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damnit458

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Im sure this is going to sound retarded, but...

I have a problem doing squats. For some reason I cannot force my body to go down in the right form that it should be, and thus never get anywhere near how low I should be. Ive looked arround for what I could do, to maybe try and force myself to go down the right way but I have been unsuccessful. I still work my legs/back when I do them, I just know that Im not working them nearly enough, and I can never get past 90 degrees, which just seems worthless to me.

So, is there anything you guys can think to do? I know how to go down, mentally anyway, I just can never seem to do it right. It really sucks because I know how crucial squats are to any routine, and I can feel myself doing them the wrong way. Anyway, do you guys have any suggestions on what to do?
 
You could...
Use light weight (according to your feel) and use a very low box. With the light weight, you are just getting used to it, and it helps you "go down". As for the box, if it is low enough, it will be a "crutch" for you and help you "sit" down correctly. It will also help assist you when you remove the box by building your explosive power up.
 
There are flexibility exercises you can do to improve your form, I'll see if I can find a link.

Here's a flexibility exercise,

Practice the Squat Stretch. To perform the squat stretch, load the bar
with 50-60% 1RM and settle into the squat as deep as possible with perfect
form. Hold that position for 20-30 seconds and slowly settle deeper and
deeper into it as the connective tissues warm. Repeat 2-3 times befor
beginning your squat workout. Some gentle side to side and figure 8's with
the body while setteling at the bottom will not hurt. NOTE: To protect your
low back from injury while deep squatting, stand in a good upright posture
and have a partner run a strip of good athletic tape down both lumbar
erector muscles, anchoring the tape to your sacrum. After you pull your
pants up, start your squat. You will be reminded by the tape every time you
lose your lumbar curve (very effective if your back is harry!) By using
this training aid, you will be more consiously aware of when to tighten the
back and abdominal muscles to stabilize the pelvis against the pull of
tight hip extensors. In due time, you will develop adequat hip flexability
to squat like an Olympic lifter. If you ignore the tape, you may get to be
on my waiting list for a disk rehab exercise program!

Paul Chek MSS, HHP, NMT
 
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Looks like some seriously good advice posted above,but as your problem sounds soo familiar to me I'll just add that I've also used Zercher and front squats, which, for some reason, I have no problem going below parallel on. You can go as heavy as you like on these, giving your muscle groups an idea what to expect at the heavier work loads. Box squats for sure are good too. I've been trying the stretching approach when I do conventional squats, but resonator's ideas should bump my game plan.
 
Hmmm, I'm wondering if it's a flexibility problem myself... try working on that and using light weights to get used to the form and go from there...
 
I noticed something today. I had the "pussy pad" on today and when I tried to drop down, the weight just seemed unatural and at an ackward position. I took it off and sucked up the pain of my non-existant traps. I then went on to do shrugs :D
 
Good advice from the others. I would also suggest 2 things -

a) stop thinking so much. obviously make sure you have good form, but beyond that - just do it. it's like a batter in a slump - the more he thinks about it, the worse it gets. sometimes you just need to get up there and do it.

b) when I had some trouble like this a while ago I did 2 things, I stretched to get better flexibility and I also tried to concentrate on really sticking my ass and hips back and down when squatting. seemed to work.
 
IMO use a smith machine until you know you have perfect form... and like killabee said, don't think so much, just do it.
 
b) when I had some trouble like this a while ago I did 2 things, I stretched to get better flexibility and I also tried to concentrate on really sticking my ass and hips back and down when squatting. seemed to work.[/QUOTE]
Yep- I thought my form was good enough also untill I took a few before each set to concentrate on leading with my ass. You'll be amazed at the improvement.
 
good advice so far....just make sure you keep your head up, keep your back as straight as possible, and do not by any means let your lower back roll

goodluck!
 
and don't even think about using a Smith machine to work on your form: it'll put you below square one.

Stick some minimal weight on the bar and just make sure that you can get out from under and concentrate on getting down without any worries about getting back up. You'll eventually find a sensation of 'settling in' at the bottom and then you'll know you got it. After that, worry about getting back up again.

You'll find that you can handle much less weight than you might have been used to. Put away any ego issues and accept it. It'll be worth it.
 
damnit458 said:
Im sure this is going to sound retarded, but...

I have a problem doing squats. For some reason I cannot force my body to go down in the right form that it should be, and thus never get anywhere near how low I should be. Ive looked arround for what I could do, to maybe try and force myself to go down the right way but I have been unsuccessful. I still work my legs/back when I do them, I just know that Im not working them nearly enough, and I can never get past 90 degrees, which just seems worthless to me.

So, is there anything you guys can think to do? I know how to go down, mentally anyway, I just can never seem to do it right. It really sucks because I know how crucial squats are to any routine, and I can feel myself doing them the wrong way. Anyway, do you guys have any suggestions on what to do?


Are you really warmed up before you get to the squat rack?

I do atleast 5 mins on the cross trainer slowly building up to the max resistance. From there I take on the leg extension, leg curl and adduc-abductor machines and just do light sets of 20 reps one after the other in circuit fashion intil my hips and knees feel almost pumped up.

After that I do some light stretches focusing on my lower back and knees. My ankles are VERY flexible (no reason why, they just happen to be), but if they weren't then i'd be warming them up too, in order to allow correct ROM at the bottom of the squat.

It takes about 15 mins but I definitely feel that it is worth it. When I was getting back into squats after patellar tendonitis (the first time - I've got it again now), I would workout at home with a broomstick. 20 sets of 20 reps wit hno weight, going down as deep and coming up as straight as I could. That meant tha by the time I got into the gym my mind-muscle connection was already really strong.

I think that it is very important that you have identified yor shortcomings in the squat and that you are looking to get them sorted. Some people go all the way through life doing fundamentals like squats wrong and I can't help but think "wanker" when I see it!
 
damnit458 said:
Im sure this is going to sound retarded, but...

I have a problem doing squats. For some reason I cannot force my body to go down in the right form that it should be, and thus never get anywhere near how low I should be. Ive looked arround for what I could do, to maybe try and force myself to go down the right way but I have been unsuccessful. I still work my legs/back when I do them, I just know that Im not working them nearly enough, and I can never get past 90 degrees, which just seems worthless to me.

So, is there anything you guys can think to do? I know how to go down, mentally anyway, I just can never seem to do it right. It really sucks because I know how crucial squats are to any routine, and I can feel myself doing them the wrong way. Anyway, do you guys have any suggestions on what to do?

sound like the perfect candidate for box squats. you dont necessarily have to go right to a parallel or below parallel box. start with something that is slightly lower than what you go to now with out the box. get comfortable going to that depth, and then lower the box. keep repeating until you reach a parallel box squat.
killah touched on concentrating on sticking your ass and hips back and out when squatting. this, indeed will help with you in getting down. one thing that you want to concentrate on after you squats is your hamstrings. stronger hamstrings will help you in sitting back in your squat.

just a question...but have you ever had a lower back injury or any other injury that was a result of squatting? if so, this could be a mental barrier that is preventing you from getting to parallel.
 
My GF squats and has absolutely perfect technique. Why? Because someone(this dickhead here!!) spent a full 30 minutes watching her squat and kept correcting her until she got the technique perfect. She started off with an empty bar and concentrated 100% on techniwuq. Now she is making great progress and her technique is still perfect

The point is....do not be afraid to drop right back and get your technique perfect by driving back the glutes, keeping the back straight and looking upwards, break parallel, and then explode up through the bar. Once you have perfect technique, the heavy lifting will soon follow. Its when technique is poor that problems magnify themselves as the extra kilos are put on the Bar. Good luck bro
 
Illuminati said:
sound like the perfect candidate for box squats. you dont necessarily have to go right to a parallel or below parallel box. start with something that is slightly lower than what you go to now with out the box. get comfortable going to that depth, and then lower the box. keep repeating until you reach a parallel box squat.
killah touched on concentrating on sticking your ass and hips back and out when squatting. this, indeed will help with you in getting down. one thing that you want to concentrate on after you squats is your hamstrings. stronger hamstrings will help you in sitting back in your squat.

just a question...but have you ever had a lower back injury or any other injury that was a result of squatting? if so, this could be a mental barrier that is preventing you from getting to parallel.

Nope never had a lower back injury. I know what my problem is, and even more so than stated above. A lot of the problem is mental, as killahbee said. Its interesting the analogy he used. I played baseball for fourteen years (catcher), but had to stop because of a mental thing (remember chuck knoblach and his throwing problems from second.....). Ill research box squats more, and look into it, along with the stretches. The few times I do get good squats off it is because of concentrating on leading with my hips/ass, so ill try to go off of that also. Thanks for the help everyone!
 
damnit458 said:
Nope never had a lower back injury. I know what my problem is, and even more so than stated above. A lot of the problem is mental, as killahbee said. Its interesting the analogy he used. I played baseball for fourteen years (catcher), but had to stop because of a mental thing (remember chuck knoblach and his throwing problems from second.....). Ill research box squats more, and look into it, along with the stretches. The few times I do get good squats off it is because of concentrating on leading with my hips/ass, so ill try to go off of that also. Thanks for the help everyone!

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good to hear you are in tune with your thoughts though. lmao @ knoblauch - as a Yankee fan I was in complete amazement and also felt so bad for the guy. the box squats is a great idea.
 
riverrock said:
My GF squats and has absolutely perfect technique. Why? Because someone(this dickhead here!!) spent a full 30 minutes watching her squat and kept correcting her until she got the technique perfect. She started off with an empty bar and concentrated 100% on techniwuq. Now she is making great progress and her technique is still perfect

The point is....do not be afraid to drop right back and get your technique perfect by driving back the glutes, keeping the back straight and looking upwards, break parallel, and then explode up through the bar. Once you have perfect technique, the heavy lifting will soon follow. Its when technique is poor that problems magnify themselves as the extra kilos are put on the Bar. Good luck bro

Yeah I figured, not to mention we've all heard stories about problems leading from bad technique. In my mind its better to stop now and get it right than going ahead with bad form, and risking injury (I dunno what id do w/my time w/o lifting ;) )
 
KillahBee said:
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good to hear you are in tune with your thoughts though. lmao @ knoblauch - as a Yankee fan I was in complete amazement and also felt so bad for the guy. the box squats is a great idea.

lol yeah as did I, until it hit me in my last year of highschool. Its weird. I had been playing for as long as I could remember, batting clean up, making all star teams all the while I was about 30 pounds overweight. Freshman through Junior year I played while slowly droping my weight and getting in shape, and then senior year it just hit. It got to the point one time where in a spring league game I actually was making shit throws to the pitcher after pitches because I was thinking about it so much, yet I was throwing people out stealing from first to second because it is pure instinct, and there is no time to think. Powerful thing the mind is :p
 
damnit458 said:
Im sure this is going to sound retarded, but...

I have a problem doing squats. For some reason I cannot force my body to go down in the right form that it should be, and thus never get anywhere near how low I should be. Ive looked arround for what I could do, to maybe try and force myself to go down the right way but I have been unsuccessful. I still work my legs/back when I do them, I just know that Im not working them nearly enough, and I can never get past 90 degrees, which just seems worthless to me.

So, is there anything you guys can think to do? I know how to go down, mentally anyway, I just can never seem to do it right. It really sucks because I know how crucial squats are to any routine, and I can feel myself doing them the wrong way. Anyway, do you guys have any suggestions on what to do?

If this is just purely (knees going to far forward) a form issue I have a suggestion.. this is what I did to practice at home... instructed by my coach until my form was near flawless

Stan facing a wall... toes almost touching.. maybe 1 inch away. Not sure of your stance.. I squat wide sumo.. You can use a broom stick to help you balance also. Squat down... Your knees should not touch the wall. It will seem like you will blast your face against it too... I actually did a few times.

You don't have weight so you don't have to worry about not coming back up.. go as deep as you can until you get it perfect. I also talk to myself while I squat.. give myself the basic instruction.. Spread knees, ass out, chest up. Helps me to keep it all in check.
 
damnit458 said:
Yeah I figured, not to mention we've all heard stories about problems leading from bad technique. In my mind its better to stop now and get it right than going ahead with bad form, and risking injury (I dunno what id do w/my time w/o lifting ;) )

Also where do you place the bar on your back? Something simple like placing it lower (below the traps) I call this my squat shelf.. LOL... can make a huge difference. I don't use a pad either .. Only when i did high bar squats did I and I found it harder to squat with it... to high up on my back and it felt like it would throw me forward, too much strain on my back.
 
Frisky said:
If this is just purely (knees going to far forward) a form issue I have a suggestion.. this is what I did to practice at home... instructed by my coach until my form was near flawless

Stan facing a wall... toes almost touching.. maybe 1 inch away. Not sure of your stance.. I squat wide sumo.. You can use a broom stick to help you balance also. Squat down... Your knees should not touch the wall. It will seem like you will blast your face against it too... I actually did a few times.

You don't have weight so you don't have to worry about not coming back up.. go as deep as you can until you get it perfect. I also talk to myself while I squat.. give myself the basic instruction.. Spread knees, ass out, chest up. Helps me to keep it all in check.

Hmm now this sounds promising =-)
Thnx for the suggestion!
 
Try reading through this post. Also in this forum are more posts/threads about squatting in general - just because PL's are always working on our squat for competitions, etc. Good luck and take care.

The Squat:
Powerlifting Forum - the Squat

Also as someone mentioned - try box squatting:

Squatting from Head to Toe
Introducing the Box Squat
by Dave Tate

Dave Tate knows strength. Dave's been assisting and training under Louie Simmons of Westside Barbell fame for over 10 years and has consulted thousands of athletes throughout the world. Dave is quick to point out that he's not a bodybuilder and therefore doesn't train bodybuilders. He's a powerlifter and a specialist in developing maximal strength. (Despite this powerlifting emphasis, the average guy under his tutelage puts on 30 to 40 pounds a year.)

In Dave's last article he taught us the secrets of a big bench. This time, Dave has written the definitive article on the infamous Westside box squat. Does he know what he's talking about? He squats 935 pounds himself, what do you think?

The Box Squat

Technique is the most important factor in squatting big weights. If you're training with bad technique then it doesn't matter what supplemental exercises you use or how many sets or reps you perform. Your squat will only go so far and then get stuck. This article will describe the correct technique for performing the box squat. I feel the box squat is the best way to train the squat, period. The form is the same as the regular squat but with the added bonus of being able to develop explosive strength. The box squat also places all the stress directly on all the squatting muscles.

Every member of Westside Barbell performs box squats year around with the only regular "free squat" being done in competition. The technique I'll describe has taken my squat from 760 to 935 over the past five years, but I wasn't always a big fan of the box squat. When I squatted 760, I didn't believe in box squatting and trained all my squats the same way many of you are doing now. I used a progressive overload method using the Western method of periodization. The result of all my hard work? My squat stayed at the 730 to 760 range for five years without any progress! I had to change. Part of this change included box squatting.

The use of the box squat made a tremendous difference in my progress and the progress of my training partners. Every one of us added 100 to 200 pounds to our max efforts after adopting the box squat. We also understood the importance of perfecting the box squat to get a big carryover in competition. We check each other's form on a constant basis and the things we look for will be detailed in this article.

Now, you may have heard from some sissy wearing spandex that the box squat is dangerous. When someone talks about the dangers of box squatting, it's apparent they simply don't know how to perform the lift correctly. Sure, if you're trying to bounce off the box or you're using more weight than you can handle, then there are definitely dangers to the spine. When performed correctly, however, box squats are safe. And, I believe box squats are so effective that you don't need to perform regular squats in your training at all!


Advantages of Box Squatting

There are many advantages to box squatting:

1) Training on a box will allow you to sit back onto the box to a point where your shins are past perpendicular to the floor. This places all the stress on the squatting muscles (hips, glutes, lower back and hamstrings.) When you can increase the stress on these muscles and lower the stress on the quads, then you'll be ready to see your squat poundages start moving.

2) Restoration is another major advantage of box squatting. You can train more often on a box when compared to free squatting. According to Louie Simmons, the original members of Westside Barbell in Culver City, California, used to perform box squats three times a week. Currently at Westside we train the box squat every Friday for our dynamic workout and occasionally on Monday's maximal effort workouts. If you're new to box squats, I suggest you do them once per week.

3) When performing box squats you never have to guess how low you're squatting. It'll always be the same. Think about it: when most people start adding weight to the bar, their squats get higher and higher. You see this all the time in any gym you go to. They look good with the light weights, then begin doing quarter squats when the weight gets heavy. With box squats, you'll always go low enough.

4) The last reason to box squat is to reinforce good squat technique. Many times for the intermediate or beginning squatter, the hamstrings aren't yet developed and "sitting back" into a squat is impossible without falling over backward. To teach these athletes how to free squat properly would take months. The squat wouldn't look right until the hamstrings and glute strength increases. Why wait two or three months? Put them on the box and you'll have them squatting properly within five minutes. Within one month the hamstrings will begin to kick in because of the added stress of sitting back on the box.


The Details

Now, are you ready to box squat? Good.

Phase I: The first thing to check for is proper body position at the beginning of the lift. Keep in mind you'll have to keep the entire body tight. If any body part is held loose it will become your weak link and you'll break down.

Before setting up under the bar you'll need to grasp the barbell and duck under it with your feet about shoulder width apart or slightly wider. While under the bar you'll have to start to really tighten up. Grasp the bar with your hands and start to squeeze it as if you were trying to bend the bar across your back. Next, pull your shoulder blades together as tight as possible while pulling your elbows forward. This is to keep the upper back locked in this position during the lift. If your elbows are flaring out, it'll cause the barbell to travel forward at some point during the lift. The key to squatting big weights is to keep the barbell path traveling in the shortest line as possible. Any deviation from this line will cause a missed lift.

Now that your upper back is tight you'll need to tighten your midsection. First, expand your abdomen as much as possible. When you pull air into your body it should be into the diaphragm, not the chest. Expand you belly and push it out against your belt. This will stabilize and support the lower back and not elongate the spine. If you're having a hard time trying to figure this out, then wear your weight belt one notch loose and push into it with your belly so it becomes tight.

Pushing your belly out goes against what many believe because they feel training this way will cause injuries to the lower back. After 30 years of box squatting Westside has had 23 lifters squat over 800 pounds, six over 900 pounds and one over a grand. Not one of these lifters or any of the others has had lower back problems.

Another aspect of this to keep in mind is the circumference of the waist line. If I suck my belly in my waist line measures 42 inches. If I pull air into my belly and push it out it measures 48 inches. The wider base the stronger the lifter. This is why lifters with a bigger waist squat more. The pyramids in Egypt are also built with a wide base and they have been standing for centuries. As the car commercials used to say, wider is better.

I learned this lesson firsthand at the 1990 Toledo Hall of Fame powerlifting competition. I'd just tried a 760 squat and got smashed with it. This was my second attempt of the day and I decided to give it another try on the third. I had some doubts because the second attempt wasn't even close. Saying I got smashed is an understatement. The weight stapled me to the floor! I didn't even get out of the bottom of the lift. This weight was a 20 pound personal record for which I had spent the last four months training.

I didn't understand what the problem was or how to fix it. On the third attempt, while I was getting wrapped, Louie Simmons walked up to me and told me to get my abdominals tight. I had no idea what he was talking about at the time, but would within the next few minutes. As I got under the weight I realized Louie was the spotter behind me. (No pressure there, huh?) As I got set under the bar he told me to expand and push my belly into the belt. Now I understood what he was talking about. I was always told to flex my abs, but never to expand and push out.

As I set the bar up, I noticed that I had never felt so tight and stable. Once set, I locked in my back and began the squat. I kept my belly pushed into the belt and blasted the weight up! I had just smoked a weight that stapled me to the floor moments earlier all because I learned how to use my abdominals! In my opinion, this concept is one of the most misunderstood in the sport of powerlifting today. Many lifters don't know how to use their core to set up a squat. Some do nothing at all while others are trying to suck their stomachs in. This is probably fine for those who strive to squat 400 pounds, but if you're looking to squat maximal weights in the 700 to 900 range, you'd better learn how to use your core.

All the power of the lower body is transferred through your core to the barbell. If this core isn't tight the power will "get lost" so to speak and never travel to the bar. While I don't agree with the use of a belt for the majority of training, I do believe in the use of belts to teach a person how to use the abdominals while squatting. The belt is a training aid in competition, so you must learn how to use it to its fullest advantage.

Phase II: Now that you have your upper back and belly tight, you need to arch the bar out of the rack. When you take a barbell out of the rack, it should never hit the front supports. This shifts the weight to the toes and will cause you to lose your tightness (as well as set the bar in a position to use your quads instead of your hips and hamstrings.)

Arch the bar out, then push with your legs to get the bar off the racks. Keep the arch. Step back with one leg, then the other. You want to maintain your tightness and set your stance as wide as possible. I believe in using a wide stance when squatting because it'll shorten the distance the bar will have to travel and will place the stress more on the glutes, hips, hamstrings and back. I've figured out over time that the quads aren't that important for squatting maximal weights. Instead, it's the hips, back and hamstrings. If your quads were really doing all the work, then why wouldn't you be able to squat as much as you could leg press? So, set up in a wide stance.

From this position, pull all the air back into your belly and try to make your back and abs tighter than before. You should also be forcing your knees out to the sides. You'll know you're doing this right if your hips feel tight. This will place the stress on the hips as well as increase the leverage in the bottom of the squat. The closer you can keep your knee, ankle, shoulder and hip joints in a straight line, the greater the mechanical advantage. This is why you can quarter squat much more than you can full squat.


You also want to be pushing out on the sides of your shoes. Never push downward. Act as if you're tying to spread the floor apart. This is to further activate the hips. By the way, the best shoes to wear while squatting are the old school Converse Chuck Taylors. They're built with a flat bottom and strong canvas sides. Most other tennis shoes will cause your foot to move around too much or you'll push out over the side of the shoes.

Your butt should also be sticking out with your back arched as hard as possible. Head position is vital to keeping the barbell in the proper path for squatting. You must drive your head into the bar. This doesn't mean look up; you should actually be looking forward. You want to be looking forward for a couple of reasons. First, if you're in a competition, you'll need to see the head judge give you the squat signal. Second, you'll want to see everyone's reaction after you smoke your lift! I don't know about you, but I want to see the look of awe in their eyes after I get the lift.

Besides, if you're looking down you'll more than likely start to fall forward about half way up and miss the lift. The act of pushing your head back into the neck should be the same action as if you were to lay on the floor and push your head against the ground. As for toe position, lighter guys should usually point their toes straight ahead. Heavier guys, often because of a lack of flexibility, may want to point their toes out slightly. Now you're ready to begin the squat.

Phase III: To start the squat, I want your hips to begin the motion, not the knees. When your knees bend first, the load is shifted downward; you need the load going backward. Remember, you want the bar to travel in a straight line. Keep pushing the hips back as you squat down. The key is to "sit back." Most people sit down on a toilet with better form than they squat because they have to sit back. As you sit back you want to feel tension in the hamstrings. Act like they're springs you're trying to compact before they rebound back. This will cause a great stretch reflex out of the bottom of the squat. An explosive start is another key to squatting maximal weights.

Keep sitting back until you sit on the box. The box should be one inch lower than parallel for most people, although I sometimes recommend that less experienced lifters find a box that puts them at one inch above parallel. (Note: I can't recommend a pre-manufactured box at this time because I simply haven't found any good ones. All of our boxes at Westside are homemade. When selecting a box, most people need one between 12 and 14 inches high. Also, pick one that's big enough to fit your butt. Note that some people use a flat bench for box squats. I've found that these are seldom set at the proper height, however, and may be too narrow for some.)

As far as the definition of "parallel," it's defined as when the crease of the hip is in line with the top of the knee. Remember, most people have very poor hamstring and hip strength to squat properly in the first place. If they tried to squat without the box they'd fall over backward. The box is the best way to teach proper squat form while bringing up their weak points. The box squat also breaks the eccentric/concentric chain. This is one of the best ways to build explosive strength. The box squat also causes you to squat from a static contraction to a dynamic concentric contraction, another very effective way to build explosive strength.

When you reach the box you want to sit down and relax the hips flexors while keeping every muscle other muscle tight. You also don't want to fall down on the box and try to bounce off of it. You sit back with the same speed you squat. Pause on the box for a split second and explode off of it. No bouncing! Your knees must still be pushed out and your abs, upper back and arms should remain tight while your back stays arched. When you're on the box it's important to have the shins perpendicular to the floor or better yet, past perpendicular. This places all the tension on the squatting muscles.

Phase IV: After you pause on the box you need to explode off by first driving the head and upper back into the bar, then by driving with the hips. When you begin the squat (during the eccentric phase) the hips move first then the head. The opposite of that (the concentric phase) should involve the head moving first then the glutes. It only makes sence to try to lift the bar first. If you don't drive with the upper back first then the bar will begin to move forward. If the bar is moving forward before you drive with the hips, you'll miss the weight and fall forward.

As you're coming up you still need to maintain all tightness by driving your back into the bar, driving you head into the bar, pushing out on your knees and feet, pulling the elbows forward, keeping the shoulder blades together, and holding your air. After that there's nothing else to do but lock out and wait for the crowd to cheer.

That's all there is to it. And they say squatting isn't a technical lift! Now it's up to you. Do you want to be standing there watching others lift the big weights, or on the platform doing it yourself? You decide.
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great read, thanks a lot. It seems to me box squats are definitly the way to go. One question: At a gym, what could I use as a box? He mentioned the fact that there really wasnt any standard thing, and that some people use flat benches. Is there anything else I should look for?
 
damnit458 said:
great read, thanks a lot. It seems to me box squats are definitly the way to go. One question: At a gym, what could I use as a box? He mentioned the fact that there really wasnt any standard thing, and that some people use flat benches. Is there anything else I should look for?

a flat bench will be too high (unless you are really tall.) grab one of those aerobic steps, and stack some 45's on it, until you can sit, and your legs are parallel, or at the height that you want to use.
 
Illuminati said:
a flat bench will be too high (unless you are really tall.) grab one of those aerobic steps, and stack some 45's on it, until you can sit, and your legs are parallel, or at the height that you want to use.

Sounds good, I cant wait to get in there and give these a shot. I love how techincal the article is, half of those things I had never even thought to do :worried: .

What exactly does he mean by pushing out with your means? I understand it kind of seems self explanatory, but im having a hard time visualizing that (as I sit at my desk :rolleyes: ). Push out as pushing as if you wanted the distance between them large? Sorry if that doesnt really make sense.
 
damnit458 said:
Sounds good, I cant wait to get in there and give these a shot. I love how techincal the article is, half of those things I had never even thought to do :worried: .

What exactly does he mean by pushing out with your means? I understand it kind of seems self explanatory, but im having a hard time visualizing that (as I sit at my desk :rolleyes: ). Push out as pushing as if you wanted the distance between them large? Sorry if that doesnt really make sense.

We made our own boxes because nothing else was suitable or at the correct height. Try to visualize spreading the floor with your feet as you drive up against the weight, exploding off the box. You'll want a wide stance with your shoulder blades pulled together to support the bar. Wide grip the bar trying to pull your elbows toward the floor - this will bring up your chest. Arch your low back hard and sit back far on the box. Stay tight the whole time. Take a large breath and hold it pressing your belly out against a loose belt. Any more questions just let us know. Good Luck!!
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"We deceive ourselves when we fancy that only weakness needs support. Strength needs it far more."
 
That's excellent advice, Frisky. I've always had a bit of a problem going butt all the way down - I can get lower than parallel, but not butt to the ground. Based on your avatar and description of squats, I know I'd enjoy watching you squat.
 
Quadsweep's Sister said:
We made our own boxes because nothing else was suitable or at the correct height. Try to visualize spreading the floor with your feet as you drive up against the weight, exploding off the box. You'll want a wide stance with your shoulder blades pulled together to support the bar. Wide grip the bar trying to pull your elbows toward the floor - this will bring up your chest. Arch your low back hard and sit back far on the box. Stay tight the whole time. Take a large breath and hold it pressing your belly out against a loose belt. Any more questions just let us know. Good Luck!!
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Mythicwrld

"We deceive ourselves when we fancy that only weakness needs support. Strength needs it far more."

Building your own box is a great idea.

Something else to think about, as you are descending on the squat, you want to open your groin up (that is the only way I can think to describe it.) I really dont know how else to describe it. It would be a lot easier if I could show you, but I can't. If that description doesn't make sense, I guess that is something that you will have to figure out on your own.

One last bit of info. I'm not sure how much squatting experience you have, but most people learn to squat with the bar higher up on the traps. If you want to be able to handle heavier weight, you are gonna have to learn how to set the bar lower.

Check the sticky over on the PL forum
 
Cata1yst said:
IMO use a smith machine until you know you have perfect form... and like killabee said, don't think so much, just do it.

With all do respect stay away from that damm smith machine. It does NO good and will not do anything to help you progress to a real squat but only slow you down. I would do leg presses before I would do a smith squat.
 
ryker said:
With all do respect stay away from that damm smith machine. It does NO good and will not do anything to help you progress to a real squat but only slow you down. I would do leg presses before I would do a smith squat.

I never was a huge fan of the smith machine. Weight or control has never been an issue, I have strong legs. As stated above, it was always form. However, in regards to the smith machine, to each his/her own.

Wanna thank all you guys again, you've all been very helpful with helping me with my problem. Thanks a lot! Ill let ya know how it goes after a week or two of getting everything straight.
 
So its been about a week now. Im really happy with the progress Im making. I feel that my form is much better, although its still a struggle for me to get more than a little past parallel.
Anyway, I have one question. While I was sore as hell last week (as would be expected seeing as I hadnt lifted in about a month and a half), I have gotten over it. However, everytime I am squatting I feel soreness in my groin area, or upper thighs. Is this normal? I dont know whether its because of the weight, or just my lack of doing actual squats (Im thinking the latter). This pain seems like the one thing limiting me from going even further down, but Im not sure if reduced weight will help relieve this, or if this will just go away in time and more practice. Suggestions? Thanks in advance.


BTW : I dont think ive ever had a workout as intense as one that started out w/squats into deadlifts...the next day was pure pain hahaha :p
 
Do plenty of stretching. It sounds to me like your basic stabiliser muscles are taking a hammering from the squats. I remember when I started squatting again I had a lot of aches and pains like you describe. The only solution is a mixture of adequate recovery and stretching on your off days and then warming up before squats and do plenty of warmup sets.

From your last comment, it sounds like you're just starting the madcow 5x5 program. This is very squat-intensive and has you aiming for maximum effort within two to three weeks. You might want to think about whether it'd be worth waiting a month before starting it or stick with the single-factor version for a while. If you're on the single-factor already, my apologies for mentioning it.
 
Blut Wump said:
Do plenty of stretching. It sounds to me like your basic stabiliser muscles are taking a hammering from the squats. I remember when I started squatting again I had a lot of aches and pains like you describe. The only solution is a mixture of adequate recovery and stretching on your off days and then warming up before squats and do plenty of warmup sets.

From your last comment, it sounds like you're just starting the madcow 5x5 program. This is very squat-intensive and has you aiming for maximum effort within two to three weeks. You might want to think about whether it'd be worth waiting a month before starting it or stick with the single-factor version for a while. If you're on the single-factor already, my apologies for mentioning it.

In regards to my routine, im not doing 5x5, although it does interest me. Ive always loved doing DL's, and from past experience Ive found doing them right after squats is ideal. Ive yet to find a better combination of excercises to really hit the legs/lower back. Unfortunately, in the past my squats were never that hard, so the true impact of doing them one after the other never really dawned on me until now.

In a way im mixing and matching from diff routines, as my legs are the weak spots and Im hitting them a little more than anything else. Anyway, I want to give 5x5 a try in the future.

Ill stretch some more, and go ahead and stretch on my off days.
 
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