Started 1st cycle now what do you guys think

[Robbo1980]

Age 32
Weight 91kg
Bf 15%
Blood pressure 133/73
Height 180cm
Training history 15 years +
cycle history none
Diet ok needs improving but I'm going for size so some bads in it but mostly good

Goals mass and strength

Creatine and protein shakes included in training I know that diet is the most important tho


This is what I have started to do, I got feed back from some top guys on here about cycle and pct but still went ahead with this set up,

Sus 250mg x2 mon and thur

Bolderone 250 mg x2 mon and thur

Proviron 2 tabs a day

8 weeks this is for then

Pct : tamoxifen and clomid for two weeks

Good/ bad any improvement would be very much appreciated

 

[dusteefartz]

You should not be taking Nolva for PCT and as far as clomid goes do a quick search and you will find a great thread on why men 32 or over should not be taking Clomid for thier PCT's plus you should be taking HCG during your cycle to make your PCT a lot smoother.


Here is a sample of a good PCT you should be running.

HCGenerate
Forma
Unleashed and post cycle combo
DAA (Chews or powder)

 

[bonacris]

What are you using for an AI?

Where is your hcg?

What are you using to kick start test production in pct?

Do you know what Clomid and nolva do and how they work?

If you get side effects how will you counter act them?

When are you running your pct?

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[shibs]

Your pct needs major revamping, as stated above. The proviron should take the place of an ai while on, unless you're very prone to estrogen build up. Since it's
your first cycle it's always a good idea to have some other compounds like an ai, and letro on hand just in case things go down hill.
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[Robbo1980]

Whoa guys thanks for response, this is my first cycle and I haven't bought the nolva and clomid yet, started the other stuff this week ,

I'm not too sure what AI is? Please explain and hcg?

Is there such a thing as a budget pct? The gear is quite pricy

What do you think of cycle the sus Bol an pro?

Heard mixed reviews on the proposed pct but will look into more

Thanks guys

 

[bonacris]

Whoa guys thanks for response, this is my first cycle and I haven't bought the nolva and clomid yet, started the other stuff this week ,

I'm not too sure what AI is? Please explain and hcg?

Is there such a thing as a budget pct? The gear is quite pricy

What do you think of cycle the sus Bol an pro?

Heard mixed reviews on the proposed pct but will look into more

Thanks guys

An AI will stop the conversion of test to estrogen.. will help with sides like bloating and gyno.. and sust is a bitch for bloat..

Hcg will keep the balls plump on cycle and make transition into pct a lot smoother and easier to keep gains..

Also I wouldnt cheap out on pct as this is the make or break part of your cycle.. you could keep all your gains or lose everything depending.. it will also help you recover a lot better.. if you can't afford to spend money on a good pct then your shouldn't be running AAS..

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[Robbo1980]

Ok great and thanks for the info, I thought that the proviron stops me getting bitch tits?

Trouble is I went to who I thought was a trusted source, uk guy who does body building comps ... Anyhow I have started this so will finish and how does this sound for pct

H c generate
Forma stanzol

Just wont get this clomid nolvex from him, thought I was going down the right road, should of just stuck to my original plan of test, now I'm stuck with the sus,

First pin was funny tho, proper rushed it and was in a bit of pain for a few days, second pin was sweet , nice an slow, easy in held it then pressure on spot, hot shower after, no pain at all! Thanks guys

 

[shibs]

Hcgenerate while on, forma, post cycle/unleashed, daa for pct

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[dylangemelli]

Why is it that NONE OF YOU pointed out the fact that he is only running eq for 8 weeks... Do we not know what boldenone is guys? Not to mention sustanon for ONLY 8 weeks? this is a mess from top to bottom and needs fixed... if your going to run eq then it needs to be ran AT LEAST 16 weeks... It doesn't even really get going until week 9... your pct is horrible as well... You need to restructure this from top to bottom bro...

 

[joeblow12345]

Why is it that NONE OF YOU pointed out the fact that he is only running eq for 8 weeks... Do we not know what boldenone is guys? Not to mention sustanon for ONLY 8 weeks? this is a mess from top to bottom and needs fixed... if your going to run eq then it needs to be ran AT LEAST 16 weeks... It doesn't even really get going until week 9... your pct is horrible as well... You need to restructure this from top to bottom bro...

Agree with Dylan this shits a mess bro.

 

[dvoted]

Sust and bold.for 8 weeks. Bro do some.research!
Sust.needs to.be.ran for 12 weeks atleast
And boldenone idealli. 14 to 20 weeks

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[notjake11]

Why is it that NONE OF YOU pointed out the fact that he is only running eq for 8 weeks... Do we not know what boldenone is guys? Not to mention sustanon for ONLY 8 weeks? this is a mess from top to bottom and needs fixed... if your going to run eq then it needs to be ran AT LEAST 16 weeks... It doesn't even really get going until week 9... your pct is horrible as well... You need to restructure this from top to bottom bro...

Just saw this thread. Was amazed that none if yhe initial responses said this. I am still relatively new to aas but even a basic bit of research would give info about eq and sust needing to be run longer than this.

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[Jbranken]

I think everyone is more concerned about what he's running to prevent him from fucking himself up. Yes the sust and eq isn't being run long enough, but a glance at the bigger picture reveals he's not ready for a cycle of any sort. He thinks proviron is an adequate ai. He has no idea how his body reacts to aas, so he could be gyno prone. Its his first cycle, so he needs to cover his bases. Proviron won't help him if he's prone. He has no idea what hcg is and he started a cycle without any pct Whatsoever. He wants to run clom and nolva as a pct but ill bet $200 he couldnt sit here and explain why people use these drugs in pct and what each compound does and how Each differs from the other. That should have been the first things he bought, although its a shit pct. I say drop the cycle and figure out just wtf you're actually injecting bc you have no idea what you're doing. If you continue it, I suggest you buckle down on google for a few hours a day researching aas and pct for the next few months. Newbies need to man up and stop looking for spoon feeding. He looks like he has done a total of 2 hours of research from this layout

 

[Robbo1980]

Guys I'm just going on what this dude recommend to me to run for, told him that I'm going away on some drinking binge so he said run this cycle up to a week before you go as its not a good idea to be boozing on this .

Will possibly change this pct but why is nolva and clomid a big no no, it's old school pct but does it not vary from person to person?

And what's wrong with the sus and bdol? Bloody hell I can't get anything right ay!

Thought I had a good source and reliable person / route to go down on the whole cycle .... I'm fkd basically then right?

Would you just throw all this away and go back to the beginning or continue cycle as started pinning last week?

 

[Jbranken]

I would do extensive research and figure out how to do it right. But seeing as how you're gonna run a cycle and then go on a binge 1 week later, I think you need to rethink your priorities all around. You shouldn't drink on cycle and for many weeks after. If you're a heavy drinker, You should be cycling at all

 

[Robbo1980]

It's a friends wedding stag doo you know how these things are

Was just originally going to run a test cycle then ended up listening to this dude about this other cycle.

So just quit this cycle right? Is it safe to just quit after pinning for a week too?
All that money down the drain then what a waste of time!

 

[dylangemelli]

Guys I'm just going on what this dude recommend to me to run for, told him that I'm going away on some drinking binge so he said run this cycle up to a week before you go as its not a good idea to be boozing on this .

Will possibly change this pct but why is nolva and clomid a big no no, it's old school pct but does it not vary from person to person?

And what's wrong with the sus and bdol? Bloody hell I can't get anything right ay!

Thought I had a good source and reliable person / route to go down on the whole cycle .... I'm fkd basically then right?

Would you just throw all this away and go back to the beginning or continue cycle as started pinning last week?

Your first sentence says it all... "some dude recommended you to run" Why would you ever even consider running something "some dude said to run" without during thorough research...

There is NOTHING wrong with sust and eq... The problem is how you are running it... That's the problem...

 

[bonacris]

It's a friends wedding stag doo you know how these things are

Was just originally going to run a test cycle then ended up listening to this dude about this other cycle.

So just quit this cycle right? Is it safe to just quit after pinning for a week too?
All that money down the drain then what a waste of time!

It sounds too me like this is only a past time and your not fully committed.. I'm sorry to say AAS aren't for you..

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[Robbo1980]

Ok guys point taken, basically it took me about two years to get cycle, thought I was going down the right route, it's a body builders gym lots of guys do competition there, was told to go and get blood test/ diet plan everything together etc, did this, went to the owner of the gym who supplies the gear , through my own personal trainer who gets their gear from him too, so put my trust in his advice and knowledge ....

Instead of throwing this whole lot of gear away if it was you guys how would you run this please??

 

[solicemanu]

Send what ever your not going to use to me for proper disposal.

 

[Robbo1980]

Looks like all of it from the responses that I got!

 

[Jbranken]

For the last time, save the gear, go research. Some people's comprehension skills amaze me. Google! Right now! Go google some
Shit! Then google more! C ya!

 

[Robbo1980]

Did that and sus ( very similar to test) to me didn't look that bad or dbol, proviron is just a very mild steroid, what you think ? Nolva for pct, shit loads of guys take this too, clomid is a bit shitty tho lol

 

[joeblow12345]

Did that and sus ( very similar to test) to me didn't look that bad or dbol, proviron is just a very mild steroid, what you think ? Nolva for pct, shit loads of guys take this too, clomid is a bit shitty tho lol

Sustanon is test. It's a blend of short and long esters. Nolva is inferior to clomid for many reasons, the main one being it simply doesn't work as well for restoring normal function. It also tends to cause gyno rebound which sets recovery way back. Most people don't say off long enough to see how ineffective it really is. They just jump back on in a matter of weeks without recovering.