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hi guys i have dome a couple of cycles before ,

first one was : test e 750 mg 12 weeks
socond : test e 750 mg , deca 600 mg 12 weeks


i am planning on doing this : correct me plz if there's something wrong


week 1 --> 4 : test prop , 100 mg eod
week 1 --> 12 : test e or c , 750 mg/week
week 1 --> 12 : deca 600 mg / week


from week 11 till week 14 i am planning to take hcg , as it might help me recover , 750 mg every week

PCT : starts 2 weeks after last injection ...

clomid :150/100/75/50
nolva : 40/40/40/20

should i add proviron ? 10x
 
What are your stats, you are running a huge amount of gear
 
im 177 pounds ,183 cm height , 11% bodyfat , 23 years old .
my last cycle was 4 months ago

i only weight that much , cause i have a herniated disc , i stop training alot , my first cycle was when i was 20 , and then i had the disc , i stopped gym for 2 years ,lost all my gains . i restarted training 1 year ago , i finished my cycle 4 months ago , and started some serious shredding ( no fruits , no lactose , no fat , low carbs etc ... ) , till i reached 11% bf , now i want to put back some weight , without gaining fat .

i am using that much gear , cause my last cycle was 750 test and 600 deca , so i have to add something to it or add more doses , so i decided to add some prop to the first 4 weks ...
 
You don't need more Juice, you need more food. Lower your dosages and eat more. Also, I'd kick with D-Bol or Anadrol instead of prop.

1-14 Test E 500mg/week
1-12 Deca 400mg/week
1-4 D-Bol 20-30mg/day
 
Reps For Jesus said:
You don't need more Juice, you need more food. Lower your dosages and eat more. Also, I'd kick with D-Bol or Anadrol instead of prop.

1-14 Test E 500mg/week
1-12 Deca 400mg/week
1-4 D-Bol 20-30mg/day
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mmm , so i'll be using less gear than the last time ... :/ you think it will help me gain ? ... i eat like an animal btw , i was verry fat when i was little , i love to eat , but of course im folowing a prog , high prot ( 2 times my bw ) high carbs , except last 2 meals , my last meal i dont take any carbs , and the meal before the last one , i eat a little bit of carbs , i gain fat verry easly
 
You over did it for your first cycle. More gear does not mean more gains. I think you would be better off lowering the dosages and just make sure your diet and training are on point.
 
Damn it why is it that all these fuking people love putting a shit ton of gear through them?
If you did only 300-500mg of test a week and maybe did a kick start like the one person laid out for you should be plenty.

Hard work shouldnt replaced by gear.
Eat sleep kill it in the gym.
If you dont kill it in the gym and dont eat right then gtfo and stop using juice.

Sent from my SCH-I605 using EliteFitness
 
it's funny how some people start assuming that my diet or workout are not right :D
i eat up to 360 g of proteine/day bro only 40 g of it are from whey prot , the rest is food .
i train verry high intensity , and i vary it sometime high reps sometimes low , i alwas include supersets , dropsets , giant sets , piramid sets .
sometimes i have trouble falling asleep cz of the excitement i have to go hit the gym the next day , im 1000 % dedicted

but when it comes to steroids , im new , that's why i come here asking .
 
500 mg test e , 400 deca are better ?
i waant to kickstart with something ... can annyone tell me why is dbol better then test prop ? ... dbol will make me retain water , and fuck up my liver ... :/ am i wrong ?
 
new guy needs help said:
500 mg test e , 400 deca are better ?
i waant to kickstart with something ... can annyone tell me why is dbol better then test prop ? ... dbol will make me retain water , and fuck up my liver ... :/ am i wrong ?
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Why not try something other then Deca ? You don't want any water retention but you are running deca? Why not try EQ at 600-800mg a week or tren ? A prop / tren ace cycle would be excellent for you.
 
Thanks for the stats...a few points:

A) more juice does not = more gains. That is a terrible, reckless theory
B) 6ft tall @ 177 is not a profile for someone to be on cycle. You can make some good gains with a good diet & training.
 
EZ_E said:
Thanks for the stats...a few points:

A) more juice does not = more gains. That is a terrible, reckless theory
B) 6ft tall @ 177 is not a profile for someone to be on cycle. You can make some good gains with a good diet & training.
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I used to be 6'0" and 175. Not even close enough of a muscular base to hold on to AAS gains.
You have been off AAS for 2+ years....its a re set. Why not run 500mg test and call it good.
Whoever told you to run the doses you ran on your first two cycles should be shot in the fucking face.............twice. That is the most absurd shit I have heard in a while.

Look at my avatar....6'0", 230 lb .....375mg test wk. Nothing else.
 
Kick the guy in the balls THEN shoot him
 
xdarren18 said:
Why not try something other then Deca ? You don't want any water retention but you are running deca? Why not try EQ at 600-800mg a week or tren ? A prop / tren ace cycle would be excellent for you.
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well , i read alot that the diet decides if you gain water or no ? and my main goal is to add lean mass , lot of mass ... thats why i chose deca ... i was thinking about taking 0.5 mg adex eod ... and proviron 50 mg's ed with the cycle ...
 
EZ_E said:
Thanks for the stats...a few points:

A) more juice does not = more gains. That is a terrible, reckless theory
B) 6ft tall @ 177 is not a profile for someone to be on cycle. You can make some good gains with a good diet & training.
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i know that too bro :/ but i promised myself to do i cycle ... and one does not simply brake such promise ... lol , you think after the cycle a did 4 months ago ( 750 test , 600 deca ) i might get results from lowering the dosage ? ...
 
burnthiscorpse said:
I used to be 6'0" and 175. Not even close enough of a muscular base to hold on to AAS gains.
You have been off AAS for 2+ years....its a re set. Why not run 500mg test and call it good.
Whoever told you to run the doses you ran on your first two cycles should be shot in the fucking face.............twice. That is the most absurd shit I have heard in a while.

Look at my avatar....6'0", 230 lb .....375mg test wk. Nothing else.
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bro , your a beast ... anyway my last cycle was 4 months ago if you read carefully bro ... i was 88 kgs , but i had to stop working out cz my back injury went verry bad , and i promised myself to do the cycle ... i might lower the dosage but u think 500 mg's are enough 4 moths after a ( 750 mg test , 600 mg deca ) cycle ? ...
 
i apreciate your advices guys , and the time your giving to help me out ...

i always take a pre workout and whey prot ( all year long )

with my pct i'll be adding : xtend ( bcaas) , glutamine , test booster supplemen , creatine hcl and cla to maintain muscle gains without fat

here's my diet :

meal 1 : 12 egg whites + 1 cup of oats + skimmed milk
meal 2 : post workout shake ( 40 g prot powder ,1 tablespoon honey , 2 banans , skimmed milk )
meal 3 : chick breast + b rice + green veg
meal 4 : steak + potatoes + salade
meal 5 : turkey b + b rice + salade
meal 6 : tuna or fish fillet + salade
meal 7 : steak b broccoli

sometimes , when i dont fall asleep , i add an 8th meal of whey prot 1 or 2 scoops ,

i take in about 350 g of prot every day , i dont count the carbs ... i dont use any fat . i coock with cooking spray and take omega 3 pills

i gain fat verry easly ...

any advice will be appreciated ...

i was thinking about this :

week 1 --> 12 : test e 500 mg
week 1 --> 12 : deca 400 mg
week 1 --> 4 : test prop 70 mg eod
week 1 --> 12 : proviron 50 mg ed , to keep natural test levels , and controle some sides ...

PCT :
clomid , nolvadex : 100/75/50/50 , 40/40/40/20/20/20 .

i also have access to hcg ... how should i take them ?

how does this look ? ... is it still too much gear ??

my main concern is ... will i benifit maximum from the cycle , and gain lot of mass , while using less dosage ? i thought the idea was to increase it every time , not lower it ... and 10x
 
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new guy needs help said:
bro , your a beast ... anyway my last cycle was 4 months ago if you read carefully bro ... i was 88 kgs , but i had to stop working out cz my back injury went verry bad , and i promised myself to do the cycle ... i might lower the dosage but u think 500 mg's are enough 4 moths after a ( 750 mg test , 600 mg deca ) cycle ? ...
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Yeah I misread the time between your last cycle and now. 4 mos. I'd bet if you did bloods that you aren't even fully recovered. Especially after a PCT like the one you have listed. <<< Which is an out dated, shitty pct. Do some more research on a real stout PCT.
The most solid advice you could follow (which I know you wont) is to take an extended break and let your body really reach homeostasis for an extended period. Give your androgen receptors a break. Along with get your bodyfat as low as you can before you cycle again.
I don't see why at 6 feet tall you couldn't reach a solid low fat 190-200 lb naturally.

Also your philosophy on not using any fat and not counting carbs is what is making you gain fat to begin with. You might want to look into something like the evolutionary diet. You need fat to burn fat. Carbs make you fat. Your diet is ass backwards.
 
new guy needs help said:
i know that too bro :/ but i promised myself to do i cycle ... and one does not simply brake such promise ... lol , you think after the cycle a did 4 months ago ( 750 test , 600 deca ) i might get results from lowering the dosage ? ...
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You gotta be kidding me with that comment...

Burnthiscorpse nailed it with his last post....I hope you follow his words of wisdom
 
okk im gonna listen to you guys and wait more , i don't want to fuck myself up . ill give myself 4 more months , and do blood tests to see if i fully recovered , if i did ill do a cycle and if no i won't ... is it enough ?

meanwhile im gonna do some more reading and reasearch about cycles , pct and diet ... i changed my diet , i added 1 tblspoon peanut butter , 1 tbl olive oil and 2 egg yolks every day , lowered carbs a lil bit and started counting everything .

i have 1 question about fat , i hear alot of people taking fat before bed , like pb or oo ... doesn't it get stored ? cz the body don't need it ?

1 last questin ... if after 4 months my test levels rewe ok and wanted to do a deca , test : 500/400 mg/week cycle , what pct u guys recommend ? cause you're saying climid and nolva are old ... what's new out there :P ? ... 10x alot
 
new guy needs help said:
okk im gonna listen to you guys and wait more , i don't want to fuck myself up . ill give myself 4 more months , and do blood tests to see if i fully recovered , if i did ill do a cycle and if no i won't ... is it enough ?

meanwhile im gonna do some more reading and reasearch about cycles , pct and diet ... i changed my diet , i added 1 tblspoon peanut butter , 1 tbl olive oil and 2 egg yolks every day , lowered carbs a lil bit and started counting everything .

i have 1 question about fat , i hear alot of people taking fat before bed , like pb or oo ... doesn't it get stored ? cz the body don't need it ?

1 last questin ... if after 4 months my test levels rewe ok and wanted to do a deca , test : 500/400 mg/week cycle , what pct u guys recommend ? cause you're saying climid and nolva are old ... what's new out there :P ? ... 10x alot
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Now you're talking...

PCT:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/p...apy/very-best-pct-2010-right-here-712121.html
 
okk thanks again .... i will post another thread about the cycle that i am going to do in a few months , if my test levels and everything is ok ... and see if the doses and compounds are ok , and i'll put the pct and nutrition there too , or should i just put them here ? ... im kinda new in the thread thing
 
A few months? Fresh thread brotha
 
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