Stack or up the dose....

[johnnyboy3689282]

So, the big contemplation....
Stack NPP and Tren Ace...
Stats as of Friday..
24 5'7'' 199 lbs.. 9.4% body fat... Skin folds
Diet is perfect... I plan to compete in the future, but dont feel im ready... yet... i still have some growing to do and im not in a rush....

NPP 300mg per week 1-8..
Tren Ace 180 mg per week 1-6...
Sust 275 at 550 mg per week 1-10...
Cabergoline - ED .25mg
Letrozole - If needed
HCG -250 IU's x2 per week


PCT- 4 weeks after last sust pin...
Weeks 1-4 DAA -3g ED
Weeks 1-4 Finaflex Hardcore Revolution Black PCT- 4 caps ED
Weeks 1-8 HCGenerate - 4 Caps a day
weeks 1-4 Clomid - 25/25/25/25
Weeks 5-8 Bridge - 4 caps a day
Weeks 5-8 Osta -75 mg 5 on 2 off
Weeks 5-8 S4 25 mg ED

All food is weighed and measured...
Cutting Diet

Meal 1 - 1.5 cups egg whites/ 1/2 Cup Organic Cooked oat or 2 Slices Ezkiel toast...
Meal 2- 12 oz Chicken breast( 12 oz Tilapia/ 10 oz. Filet mignon) (no seasoning, as salt bloats me) 2 cups cooked veggies
Pre Workout meal 3- 1 cup Greek Yogurt, 1 serving of unsalted Almonds, 1 Scoop protein, 1 serving BCAAs.
During Workout- 1 serving BCAAS
Post Workout meal 4- 2 scoops Protein Shake- 1 serving BCAAS, 1 apple, 1 Bannana
Meal 5- 12 OZ Chicken/ 1 Cups White Rice or 1 Cup organic Oats
Meal 6- 12 OZ Chicken/ (12 oz Tilapia)/ 2 cups cooked veggies...
Meal 7- 1 Scoop Casein Protein or 1 cup Eggwhites if hungry....
20 mins of cardio ED after workout on stationary bike with resistance...

Training- 8 day split
Sun- Back (width Emphasize)Deadlift
Monday - off
Tues- Legs
Wed - Chest
Thurs- back (Thickness) (will also do 6-8 sets of Bis and forearms)
Fri -off
Sat -Shoulders, Calves
Sun- Arms

I keep my set range moderate - 12-15 sets per muscle
Legs and Back - 20-25 sets, biggest muscle and have to work them harder to get them to grow.... but has been working.
I also sleep min 8 hours every night... And if i get 6 hours of sleep, bet that im going to take a nap for two hours. 8 hours ed is min for me...
Fortunate that i was a catcher in college and have caught for 18 years, so i have big legs, and monster calves...

I take my Omegas 3,6,9 oils for healthy fats, no fats after i workout... and keep my sodium intake down.. Im fortunate that sugar doesnt effect me as much as sodium... All chicken and fish is organic... and Filet is Grass feed Natural beef, no additives.... or so they say... I do drink a glass of milk a day, for some sat. fat, but im not dieting for a show yet. Then i want to clean bulk with the cycle listed above... Of course more carbs if needed since i do get hungry as hell on deca.... I want clean bulk... Hoping for 20 lbs on this cycle, and i have the mindset to keep everything i gain... This will be a short cycle, but a powerful one..

Just got my blood work done and im awaiting results... Have been off cycle for 7 months, 5 with pct.... Dont wanna rush back on... I beleive in time on means time off... All my levels have been in check... have had bloods done 3 times after cycle and everything is good to go...

Im a very experienced user. Have used tren and deca and recovered perfect from both. Maintained all gains from last cycle...
I Ran a long cruiser cycle last year of 40+ weeks. Used tren for 16 weeks, broke into 2 seperate 8 weeks cycles...

I am not prolactin or gyno prone and have used Both Deca, and tren Ace, with nothing but nights sweats from the tren....I Have not used NPP or tren E/ tri Tren....

I do get blood work done reguarly. This is a cycle geared towards the end of the year, and would like some verteran input...

Or should i just pick one compound and run a higher dose... highest i went was 300 mg of tren for 2 weeks( maintained 40 mg ED or 75 mg EOD), and 250 mg a week of deca for 10 weeks... Got great gains from both..

 

[moya]

looks good to me...

the only thing i really questioned is if you feel you need to get bigger to compete, then why are you going to be on a cutting diet?... but i do suppose that after cutting we grow better afterwards... that and summer is near...

should be a killer cycle either way, i do like those doses for the stack... a little tren will go a looooong way...

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

I respond really well to nandrolone... and i like putting lean mass on compared to water weight... I figure the npp will give me dryer size and tren will give me the hardness and definition, the fat burning, along with the strength of the two, and some good test, should net great gains... Ill take 12-15 lbs of lean mass over 30 lbs of water weight anyday... Too many carbs and i gain in the wrong places... If i wanted to just be big, i would run run an anadrol, deca, test cycle....

 

[eddymerckx]

24
1 gram of gear
who could have expected it
where to start
why bother he won't listen anyway

 

[gymjunkie09]

24
1 gram of gear
who could have expected it
where to start
why bother he won't listen anyway

lol ^^^^ no wonder you got banned before

he's 5'7" and 199lbs sub 10% bf and, went through the time to post his entire diet and obviously knows what he's doing as far as chemical enhancemnt. And thats not an outrageous cycle by any means and this is what you have to say? Get the **** outta here, he's 24 and most likely has reached his genetic potential at those stats but I guess some people just like to feel like they know everthing.....

BTW the way your cycle looks good bro, good luck

 

[eddymerckx]

lol ^^^^ no wonder you got banned before

he's 5'7" and 199lbs sub 10% bf and, went through the time to post his entire diet and obviously knows what he's doing as far as chemical enhancemnt. And thats not an outrageous cycle by any means and this is what you have to say? Get the **** outta here, he's 24 and most likely has reached his genetic potential at those stats but I guess some people just like to feel like they know everthing.....

BTW the way your cycle looks good bro, good luck

Really? And you are qualified to determine this how? Please list your creds the support your statement.

And personal attacks just demonstrate you have not substantive thing to say--

May want to know the facts regarding before you speak--or don't you like facts?

 

[gymjunkie09]

Really? You and you are qualified to determine this how? Please list your creds the support your statement.

And personal attacks just demonstrate you have not substantive thing to say--

May want to know the facts regarding before you speak--or don't you like facts?

the facts are in his post....read it

anybody whos know any better knows that he knows what hes doing....and thats real mature with the smiley face, arent you like 40 bro? c'mon

 

[the_alcatraz]

Cycle looks good...well planned, good job on diet...looks like you've done your homework. As long as you're not under 21 and your stats are pretty good you should be good to go.

 

[eddymerckx]

the facts are in his post....read it

anybody whos know any better knows that he knows what hes doing....and thats real mature with the smiley face, arent you like 40 bro? c'mon

You started with the ad hominem attacks "bro"

Now, as for the statement in bold above, well, such is just a fantastic display of intellectual horsepower you should be proud of yourself.

Again, WHAT ARE YOUR QUALIFICATIONS to determine when a 24 year old has reached his genetic potential?

 

[gymjunkie09]

You started with the ad hominem attacks "bro"

Now, as for the statement in bold above, well, such is just a fantastic display of intellectual horsepower you should be proud of yourself.

Again, WHAT ARE YOUR QUALIFICATIONS to determine when a 24 year old has reached his genetic potential?

because you have never mispelled anything in your life right? I'm known and respected around here for a reason....and you? Well youre just a dick

 

[DtownG]

Lmao!!! You tell 'em bro!!

 

[eddymerckx]

because you have never mispelled anything in your life right? I'm known and respected around here for a reason....and you? Well youre just a dick

Let's try one more time: What qualifies you to determine he has reached his genetic potential at 24?

Oh, and it's not your spelling or grammar (that is to be expected) it is that you cannot answer the question.

If you are reduced to name calling I guess you have ventured out of your league. Far be it from me to question the respect owed a man "saved" by Elite Fitness...I do like your tats though--the guy that mows my lawn has similar ones as does the guy the cleans our offices at night.

 

[gymjunkie09]

Let's try one more time: What qualifies you to determine he has reached his genetic potential at 24?

Oh, and it's not your spelling or grammar (that is to be expected) it is that you cannot answer the question.

If you are reduced to name calling I guess you have ventured out of your league. Far be it from me to question the respect owed a man "saved" by Elite Fitness...I do like your tats though--the guy that mows my lawn has similar ones as does the guy the cleans our offices at night.

lmao....don't you ride ten speeds? What are you even doing on a steroid forum? I'm done going back and forth with you because you may be booksmart but you're an ignorant motherfucker, and you can laugh at my tatts and make stupid jokes but let me catch you in the street and it'd be a whole different story....now you can talk to yourself cause i'm done listening

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

I def. Have not reached my genetic potential... I have done 4 cycles and have never been over a gram of gear a week.... I think this is a very safe and with tolerable doses given all the ancillaries are there...

Eddy, No way im near my genetic potential yet (i have never eaten to bulk, only eaten and cycled on a carb deficit) Imagine if i ate like a pro, i would be way heavier, of course with bf wise as well... I understand this is not a race, but a marathon... I always take the right amount of time off and one of the more knowledgable people on the site regarding diet, pct, critiqueing cycles, and training... I respect your opinion, but have to disagree

Im a licensed RN, certified TS-C and TS-CFA.... Still in school studing anesthesiology... I have many courses on pharamacology, nutrition, supplementation, anatomy, Biology etc....

Granted genetics are a big part of juicing, Victor martinez is my height, and has 60+ lbs on me..
He was 250 when he won the arnold in 09, 5'7''. Not saying ill be that big, but im also not shooting 20 ius of gh a day and 100 ius of slin... and megadosing every supplement i get...
Past History
Deca only, 250 mg per week for 10 with proper pct.
Dbol Only, 10 mg Pre workout with good pct...
Test Only, 500mg per week...

Last cycle, ended in Sept.
Weeks 1-12 Test Prop- 100mg ED
Weeks 1-8 Tren Ace- 50mg ED
Weeks 1-4 Dbol- 20mg ED Preworkout
Weeks 1-20 HCG 250ius 2x per week
Weeks 9-12 Winny - 100mg ed
Weeks 13-22 Test Prop- 150mg EOD (Cutting for Show)
Weeks 23 Sustabol 300- 1200mg Front load
Week 24-26 Sustabol 300 -300mg Monday & Friday
Week 27-38 Sustabol 300 - 150 mg EOD
Weeks 31-38 Tren Ace - 75mg EOD (Cutting for Show)
Weeks 35-38 Winny -100mg ED
Weeks 39-42 Sustabol 300 - 300mg Monday&Friday
Week 43-44- DAA, BCAAS, lots of food and calories, and and all basic supplement with hard training. (At the End of week 44 as we speak)Never got sides other that night sweats with tren.
350-400 grams. of protein per day
100 grams of carbs
70 grams of fats
PCT
Weeks 1-4 Clomid 100, 100, 75, 50...
Weeks 1-4 Hardcore Revolution PCT Black- 2 caps a day
Weeks 1-8 DAA

I think im more than capable of running the cycle listed above, and its not even a megadose. I could stack 3 other compounds with it.. (npp, sust, tren)
Also ran arimidex for some weeks during cycle, but didnt need. retained all of my gains in strength and was still increasing when i got off, never plataeued... I always take the a year off in between cycles....

Why do you think a gram a weeks is alot bro? I get bloods done monthly, and i can anwser every question on your little "o, your a newb, can u anwser all these questions before you cycle thread" you just wrote two weeks ago....

I can see if i got on here and was like,
1200mg of sust
800mg deca
500mg tren

I would be 25 and where talking about 6 more months away min.... Lots of time off after the last one
Johnny

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

Gym junkies got my back because he knows im knowledgable and i wouldnt do a cycle if i new i was gonna get problems from it, or couldnt handle...

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

I will also agree with eddy tho junkie, why do you think ive hit my potential? Do u mean max i can naturally grow? without the use of Anabolics?

 

[gymjunkie09]

I will also agree with eddy tho junkie, why do you think ive hit my potential? Do u mean max i can naturally grow? without the use of Anabolics?

Yeah that's basically what I was getting at, I'm sure you could put on a little more size natty but not a whole lot and I could be wrong about that, basically what I was getting at is that you're a big kid going on 25, you know what you're doing and you take the time to make a detailed post asking for advice and he talks to you like you're a retard and copies and pastes some stupid shit in your thread. So maybe you havnt reached your genetic potential, but imo and I'm sure a lot of others you're ready for juice.

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

Thanks Bro, Your the man!!

 

[gymjunkie09]

Thanks Bro, Your the man!!

No problem, I just don't see the need for belittling people....his wife probably treats him like shit in real life so he comes on these forums and talks down to people to make himself feel better because he can't do it in real life lol...

You should keep a log on that I'm sure alot of people could learn from you including myself

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

I will log for sure on my next cycle... Im still in down time for another 6 months from the cruise... Ill never cruise again like that, too much time off.... been off for 6 months, cycling creatine and DAA... Need to try some of the NTBM products or a SARM or something until then...

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

So Eddy, what would you suggest???? Im very interested to hear what you would suggest?

 

[the_alcatraz]

You guys need to play nice or i'm going to start banning people...seriously. Last warning.

 

[the_alcatraz]

my only question would be why not use a serm like aromasin to keep estro levels at bay instead of using such a harsh serm like letro when needed. letro has been shown to reduce estro far lower than needed or wanted for that matter which really effects the hdl/ldl levels negatively. aromasin has been shown to keep estro at levels that will not effect your hdl/ldl levels.

actually letro is a good way to "heal" or "reverse" gyno, when aromasin would slow it down or stop it from growing...so to speak

 

[hurricane]

yea seriously.. you guys cant have a disagreement without the name calling?Its killind the thread.This is actually a great debate here, if you guys held it correctly .. please

 

[ceo]

gymjunkie, eddy has a history at EF from before your time here. You don't know the facts surrounding why he was banned, but he was welcomed back by needto himself and many others who remember him. Regardless of how you feel about what has been said please remember the rules of the forum you are posting in and remember also that you are representing ntbm whenever you post.

 

[ceo]

wow, look at all the attention this garnered from three of the top mods...

 

[hurricane]

What is the higest dosage you have ran test before? If you are still growing off that dosage, there is no need to bump it up ... You said you are still growing, so i cant see how you wont grow off 500 mg of test a week.This is just my personal opinion.

If you do choose to bump it up anyways , i would go in jumps of 250mg..So if your highest dosage before was 500mg then jump to 750, not 1000.

Way i like to see test ran is to run at same dosage until you stop growing or responding then bumps of 250,up and so on .

Not everyone does it this way and its not a must but its what i think is the safest.

 

[ceo]

What is the higest dosage you have ran test before?

I'd tell you...but I'm afraid eddy would yell at me!

 

[TheSVPdeal]

What is the higest dosage you have ran test before? If you are still growing off that dosage, there is no need to bump it up ... You said you are still growing, so i cant see how you wont grow off 500 mg of test a week.This is just my personal opinion.

If you do choose to bump it up anyways , i would go in jumps of 250mg..So if your highest dosage before was 500mg then jump to 750, not 1000.

Way i like to see test ran is to run at same dosage until you stop growing or responding then bumps of 250,up and so on .

Not everyone does it this way and its not a must but its what i think is the safest.

Cane, if one becomes so unresponsive, where 500mg of test doesn't do the trick, would it be a good idea to take a break long enough for receptors to become sensitive again? Aside from each individual being different, what is a good rough estimate of time for that?

 

[TheSVPdeal]

I'd tell you...but I'm afraid eddy would yell at me!

Lol. . . Me too.

 

[eddymerckx]

I have to tell you, all I did was ask one question--and was
(1) personally attacked (wow, that's a first) on almost every post;
(2) threatened with violence (again another 1st lol);
(3) had my integrity questioned (that is a 1st); and (
(4) was on the receiving end of more non-sequiturs than anyone should have to read.

My whole purpose was to point out that one should not give advice ("you have reached your genetic potential at 24") without some sort of underlying legitimate knowledge to support such a statement. This quality of this Board rests on informed (whether by experience or other) not the ipse dixit logic.

I think the funniest part--and quite demonstrative was the statement "you ride a 10 speed--what are you doing on a steroid forum"....hmmmmmm Troy Landis ring a bell--tested positive after wining and then getting it striped) the Tour de France for Halo (and what a race it was--an man possessed) and besides the fact that it's 22 speeds and costs more than his car--it evidences no understanding of the variety of uses of gear.

To be honest, I don't have have the energy to deal with these sort of people. I just happened to be up all night with a sick kid.

Time to take a step back from all this nonsense.

 

[hurricane]

I have to tell you, all I did was ask one question--and was
(1) personally attacked (wow, that's a first) on almost every post;
(2) threatened with violence (again another 1st lol);
(3) had my integrity questioned (that is a 1st); and (
(4) was on the receiving end of more non-sequiturs than anyone should have to read.

My whole purpose was to point out that one should not give advice ("you have reached your genetic potential at 24") without some sort of underlying legitimate knowledge to support such a statement. This quality of this Board rests on informed (whether by experience or other) not the ipse dixit logic.

I think the funniest part--and quite demonstrative was the statement "you ride a 10 speed--what are you doing on a steroid forum"....hmmmmmm Troy Landis ring a bell--tested positive after wining and then getting it striped) the Tour de France for Halo (and what a race it was--an man possessed) and besides the fact that it's 22 speeds and costs more than his car--it evidences no understanding of the variety of uses of gear.

To be honest, I don't have have the energy to deal with these sort of people. I just happened to be up all night with a sick kid.

Time to take a step back from all this nonsense.

It was handled, he was given an infraction by a senior mod and hopefully its over.I am going to lock this thread. Lets all move past this and gymjunkie i expect better behavior from you, when someone disagrees with you.I consider you a friend of mine on here and i am very disappointed in your behavior.

 

[stevesmi]

also don't instigate things either. don't post "lmao you tell em bro"

thats like standing outside a street fight and egging both people on to fight.. where i come from that is worse as actually fighting.

and if someone has an issue with a poster or post then PM a mod or report the post.. don't take it upon yourself to 'put the guy in his place'..

my computer was being de-bugged most of the day yesterday by some lady in India so i missed this thread or i promise there would of been more casualties.