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Squat knee destruction

I probably tore the meniscus in my right knee last year sprinting into a pothole and now whenever I squat, heavy or light, my knee hurts like crazy and does for days. Any recommendations?
 
What kind of squats do you do???

Do you box squat?

B True
 
If you have any knee problems...IMO...you need to be box squatting and working the heck out of your hams with glut ham raises and reverse hypers...

B True
 
i agree b, i think if i had know bout box squats 7 years ago, my knee problems would have never been.

warpath, read up on box squats and see what u think
 
I think you should contact and visit your brutha first off.

Strengthen everything around the injury, i.e. ligament, tendons, and muscles surrounding the joint.

Take time off from lifting legs and use bands and/or very light weights.

Box squats are an option after you have seen a professional (jeremiah) or another.

Looking foreward to meeting you as well.
 
first of all you need to look at the structure of the knee and realize that you my friend are quad heavy. this puts uneve stress on the knee, especially since your vastus medius is very prominent. This puts your knee at extension and rotates it externally. So to solve the problem we need to look at the anatgonistic muscle, the bicept femoris. and another stabilizer popliteus. You might have a tear in one of these or if due to trauma just an excess of scar tissue, but definitely a muscluar weakness and imbalance. I would recommend light box squats, glute ham-raises and a lot of leg curls. Try no to do any SLDL since stretching a weak muscle is not good for building stregth. Also lay off the quads and realize that you normally squat with a high bar position and this stresses the quads mcuh more than the posteririo chain
 
Lord_Suston said:
first of all you need to look at the structure of the knee and realize that you my friend are quad heavy. this puts uneve stress on the knee, especially since your vastus medius is very prominent. This puts your knee at extension and rotates it externally. So to solve the problem we need to look at the anatgonistic muscle, the bicept femoris. and another stabilizer popliteus. You might have a tear in one of these or if due to trauma just an excess of scar tissue, but definitely a muscluar weakness and imbalance. I would recommend light box squats, glute ham-raises and a lot of leg curls. Try no to do any SLDL since stretching a weak muscle is not good for building stregth. Also lay off the quads and realize that you normally squat with a high bar position and this stresses the quads mcuh more than the posteririo chain
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I think you're right about my quads overpowering my hams, I'm going to smash the hams first on leg day and hit quads second and avoid squats for the meantime.
 
Lord_Suston said:
first of all you need to look at the structure of the knee and realize that you my friend are quad heavy. this puts uneve stress on the knee, especially since your vastus medius is very prominent. This puts your knee at extension and rotates it externally. So to solve the problem we need to look at the anatgonistic muscle, the bicept femoris. and another stabilizer popliteus. You might have a tear in one of these or if due to trauma just an excess of scar tissue, but definitely a muscluar weakness and imbalance. I would recommend light box squats, glute ham-raises and a lot of leg curls. Try no to do any SLDL since stretching a weak muscle is not good for building stregth. Also lay off the quads and realize that you normally squat with a high bar position and this stresses the quads mcuh more than the posteririo chain
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this is very good advice....I also would recomend you work in the transverse plain a little more, side lunges with weight, 270 degree lunges, plyo's heavy in one leg side to sides....use a roller board and put one foot on it and extend to the side and pull it back up.....all that stuff is good for rehabbing and strengthening miniscus problems.
 
Lord_Suston said:
first of all you need to look at the structure of the knee and realize that you my friend are quad heavy. this puts uneve stress on the knee, especially since your vastus medius is very prominent. This puts your knee at extension and rotates it externally. So to solve the problem we need to look at the anatgonistic muscle, the bicept femoris. and another stabilizer popliteus. You might have a tear in one of these or if due to trauma just an excess of scar tissue, but definitely a muscluar weakness and imbalance. I would recommend light box squats, glute ham-raises and a lot of leg curls. Try no to do any SLDL since stretching a weak muscle is not good for building stregth. Also lay off the quads and realize that you normally squat with a high bar position and this stresses the quads mcuh more than the posteririo chain
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Though you might be right where exactly did you get this "quad heavy" idea?
 
Good advice offered here!

All I can say is that the squat is supposed to be about the hip and upper leg. . make sure the knee remains stable.

Always focus on sitting back. This requires strengthening and developing flexibility in the hips, hams, and lower back.
 
I am battling a sore tendon in the left knee as we speak. I tape it up before training. To tell you the truth, squatting makes it feel better.

I had torn ligaments in the same knee in 1994. . .it was painful.

To get through the situation I used light weights and practice form. Gradual progression is the key. . make sure you become comfortable.
 
Warpath said:
Who here has experienced a similar injury and how did it work out for you?
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at the end of May I squatted 800. One week later I had an injury and I could BARELY walk. For 5 weeks I did nothing which required me to bend my knee (could barely bench press at that) and since then I have squatted 675, made a good run with 325 farmers, loaded a 365 stone without tacky, and did a double on a 3 board press with a close/mid grip with 425 last night...

B True
 
Warpath said:
I probably tore the meniscus in my right knee last year sprinting into a pothole and now whenever I squat, heavy or light, my knee hurts like crazy and does for days. Any recommendations?
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I have a couple of questions for you.

Is the pain really sharp or is is dull?

What do you do to warmup before a squat workout?
 
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louden_swain said:


I have a couple of questions for you.

Is the pain really sharp or is is dull?

What do you do to warmup before a squat workout?
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I dont even feel any pain until the next day, and then whenever I am walking or especially when I put it at an odd angle, like getting out of the car I really feel it. It isnt sharp, more like a real real intense sore sensatioin. It definately feels like injury pain. I have been warming up with just the bar for a few sets, then 135 for a few sets, 225 for a few , then 265 ass to the ground squats is my working weight for 8-10 smooth reps, body builder style with legs approx shoulder width.
 
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Warpath said:

I dont even feel any pain until the next day, and then whenever I am walking or especially when I put it at an odd angle, like getting out of the car I really feel it. It isnt sharp, more like a real real intense sore sensatioin. It definately feels like injury pain. I have been warming up with just the bar for a few sets, then 135 for a few sets, 225 for a few , then 265 ass to the ground squats is my working weight for 8-10 smooth reps, body builder style with legs approx shoulder width.
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therein lies your problem, if you squat Bodybuilder style it is most likely your knee crosses over your toes and creates a lot of sheering force since you squat in a relatively narrow stance. this places a lot of stress in the medial plane and your knees probably move medially on your squat when you are tired or the weight is too much.

suggestions, drop the weight and work on form, never go to failure-muscles too tired to perfomr under load will leave ligaments and tendons open to damage. widen your stance and est the bar lower on your traps. Also strengthen up abducturs, this will help keep your form really tight and proper
 
Damn it! now when I extend my lower leg I hear crunching and crackling in the knee joint. Guess I'll just have to get the shit repaired eventually.
 
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