started first cycle - thanx to many bros....

[mvmaxx]

I started my first cycle last Sunday and wanted to let you guys know what I decided. After being on the boards for a while and talking to some very knowledgeable bros (genarr3, M18, Ultragainz, serge, g-dogg and Huck (those listed that are not mods SHOULD BE) I decided to go with the following:

Week 1 – dbol @ 20mg/ED
Sust @ 250mg
Decca @ 200mg

Weeks 2-5 – dbol @ 30mg/ED

Weeks 2-8 - Sust @ 500mg
Decca @ 300-400mg

Weeks 7-11 – Winny @ 50mg/ED

Weeks 12-14 – Clomid @ 300/100/50 for 1day/10days/10days

Liquidex @ .25mg – 1mg/ED (started at .25mg/ED)

I started with the lower dosages the first week just to see how I’d react seeing as how it’s my first time on gear.
I also threw in the winny at the end so that I can run seamlessly into clomid therapy.
The brands of gear are:
Thai d-bol
Organon Durateston
Denkall Decca
Denkall Stanazolic caps (winny)

Supps include:
Creatine @ 10mg/ED
Glutamine @ 30mg/ED
ALA @ 1000mg/ED
Milk Thistle @ 1500mg/ED
Ginger @ 500mg/meal
Saw Palmetto @ 360mg/ED
calories @ 4000+ w/350-400g protein
1-1/2 to 2gal H2O/ED

I also got bf% test, blood test and pics to gauge/monitor progress.

I’ve decided to split the sust and decca dosages to 250mg/200mg on Sunday and Wednesday.

The only question I have now is should I run the decca at 300mg or 400mg? It’s the 10cc bottles so I can draw as needed.

On a side note, when I first posted my “planned out” first cycle I got flamed by guys like Nautica and Maxx Out. While I thought they were assholes then, I now realize that I was just a dumbass newbie posting a ridiculous cycle that a “friend” had used/advised. So while I am no self proclaimed expert now, I’m no longer a newbie and my advice to newbies on the board that are thinking of doing a first cycle – listen to the experienced bro’s on the board and heed their advice. They know much more than you or your friends.

Thanx bros I'll keep you guys updated.

--mvmaxx

 

[genarr3]

"The only question I have now is should I run the decca at 300mg or 400mg?" - I would definitely go with the lower dose. You don't know how prone you are to Deca's progesterone sides, so it's best to start off low.

You're going to love the Durateston. That's about as painless a Sust as you can get.

 

[jack hust]

looks good bro good luck run the deca @400 deca is best at 2mg per lb of body weight

 

[mvmaxx]

"The only question I have now is should I run the decca at 300mg or 400mg?" - I would definitely go with the lower dose. You don't know how prone you are to Deca's progesterone sides, so it's best to start off low.

You're going to love the Durateston. That's about as painless a Sust as you can get.

Thanx! I'll stick with 300mg and keep you updated. In regards to the Durateston, it was very painless. I expected more pain, as some describe from sust, although it was mixed with the decca.

 

[mvmaxx]

Looks like a good cycle to me if you just cut out the deca all together. Probably keep dbols at 20mg/day throughout. You do know that with this cycle that you are doing, that with a little more than 1 gram/week steroids for week 2-5, that you are doing a huge shitload too much steroids for your frst cycle.

I believe there are two camps. Those that believe you need to run a moderate cycle for your first cycle to take full advantage of your first cycle and those that believe you should keep the dosages low and gradually taper up on future cycles. You're obviously from camp two and I fully respect that. I've chosen camp one as I've been working out naturally for 6+ years, am 26 years old and I've had my diet and supplementation program in check for quite a while. Also, the fact that all of the vets that I listed in the thread, as well as other guru's such as the late Dan Duchaine, recommend such a cycle for a first time user. Granted, I wouldn't recommend this to someone straight out of HS or new to lifting.
BTW, I say "moderate" cause if you've seen other posts where newbies have listed some of their first time cycles, you'd consider this moderate. I'd tell you to read johnnyrebels thread but it got deleted.

Do newbies like yourself a favor and don't pretend you know shit that you can tell them. Your stll a fucking newbie, don't give anyone this bullshit that your not just cause you stuck a needle in yourself once or twice finally. My predictions is that you will encounter signifcant difficulties in this cycle because your using at least 2 times to much gear.

Bro, with all due respect, I never claimed to know shit and yes you're right, I am still a newbie. But the difference is I "listened" to the experienced bros on this board and took their advice. My first proposed cycle consisted of ad50, decca and winny for 16 weeks. All I'm saying is that newbies should do the same - listen and learn.

However, I do applaud you for at least understadning how to use clomid properly and also for your sophisitcated understading of how to use the winstrol at the end of the cycle in between wahsout and post cycle therapy. Altohough 11 weeks straight on 17aas could be bad.

Hmmm, I thought about the 17aa situation as well. Some said to run the dbol for 6 weeks and I chose 5. I'm also debating whether or not to just run the winny for 4 weeks which would give a 2 week break in between. Some would say to not even do the winny but my main concern is keeping gains post cycle and this seems to be one of the most logical ways as to transition into clomid therapy. Also, I'd have to run the winny for "at least" 3 weeks post sust/decca as their esters would only then be getting out of my system.
I've also loaded up on the ALA and Milk Thistle for liver protection.

ALso, I think 25mg/day armidex is no where near sufficient to cover 1 gram of test/dbol/deca (a gyno causing trio f I ever thought of one). 1mg/day mght just be borderline if you are lucky and your genetics are such that estrogen has small effect on you.

I agree. That's why I'm running it this week at .25mg/ED and have it listed as .25mg - 1mg/ED. I will probably bump it up once I start my second week. I've also got enough on hand that I could run up to 2mg/ED. I'm also running it throughout the entire cycle until the end of clomid therapy.

Thanks for your input.

 

[mvmaxx]

bump for more support and/or flame jobs.

 

[ultragainz]

looks fine to me bro

 

[mvmaxx]

Here are several pieces of good advice my friend,

HAve you ever seen a picture of DAN Duchaine?! Once you have please give me your opnion on why everyone talks about him so much. I mean who the fuck cares what he says.

Agreed, Dan is not my idol when it comes to what I want to look like. But you can't base someone's knowledge on what they look like (or how old they are). For example, I had a friend that is pretty good friends with a pro bb. When my friend decided to juice his pro friend told him "just make sure to draw blood when you aspirate as that means it's getting into the bloodstream." So again, being huge and ripped doesn't necessarily mean you know a damn thing.

Get an additional antiestrogen agent in case you have problems like fitwizard (read his post). I would recommend femara, it is much better than arimidex. ALso aromasin. Aromasin/femara combo is very nice protection.

Thanx for the advice. I can get access to both of those and it'll be first on my list if the .5/mg - 1mg ED of liquidex doesn't do the trick.

 

[mvmaxx]

ALso,

I wouldn't be so sure that all thos fellas you listed, the very knowledeable bros, are so knowledgeable. Maybea you should ask some of them how old they are?

DCS - swimmin against the current
Actually some of those bro's have a ton of experience and are not very young at all. Others on that list are young, I know that. But again, being young doesn't mean that they don't know what they're talkin about. It's the same reason I got out of the corporate ladder type companies where your rank and pay is based on seniority (how old you are). Now I'm a consultant and get paid way more than these senior guys cause I've learned at a faster rate and bypassed them.

Youth can never be used as a variable to assist in determining one's knowledge.

 

[mvmaxx]

Cycle update

and to top off this thread I'll throw out my cycle update.

Day 13 - up 11lbs.

I've been taking .5mg/ED of liquidex and my waist hasn't changed much at all. I'll measure this weekend to determine exactly how much but I don't think I'm holding too much water. I just feel pumped and a lot harder.
My strength has just gotten better with each workout and I'm breaking plateaus left and right. I did my first shot of sust/decca @ 250/200 on Sun 3rd. Then another shot of sust/decca @ 250/150 on both Sun 10th and Wed 13th. I really felt the decca for the first time on the 10th when I did incline bench. I was able to go down all the way w/o pain whereas it usually hurts my right posterior deltoid after passing the 90 degrees mark.

Other than that I think of BOOBS a lot more.