more research into a cycle before asking these kinds of questions.

JA- the questions this guy is asking can be found on this board with a few hours of research. So call me an asshole all you want to. That doesn't change the fact that I'm right. Read Preludes quote from above. If you can't understand where I'm coming from that's not only your problem, but the rest of the boards as well.

Switched On

 

[Juice Authority]

JA- the questions this guy is asking can be found on this board with a few hours of research. So call me an asshole all you want to. That doesn't change the fact that I'm right. Read Preludes quote from above. If you can't understand where I'm coming from that's not only your problem, but the rest of the boards as well. Switched On

Bro, I didn't call you an asshole. I said don't be one. This guy is obviously new to the board and AS for that matter. You don't need to belittle him or make him feel stupid for posting a question. I don't totally disagree with what you said, it's the way you said it.

 

[JDM92Prelude]

ok i research about EVERY steroid out there and i know which one does what and how they work and why they smell the way they do...would i be wrong now if i asked, what would a be a good dosage for me to take for my first cycle...and the remark about taking more than one cycle is to answer you remark...i know that i cant take one cycle and gain 40 lbs of muscle, get ripped and be set for life...it will take more than 1 cycle and more than just steroids to get me where i want (hense that fact i said in the begining that i will be on a strict diet and cardio)...i understand you are more knowledgable about this than me but instead of bragging about how much better lead me in the way so i can learn what i need to know...if you go to a mechanic and go, my car is broken does he yell at you that you should of researched everything about a car before owning one and tell you how dumb you are you dont know and how much better he is than you...i understand this stuff is serious that is why i didnt just buy it and start, i am here asking AND researching to find out all the information i need to know so i dont make the wrong choice

 

[SwitchedOn]

Prelude I'm not going to argue with you, or debate about totally unrelated analogies. Yes it's good you came here to ask questions and gain some knowledge to use anabolics safely, that's precisely what this board's all about. However despite what you posted about knowing the smell of different drugs and doing your research doesn't convince me that you were ready to ask the questions you posted. No I didn't know it all when I started and am still very ignorant when it comes to this subject but I also read this and other boards for months before I posted a question. I gave you advice in my first post on this thread.
I'm not apologizing for anything I've said on this thread. You don't need to convince anyone here that you've done your homework. The only person you need to convince of that is yourself. I'm here and willing to help but when I see posts plainly stating that you don't know what clomid is, and after a whole 5 mins of reading a couple threads about it you are ready to commence, then I feel obligated to say something.
Anyhoo I'm done with this post. As I said my advice is stated earlier, if you have any questions or comments PM me.

Switched On

 

[JDM92Prelude]

about the smell of the roids i was being sarcastic...i understand why i would need to take an anit-e after a cycle but i wasnt sure which one to take and after reading what it was i remembered and added it to my cycle...i did my research on what i am planning on using which is sust and deca...i dont feel the need to know everone out there if i have no intentions on using them...i realized i didnt know a lot and i spent the rest of my time looking up and doing some research on my own...i am just making sure of the amounts i should be taking keeping my age, weight and height a factor...sorry if i came off the wrong way but i was just looking for an answer and i worded my question wrong...all that said and done i want to do 1 of 2 different cycles...which do you guys think is better....

week 1-10: 400mg sust
week 1-10: 200 deca

or

week 1-10: 500mg sust

 

[no clone]

I'm going to have to disagree on this. A single acting ester such as cyp or enan would be better IMO. When using sust, blood levels aren't close to being stable unless shot ed or eod because of the 4 different acting esters. IMO its overrated unless shooting ed or eod.

Exactly, how are you going to reap the benefits of the fast acting prop if you only shoot once a week?...never mind every 10 day's.

Now to the more important part, bro listen to me you have no idea what you're doing. I read every post and reply you made and 3/4 of it makes no sense at all because you have no foundation whatsoever when it comes to aas.

You come back with a response like ok I researched every steroid out there. Come on bro your only fooling yourself! Hopefully you take the advise of myself and the other bro's that took thier time to respond. Bottom line is do more research compile all of your knowledge and post a solid cycle for us to critique.

 

[JDM92Prelude]

i agree with you about i dont know enough...about the whole "i researched every roid out there...." i was being completely sarcastic and tring to prove a point...even if i did research them all i would still be asking the same question that was what i was tring...i only looked up acouple of things and talked to my friend about the same things i looked up...so i know only what i needed to know...i understand that i dont know a lot roids but if you guys see my question everyday lead me to links with people talking about it or good keyword searches because i am searching here and not getting as far as you guys are expecting me to doing this on my own

 

[no clone]

Alright bro, I under stand what your saying and I don't know everything either! My advise to you would be to go into the best of elite forum and go through the pages of post's over there.

You need to research different drugs and thier profiles, what do they do , what are the possible side affects, how to administer them correctly. You need to know what to do pre, post and during your cycle to protect you self from possible side effects.

Do a search with the following key words...anti e, nolvadex, arimadex, liquidex or l-dex, clomid,proviron,femera or letozole,aromasin, hcg, ala, milk thistle, cranberry extract,gyno, esters,half life, profiles, side effects,cycles or cycle, acne, hair loss, etc.

I'm sure other people can add to that list. I would also become a member of other boards, I learn something new every day!
Then when you feel comfortable post your cycle and all other sups and how you plan to run it.

Good luck, later...no clone