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squats vs leg press

Inhibitor13

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Is it a good or bad idea to do both? I mean is there something I can hit on the leg press that I wouldnt be hitting on the squats? Right now I do both but I am thinking about just dropping the press and doing more squats...what do you guys think?
 
more squats, if i'm not mistaken, the leg press actually has more sheering forces on the knees... not sure, but whatever it is leg presses don't compare in usefulness to squats.
 
I did both the other night. I went heavy on squat and lower weight on the press. Did it for the burn. I liked it!
 
Inhibitor13 said:
Is it a good or bad idea to do both? I mean is there something I can hit on the leg press that I wouldnt be hitting on the squats? Right now I do both but I am thinking about just dropping the press and doing more squats...what do you guys think?

Take a blow torch to that leg press and squat. Nothin' will replace that squat or get you bigger legs.
 
Leg presses are for the physically incapable. If you can squat, that's all you need to do.
 
BiggT said:
Leg presses are for the physically incapable. If you can squat, that's all you need to do.

T, not true! I am capable. I think this is a good way to get a burn.
 
blueta2 said:
T, not true! I am capable. I think this is a good way to get a burn.

lol, yes you are very capable. Getting a burn, however, is in no way indicative of a productive workout.
 
The leg press is for reatrds and cripples - just like all other machines -

Men Squat, Dead, Bench, and Row. You can find us at the chalky end of the weight room in a pile of sweat, tears, and blood.
 
Contrary to what most people believe (thanks to the 'genious' of Joe Weider and Arthur Jones) getting sore and pumped and burned is not indicative of a productive workout that will contribute to long-term progress. Flushing blood into a muscle and getting pumped is nice to sweel you up for a half hour and that's about it. DOMS is also not a sign of progress, but a sign that the body is unconditioned to do what you made it do.

A sign of progress is progression of tangible variables with some constants in place (ie using more weight over a set/rep scheme.......or doing more sets or reps or both with the same weight).
 
BiggT said:
Contrary to what most people believe (thanks to the 'genious' of Joe Weider and Arthur Jones) getting sore and pumped and burned is not indicative of a productive workout that will contribute to long-term progress. Flushing blood into a muscle and getting pumped is nice to sweel you up for a half hour and that's about it. DOMS is also not a sign of progress, but a sign that the body is unconditioned to do what you made it do.

A sign of progress is progression of tangible variables with some constants in place (ie using more weight over a set/rep scheme.......or doing more sets or reps or both with the same weight).


but drop sets are still good right....lol
 
BiggT said:
Contrary to what most people believe (thanks to the 'genious' of Joe Weider and Arthur Jones) getting sore and pumped and burned is not indicative of a productive workout that will contribute to long-term progress. Flushing blood into a muscle and getting pumped is nice to sweel you up for a half hour and that's about it. DOMS is also not a sign of progress, but a sign that the body is unconditioned to do what you made it do.

A sign of progress is progression of tangible variables with some constants in place (ie using more weight over a set/rep scheme.......or doing more sets or reps or both with the same weight).

You have a way with words. A great post! As I would expect from you.
 
Protobuilder said:
Amplify02XT gives you pumps even BEFORE you lift weights, broz!!

One time it got me so pumped, my arms grew one inch just turning my steering wheel on my way into the gym parking lot. :jenscat :Popcorn: :theshadow :rainbow: :rainbow: :rainbow: :evil: :chomp: :stilleto: :raina:
 
Been sick lately and all of my joints have been so swollen that you can't even see my elbows or my knees, literally.

I did leg press last night for two reasons:

1) I'd already done squats
2) There were already some plates on the machine

I'm not going to spend my time packing enough weight onto that stupid leg press machine to be able to do a set or two that MIGHT add in some size or strength. 10 minutes of putting weight on the machine and taking it off for a couple of sets? I call that cardio.
 
Some people mentioned that leg presses are for cripples...well my wife has had a couple of knee surgeries due to a track injury in highschool and is missing some cartledge. She wants to start weight training again with me after Christmas. We will probably wrap her knee, and I was thinking perhaps have her do leg presses instead of squats. Any advice on that?
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
Some people mentioned that leg presses are for cripples...well my wife has had a couple of knee surgeries due to a track injury in highschool and is missing some cartledge. She wants to start weight training again with me after Christmas. We will probably wrap her knee, and I was thinking perhaps have her do leg presses instead of squats. Any advice on that?

I say do whatever she can. You can contact Alan at www.prowriststraps.com (APT) and he can hook you up with some knee sleeves as well as all types of different knee wraps. She doesn't need a tight pair.

I'd work on the hamstring curl and the mid and wide stance good mornings too. They will really help to "shell" the entire knee joint to get it ready, someday, for squatting.

Leg press, leg exts, heck yeah...start with NOTHING and bust out 100 reps, then add some weight and go for 80-90, then add more and go for 60-70, slowly. No reason to get an injury when getting over one.

And SLOWLY start working on some really high box squats, start lowering the box every week or so, and just go from there. Set some goals and make some plans on how you can reach them.
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
Some people mentioned that leg presses are for cripples...well my wife has had a couple of knee surgeries due to a track injury in highschool and is missing some cartledge. She wants to start weight training again with me after Christmas. We will probably wrap her knee, and I was thinking perhaps have her do leg presses instead of squats. Any advice on that?

The leg press can be much worse than the squat on the knees. Then again a poorly performed squat can be very bad too. The one issue with the squat is that you can't go lighter than bodyweight and for an injury that can be far too heavy. Honestly she might want to start with a machine and isolation exercises for a bit (even the leg press sled can have significant weight). Really take her time and feel it out.

Once she determines she's healthy enough for full range movements with load - she could start with bodyweight squats and then work from there. I'd absolutely read this piece on the squat and I've quoted the relevant info related to the knee and rehabilitation below: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5124176&postcount=825

There are several schools of thought on squat depth. Many misinformed individuals caution against squatting below parallel, stating that this is hazardous to the knees. Nothing could be further from the truth. (2) Stopping at or above parallel places direct stress on the knees, whereas a deep squat will transfer the load to the hips,(3) which are capable of handling a greater amount of force than the knees should ever be exposed to. Studies have shown that the squat produces lower peak tibeo-femoral(stress at the knee joint) compressive force than both the leg press and the leg extension.(4) For functional strength, one should descend as deeply as possible, and under control. (yes, certain individuals can squat in a ballistic manner, but they are the exception rather than the rule). The further a lifter descends, the more the hamstrings are recruited, and proper squatting displays nearly twice the hamstring involvement of the leg press or leg extension. (5,6) and as one of the functions of the hamstring is to protect the patella tendon (the primary tendon involved in knee extension) during knee extension through a concurrent firing process, the greatest degree of hamstring recruitment should provide the greatest degree of protection to the knee joint. (7) When one is a powerlifter, the top surface of the legs at the hip joint must descend to a point below the top surface of the legs at the knee joint.

Knee injuries are one of the most commonly stated problems that come from squatting, however, this is usually stated by those who do not know how to squat. A properly performed squat will appropriately load the knee joint, which improves congruity by increasing the compressive forces at the knee joint. (8,(9) which improves stability, protecting the knee against shear forces. As part of a long-term exercise program, the squat, like other exercises, will lead to increased collagen turnover and hypertrophy of ligaments. (10,11) At least one study has shown that international caliber weightlifters and powerlifters experience less clinical or symptomatic arthritis. (12) Other critics of the squat have stated that it decreases the stability of the knees, yet nothing could be further from the truth. Studies have shown that the squat will increase knee stability by reducing joint laxity, as well as decrease anterior-posterior laxity and translation. (13,14) The squat is, in fact, being used as a rehabilitation exercise for many types of knee injuries, including ACL repair. (15)
 
The thing with the leg press is that there's much much more hip involvement than a squat. Turn a leg press on the side and what do you get? a totally GM'd squat with the torso almost parallel to the floor.

Foot placement is a biggie here, you can easily either end up hurting the knees (feet too low) or the back (too high)

personally, I like it - doing it after front squats allows me to work the muscles into the ground... fronts are more balance/groove depenent and with my injuries I'm not capable of pushing more than 3 sets before by glute starts to hurt. Good assistance, not a subsitute for the squat by any means

:rainbow:
 
The one issue with the squat is that you can't go lighter than bodyweight and for an injury that can be far too heavy

Most people should be able to use the back of a chair or a stable bar fixed at shoulder height and use the arms to take away some of the weight. Anyone who can climb stairs and/or run can squat.
 
Inhibitor13 said:
Is it a good or bad idea to do both? I mean is there something I can hit on the leg press that I wouldnt be hitting on the squats? Right now I do both but I am thinking about just dropping the press and doing more squats...what do you guys think?

Squats are great but the leg press is nice as well. First off, the leg press will help you take stress off your spinal column. You can train one leg at a time. It tends to be safer which is great when doing crazy high rep sets to failure. But I would suggest doing both but not in the same session.
 
Prot builder and Big t

I am going tosend both of you some Amplify02

have to go through this lot since its committed already, but on the next one I am going to send you both some .........

then you will understand
 
OMEGA said:
Prot builder and Big t

I am going tosend both of you some Amplify02

have to go through this lot since its committed already, but on the next one I am going to send you both some .........

then you will understand

then you will have laser like focus too!
 
OMEGA said:
Prot builder and Big t

I am going tosend both of you some Amplify02

Great idea, Omega: the actual crucible.

The big difference for me between squat and press lies in overall fitness or 'the real world'. If I had to get under a heavy load or get someone off my back I'd be glad to have spent my time squating. Press is useful if you want to add volume to your workout but it can't replace the full body strength and co-ordination you get from squats.
 
lol:heart:

as a I said after this Lot I will be happy to accomidate
this is not an attempt to co-opt either, if you guys think its crap then its crap.
wont spam or post here either in his forum till that feedback is accrued.....
 
I'm still in knee rehab. For the record, being able to use stairs is not an indication that one can squat. I remember standing out in my power rack with a bar on my back and feeling fear at the thought of going down into a squat with it.

When I could comfortably do body-weight squats again, I ventured to begin work with the bar. I worked up by adding 2.5Kg per session doing a simple 5x5 rep-scheme with the weight for the day. After a while, I'd also do a single set with an extra 20Kg or 30Kg on top. I also started to work in rack pulls and GMs to try to load the joint over a shorter range of motion.

When I reached 80Kg I started going up in 5Kg jumps. I added in full deadlifts again last week and I'll be squatting 105Kg for 5x5 today. I firmly believe that there is no better exercise than deep squats for overall health and strength.

Lol @ BFold. I remember when I used to use a leg press and I pretty much always felt, once I'd loaded the thing up, that the idea of pressing it and unloading it all again was just too much like hard work.
 
i remember some article on t-nation where the writer talked about some fat guy who came up to him and said he wanted to reduce his weight. the first thing he had the guy do was to load all the 45lb plates onto the leg press machine and then unload them!
 
is dead lift better than a squat? the football coach had us stop doing it cause he said its bad for your back
 
theguy351 said:
is dead lift better than a squat?

Not better or worse. Just different. Two different exercises that emphasize different things.

the football coach had us stop doing it cause he said its bad for your back

If done improperly, yes. But anything done incorrectly can be harmful. A proper deadlift should strengthen, not harm, the back and hips.
 
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