Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Hello this will be my first time trying steriods. Im 5'9 and 138. Have been researching quite a lot on the net and seems many people use Dianabol. Any suggestions on whether to stack with Deca Durabolin, Equipoise, or Primobolan? Are there any that can be taken orally because I don't know how to inject. Also should I be using Novaldex or Clomid to block estrogen?
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K , bro #1 if youyr gonna do steroids your gonna have to inject, #2 in the steroid game injections and orals are to coincide with each other, meaning taken together, #3 for first cycles a good rule to go by is avoid orals, highly androgenic drugs, and do a stack that is highly anabolic for best overall effects. A good stack for first time:
8 weeks long
600mg of primobolan
500mg of equipoise
500mg of sostenon
600mg of deca
for a first cycle this would probably give you 30lbs with 25 retainable, if you eat a shitload like 4000calories aday, and take supplements to aid, and since you are such a small dude go ahead and buy some glutamine and growth hormone enhancers, like kaizens otc gh or a gh supp.
8 weeks long
600mg of primobolan
500mg of equipoise
500mg of sostenon
600mg of deca
for a first cycle this would probably give you 30lbs with 25 retainable, if you eat a shitload like 4000calories aday, and take supplements to aid, and since you are such a small dude go ahead and buy some glutamine and growth hormone enhancers, like kaizens otc gh or a gh supp.
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Bro this is way too much gear for a first time use. I've been weight training for 15 years and have not done this much. The Deca dose is particularly overboard, at those doses you start to see Deca's progesterone side effects which are very hard to control. Go to a profile site and learn about gear for yourself, a site with a good profile section - http://www.anabolicreview.com/main.htm. You must learn alittle for yourself otherwise you put yourself at the mercy of steroid abusers.CN1 said:
jc21
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what the hell?!?! that is way to much gear for a first timer especially one that weighs 138 pounds. some of those doses are what i take and i weight almost 100 pounds more than the guy. he could gain a good 25 pounds of this:
400mg/wk test(preferably long acting like enanthate)
300mg/wk deca or eq
for eight weeks...clomid therapy starting week 10 or 11.
get a lot more opinions and talk to some people before you do anything. go ahead and pm me if u need help.
i cant believe he recommended that stack
400mg/wk test(preferably long acting like enanthate)
300mg/wk deca or eq
for eight weeks...clomid therapy starting week 10 or 11.
get a lot more opinions and talk to some people before you do anything. go ahead and pm me if u need help.
i cant believe he recommended that stack
see thats what aot of you guys dont get, 2 drug stack cycles, and 200 aND 300mg bullshit is a waste of time, if you want to blow the fuck up and get some size the fucking cycle I posted is a garuntee, and for sides all he needs is some arimidex, and at that dose he aint gonna get sides, bros 600mg of deca is no different than 400mgs, guys you gotta learn to get size those bullshit test/eq cycles aint shit, the cycle I posted is mild lo0ok Im not gonna argue, I work out around pro bb's and athletes all day long, that cycle is a baby cycle, tell me if he drops the sostenon for you bastards, you still gonna say whaaaa this whaaaa that, not hearing it, I think its a great cycle! Bros untill you take 10cc's of sostenon, 10cc's of deca, and 10cc's of test at once dont tell me about mg's and doses!!!
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JC Grifter
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Dont you think that is more than enough for a first time user which is what they are trying to say.. for his first cycle a little will go a far way!
Yes that's sustenon, and a good one at that. Redi-jets right? Do one every 4 - 5 days which would be about 400mgs a week. Start off in the shallow end of the pool.remedy221 said:So I should take 400mg/wk of test such as sustenon. I purchased Sostenon 250, is it the same is Sustenon? Its made by Organon in 1ml.
jc21
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Your a joke!! you said he would gain 25-30 pounds off that cycle. and i have put many first timers on the cycle i recommended..and guess what they gained 25 pounds too with no side effects and no loss of gains. mr i train with pros all the time, who gives a fuck? this kid doesnt even know what sustanon is and your ready to put him on doses i take. you make your self sound like some kind of bad ass....post your pic and we will see. there is no need for those kind of doses for a newbie. 2 drug stacks are a waste of time? yeah 25 pounds is sure as hell a waster of time.
you make yourself sound like an idiot...10cc's of sustanon, deca, and test.....sustanon is test you dip shit...why not say 20cc's of test.
Well I can honestly say this is the first 2+ gram first cycle I've ever seen suggested. Why not hit him with Anadrol and HGH as well at this point.
I've known very few guys looking to run a first cycle and turn into the poster boy for juice. Most want 15 lbs (they may say 20+ but that's cause they don't know what 20 lbs. of lean mass looks like). I'd consider those who don't fall into the cautious category as a bit unbalanced and it would be in their best interest to solve some of their other issues first.
I've known very few guys looking to run a first cycle and turn into the poster boy for juice. Most want 15 lbs (they may say 20+ but that's cause they don't know what 20 lbs. of lean mass looks like). I'd consider those who don't fall into the cautious category as a bit unbalanced and it would be in their best interest to solve some of their other issues first.
StoneColdGold
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remedy, you need to listen to JC21 and not CN1. I'm not sure you even know enough about this to be using steroids in the first place, but its not my call.
I can tell you this, though... CN1 tells you not to waste your time and money, but thats exactly what you'll be doing if you take his advice. Why spend that much money on gear when you will get all the results you want from a fraction of that amount of drugs? Listen to bros that speak from personal experience, not guys that say, "this guy i know..." or "i workout with...", etc.
I have done 5 cycle, weigh 300 lbs, and put up close to 500 on flat bench. I have never come NEAR the dosages and complexity that CN1 is suggesting for you.
I can tell you this, though... CN1 tells you not to waste your time and money, but thats exactly what you'll be doing if you take his advice. Why spend that much money on gear when you will get all the results you want from a fraction of that amount of drugs? Listen to bros that speak from personal experience, not guys that say, "this guy i know..." or "i workout with...", etc.
I have done 5 cycle, weigh 300 lbs, and put up close to 500 on flat bench. I have never come NEAR the dosages and complexity that CN1 is suggesting for you.
StoneColdGold
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wow, this just got even worse:
GH inhibitors???? WTF!?!? maybe we should put him on cortisone too! and what the fuck does glutamine have to do with being small? I'm huge, should i not use it?
CN1 said:
GH inhibitors???? WTF!?!? maybe we should put him on cortisone too! and what the fuck does glutamine have to do with being small? I'm huge, should i not use it?
first off I dont need to post my pic, you can see me in the
macy gray video "sexual revolution" Im weighing about 260 in it, the light guy, I look white, weraring black army pants no shirt and black bandanna, but I have my arms spread eagle style(you can see it in the middle of the video), and at the first I am with a speaking part sayin, "shes gotta be choclate" and "round" second off the cycle I gave is a highly anabolic cycle if he drops the sostenon that is a mild cycle, and third jc21, it is 30 cc's u fucker, 10 sos, 10 deca, and 10 test enanthate, go ahead and check me out on that video and then shut your fuckin mouth.........go ahead and ask some dudes on the board what I look like also, maxbiceps can tell you I m one swole MF!!!!.
macy gray video "sexual revolution" Im weighing about 260 in it, the light guy, I look white, weraring black army pants no shirt and black bandanna, but I have my arms spread eagle style(you can see it in the middle of the video), and at the first I am with a speaking part sayin, "shes gotta be choclate" and "round" second off the cycle I gave is a highly anabolic cycle if he drops the sostenon that is a mild cycle, and third jc21, it is 30 cc's u fucker, 10 sos, 10 deca, and 10 test enanthate, go ahead and check me out on that video and then shut your fuckin mouth.........go ahead and ask some dudes on the board what I look like also, maxbiceps can tell you I m one swole MF!!!!.
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yeah I use to tell guys all the time they and their cycles were bullshit, back then I was under the board name CDizzo, some guys may remember me, they always wanted me to post my pic, well now since I made the statement about the video all you fuckers who remember me by cdizzo(now cn1) can check me out, not to mention they auditioned 15 other bb's from
gold's gym venice, and I got the fuckin video, now talk your crap.........Im being seen all over the world and Im in the video just for my physique, so for all past members who remember me by the old name, and all the new and current ones who talked shit and knew me by cdizzo, can go on and shut your traps!!!!
yeah I use to tell guys all the time they and their cycles were bullshit, back then I was under the board name CDizzo, some guys may remember me, they always wanted me to post my pic, well now since I made the statement about the video all you fuckers who remember me by cdizzo(now cn1) can check me out, not to mention they auditioned 15 other bb's from
gold's gym venice, and I got the fuckin video, now talk your crap.........Im being seen all over the world and Im in the video just for my physique, so for all past members who remember me by the old name, and all the new and current ones who talked shit and knew me by cdizzo, can go on and shut your traps!!!!
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StoneColdGold
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what does your being in a video have to do with the fact that you just recommended a newbie attempt to shut off his production of GH?
you are making a total ass out of yourself.
you are making a total ass out of yourself.
shut off his production of gh, what the fuck are you talking about,you are one dumb 300lb lug, do you think a product like Kaizens gh enhancer is going to shut down his gh, its going to boost the gh in his body, do you think I meant him take Igf1, no I meant a gh enhancer like HGH or Kaizen that you buy at supplement stores like LA urban fitness or Musclemag inteantional, your a dumbass, and the video part is for jc21, he said post my pic, and I said I dont have to..........................he can see the video........and 500mg of primobolan, eq, and deca aint gonna shut down gh production what are you dumb, a bb is suppose to take a gh supplement when he goes to bed and wakes up before first meal, man you guys on here are some dumbasses!!!!!
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StoneColdGold
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CN1 said:
you do know what the word "inhibit" means, don't you?
I meant gh enhancers like kaizen and hgh, not gh inhibitors you can throw that quote out, and not igf1, did you see jstrongs cycle, he suggested
30mg dbol
500mg sust
400 mg of deca now how far is that from
500mg sust
600mg deca
500mg primobolan
500mg eq...................thats not far off from what he suggested!!
30mg dbol
500mg sust
400 mg of deca now how far is that from
500mg sust
600mg deca
500mg primobolan
500mg eq...................thats not far off from what he suggested!!
jc21
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well then watch what you are typing...you said inhibitor! who cares if your in a video...everyone seeing you around the world...lmao. everyone turns on the video to see the singer not some guy who is in the video for 2 seconds. lol...is that your claim to fame.
and i wont respond to this again...stonecoldgold and myself made the point..you have no idea about the sport of bodybuilding and the usage of AS
yes i saw jstrongs post...it is a good one...dbol might be a little much, but it is way less then your suggestion. are u kidding me that they are close....930mg/wk compared to 2100/wk a week...yours is over 100% more. go get an education then talk.
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first jc21, its not no claim to fame, its a simple statement that you can see me and my physique, personally a little music video isnt shit in my eyes, just letting you know that you can see my swoled up ass on the TV, and then you can shut your ass, and what you dont know is that particular video is about the people in it, not the singer. And next watch my typing, well when youve drank 5 pots of coffee and smoked 2 joints and are cleaing the house and trying to type all at the same time you can fuck up.................and you want to tell me to get an education, well I am 6 classes away from holding a BA in film and television production........and third I dont know anything about bb, well thats funny!!!!! What the fuck do you know and what have you been casted for................cause your no size ass aint on shit!!!!!!!!!!!!! and for the cycle I posted he doesnt have to do all that each week he can split it up in 4 week incriments, and what you are failing to realize is that eq, deca, and primobolan are highly anabolic, he aint gonna get no side effects while gaining hard muscle without the possibility of losing it when coming off..............look bro I workout around pro bb's all day......example, flex wheeler, chris cormier, guy grundy, barbarian bros, ronnie coleman, gunter schlierkamp, melvin anthony, craig titus..........and I dont know anything about bb, well how come I weigh 250 and am swole as a house????????
thats what you fuckers dont realize when you work out at ma and pops gym or some bullshit ballys, or get hard fitness, you fuckers dont know shit about juicing, if your gonna get swole go ask a pro bb what to take, and then come back to me and tell me thats too much.............if your gonna be a big boy you gotta hang with the big boys, and you fuckers aint shit, till you come on out to golds gym venice and make your prescense felt and you pump iron and gain respect dont say shit, cause Ill tell ya, aint nobody gonna out intense me or outdo me, not at golds or anywhere else, you think Im full of shit, just come on out and see for yourself..................you guys are nothin but dingleberrys hangin from a donkeys ass!!!!!!!!!
MaxBiceps said:
i believe you bro. but still, that stack is rather high for a beginner. i know what he's saying about pro bb taking 10 times that shit. who doesnt know that. but the point here is a newbie just going on for the first time. u dont need to overdue it from the beginning to see good gains. give it time. see how your body reacts and handles the different drugs. also use he ones according to your specific goals. no need to hit a gram from the start. come on mx even you don't take that much so u know what im saying. start off light to moderate imo. then and if he decides to do that much later on once gains dont come anymore on lesser doses and he wants more then he can go up.
MaxBiceps said:sure mike. I was just affirming that cn1 is one huge mofo, and that he is.
how's the future cycle coming along?
u and golfer both asked me that today.
im still waiting on my sus. i ordered 100 i think instead of my previous mentioned stack im just gonna do straight test(sus) along with a good amount of antiestrogens and fat burners to help with the water bloat and possible fat accumulation. im thinking 500mg every 5 days. what do u think?? and CN1 don't laugh at that dose. i get on by with lower doses actually, and in no way do i want to be a pro bb. 
MaxBiceps said:
no no i have alot of other stuff. eq and d-bol and deca. giving it away though.
if u know what i mean. hehehe. so test it is. maybe i'll add some eq later in the cycle. shhhhhh, cuz this is not standard "Elite" practice. but im going on for 5-6 months. oh wait everyone is able to read this. thought this was a pm for a second. oh well. low-moderate dose "long" cycle.holy shit what was i thinking. im definately gonna try fina ths summer. im thinking sus for the first 6 weeks alone. then fina and winny added to the mix. then once summer is mostly over (august) just kick in eq with the sus for another final 6-8 weeks. yes, i told u it was LOOOOOOOOONG.
well max is takin it a bit far, but jc21 was tryin to bag on me, and all the excruciating pain I put myself through and someone trying to clown me saying post my pic......is BS, Im lookin bigger and gettin harder............but the thing to remember is there is always someone bigger and badder, and for the ones who arent they got a fuckin gun...........so it doesnt matter.
Mr_Pincushonass
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CN1 said:
lol, I gained and KEPT 24lbs on my first cycle only using sust 250mg per week for 8 weeks and dropped 1% bf. I weighed 192 now im a pretty ripped 216. So I personally reccomend way lower dose for your 1st cycle plus its safer.
see you guys are missing the whole picture!!!!!
week 1-4
500mg of sostenon
500mg of deca
week 4-8
400mg of primobolan
400mg of equipoise
the whole picture is that he is not taking a shitload of androgenic testosterones, #2 he is taking a great array of anabolic agents that will yield #1 no receptor burnout, #2 a great anabolic reaction that will produce excellent muscle gains with hardly any water retention and solid hard muscle where mr. pincushion said on a sust cycle only he gained and kept 24 lbs thats fine but the reaction he is gonna get off this cycle will be solid muscle, no water at all, and he isnt going to have horrible sides either, a stack like this will yield phenomenal gains and solid muscles!!!! A sust only cycle is not going to give the reaction to the body and stimulation that this cycle would, this is a great first cycle, and I personally believe nothing is better, my buddy on his first cycle used winstrol, primobolan, cypionate, and some orals, never seen a guy blow up like that before!!!!!
week 1-4
500mg of sostenon
500mg of deca
week 4-8
400mg of primobolan
400mg of equipoise
the whole picture is that he is not taking a shitload of androgenic testosterones, #2 he is taking a great array of anabolic agents that will yield #1 no receptor burnout, #2 a great anabolic reaction that will produce excellent muscle gains with hardly any water retention and solid hard muscle where mr. pincushion said on a sust cycle only he gained and kept 24 lbs thats fine but the reaction he is gonna get off this cycle will be solid muscle, no water at all, and he isnt going to have horrible sides either, a stack like this will yield phenomenal gains and solid muscles!!!! A sust only cycle is not going to give the reaction to the body and stimulation that this cycle would, this is a great first cycle, and I personally believe nothing is better, my buddy on his first cycle used winstrol, primobolan, cypionate, and some orals, never seen a guy blow up like that before!!!!!
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Cycle quotes from just above (2nd page):
Cycle quoted on original post that started this stupid 2 page thread about 'swole'.
I personally think that if you were trying to illustrate the same cycling pattern on each post your university needs to add some communication classes to that film major.
CN1 said:
Cycle quoted on original post that started this stupid 2 page thread about 'swole'.
CN1 said:
I personally think that if you were trying to illustrate the same cycling pattern on each post your university needs to add some communication classes to that film major.
hey I had to modify it so these rookies could understand the full picture............and as far as your comments I dont think it is necessary, since I degraded the above cycle by 200mg on deca and 100 on primobolan, what the fuck is the difference?????There isnt any, but these stupid kids on this board think so!!!!!!!!
I just figured it out.
If you read your first post again - all the way back on page 1 or just look above as I quoted it 2nd in my post - you cite all those drugs over 8 weeks (thats 4 drugs totalling 2200mg weekly - which is absurd for a newbie). You don't include the breakdown into two separate 4 week cycles as you did just above.
The most recent post breaks it down into 2 drugs pairings each over 4 weeks. Each week either 1000mg or 800mg. Much more realistic.
Everyone has been reacting to the 2200mg weekly dosage suggestion. Then it got into your swoleness and film career.
If you read your first post again - all the way back on page 1 or just look above as I quoted it 2nd in my post - you cite all those drugs over 8 weeks (thats 4 drugs totalling 2200mg weekly - which is absurd for a newbie). You don't include the breakdown into two separate 4 week cycles as you did just above.
The most recent post breaks it down into 2 drugs pairings each over 4 weeks. Each week either 1000mg or 800mg. Much more realistic.
Everyone has been reacting to the 2200mg weekly dosage suggestion. Then it got into your swoleness and film career.
StoneColdGold
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MadCow1 said:
LOL. "swoleness"
CN1, nothing you say makes even the slightest bit of sense.
thats cause your hillbilly ass is so fuckin outdated you wouldnt even know what was up if you got a free jug of winstrol, and someone said, now go jizzzo yo bizzzo!!!!! Man I swear if you guys on this board could come out to LA you wouldnt know what the fuck to do, cause you all are livin in a glass jar right now!!!!
For what it's worth. I couldn't care less about pro bodybuilders. I have met few who are worthwhile human beings. That "sport" is closer to a beauty pagent than any type of real athletic event.
That being said, there is more to life than muscle and the amount of muscle one carries in no way relates to the quality of the individual.
That being said, there is more to life than muscle and the amount of muscle one carries in no way relates to the quality of the individual.
StoneColdGold
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CN1 said:
My favorite new hobbie: quoting CN1!
What a clown.
MadCow... very well said.
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