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Spring cycle, dosage suggestions ?

chris69

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Planning on My next cycle, early-mid April. If you have experiance or suggestions, please give advice !

Dianabol- wks 1-4, 50mg ED.
Sustonon 325- wks 2-12, 650 mg wk, 2 inj.
Duraplex 100- wks 2-12, 200 mg wk, 2 inj.

Can i get away with running Duraplex(Durabolin) that low?(Don't have access to Deca) I read alot about it but never used eather of them. I think what i read about were esters containing 200mg/ml though..this is only 100mg/ml..What do ya say ?
 
chris69 said:
Planning on My next cycle, early-mid April. If you have experiance or suggestions, please give advice !

Dianabol- wks 1-4, 50mg ED.
Sustonon 325- wks 2-12, 650 mg wk, 2 inj.
Duraplex 100- wks 2-12, 200 mg wk, 2 inj.

Can i get away with running Duraplex(Durabolin) that low?(Don't have access to Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - ) I read alot about it but never used eather of them. I think what i read about were esters containing 200mg/ml though..this is only 100mg/ml..What do ya say ?

I am certainly no proponent of the "more is better" approach but i have to say that i don't think u'll get much joy from 200 mg ew. As far as i understand duraplex is just a certain brand name for deca. Am I correct here? Anyways i'd say at least 300 mg ew or just keep it until next time and do ur spring run without it. No sense to waste good gear right?
 
rambleon said:
I am certainly no proponent of the "more is better" approach but i have to say that i don't think u'll get much joy from 200 mg ew. As far as i understand duraplex is just a certain brand name for Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - . Am I correct here? Anyways i'd say at least 300 mg ew or just keep it until next time and do ur spring run without it. No sense to waste good gear right?
Well it acually (Nandrolone phenylpropinate.) But i am confused, because i also see it as a deca like you said, and i was under the impresion that deca/pheny are different realesing esters, NO ? Do you know of somthing i can run that i can shoot w/ the sustonon so that i can do 2cc inj, twice aweek. deca sounds great, but the MG/ML is not high enough on this brand it seems. ANYBODY ! Looking for a cycle like the one im on, without the Tren Sides, (sleeplessness, frequent inj,sweating, short breath ect) i love the results of dianabol/sus/tren, but need to drop the tren next time, and replace it w/ another highly anabolic agent that gets similer results as tren.
 
Why are you starting the test and deca in week 2? Just run them 1-12. I would also stop the deca 1 week before the test in order to keep from deca dick.

I don't know if you have ever ran 50mgs of d-bol ed, if you have and it works do it. If not start at 20mgs and work your way up untill you feel the effects.
 
iceman7230 said:
Why are you starting the test and Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - in week 2? Just run them 1-12. I would also stop the Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - 1 week before the test in order to keep from Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - dick.

I don't know if you have ever ran 50mgs of Dianabol - methandrostenolone - ed, if you have and it works do it. If not start at 20mgs and work your way up untill you feel the effects.
I have not gotton any bad (dick) reations to this day(Tren ect). I do loose drive, But can function fine. 50 mg of dianabol is as high as i can go, or i get Gyno without running Nolva. As far as starting on wk one, i could, just never have..so i can fool around and see if 2 wks does any justice ! Thanks. if there are any other AS i can replace deca w/ that are less inj a wk"longer halfl ife".. i would like to know about it. My schedule is crazy, and the Tren every day is a chore now ! so trying to stick to 2 inj a wk if i could !
 
chris69 said:
I have not gotton any bad (dick) reations to this day(trenbolone ect). I do loose drive, But can function fine. 50 mg of dianabol is as high as i can go, or i get gynecomastia without running Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - . As far as starting on wk one, i could, just never have..so i can fool around and see if 2 wks does any justice ! Thanks. if there are any other AS i can replace Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - w/ that are less inj a wk"longer halfl ife".. i would like to know about it. My schedule is crazy, and the Tren every day is a chore now ! so trying to stick to 2 inj a wk if i could !
You should not be using any nolvadex while using tren of deca it will cause prolactin related gyno. A better choice is arimadex.

If you want no libido issues use proviron 50mgs ed during you cycle. This also acts as an anti-estro, increases testosteron, and will increase your libido. I love proviron!

I have seen 2 types of deca:
Np
DN or DD

The 2 listed below are a once a week inject. Deca Nanadrolone and Deca Deconate. Use these if you do not want to inject so much.
 
if you have nandrolone phenylpropionate, it is a short-ester version of Nandrolone decanoate (Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - )--and 200 a week is fine. just try and pin at least 2x a week.

Duraplex 100 is nandrolone phenylpropionate, not decanoate and is dosed at 100 to pin 1 ml every 3rd day.
 
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Substance: Nandrolone Phenylpropionate
Manufactured by: can't say
Packaging: 1 x 10 ml (100mg/ml)
Average Dose: 400 - 500mg/week (M) 100mg/week (F)
Half Life: 72 hours
Water Retention: Yes, some
Aromatization: Low
DHT Conversion: None

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Nandrolone phenylpropionate is a fast-acting form of nandrolone. Nandrolone is chemically related to the male hormone testosterone. Compared to testosterone, it has an enhanced anabolic and a reduced androgenic activity. This has been demonstrated in animal bioassays and explained by receptor binding studies. The low androgenicity of nandrolone is confirmed in clinical use. In the human, nandrolone has been shown to positively influence calcium metabolism and to increase bone mass in osteoporosis. In women with disseminated mammary carcinoma, nandrolone has been reported to produce objective regressions for many months. Furthermore, nandrolone has a nitrogen-saving action. This effect on protein metabolism has been established by metabolic studies and is utilised therapeutically in conditions where a protein deficiency exists such as during chronic debilitating diseases and after major surgery and severe trauma. In these conditions, nandrolone phenylpropionate serves as a supportive adjunct to specific therapies and dietary measures as well as parenteral nutrition, due to it's faster acting nature nandrolone phenylpropionate is preffered in situations where a faster clinical respone is required over it's chemical variant nandrolone decaonate )

Nandrolone
Nandrolone is a modification of testosterone (carbon atom removed from the 19th position) With an Anabolic/Androgenic ratio: 125:37, meaning it is highly anabolic (muscle building) and moderately androgenic (male characteristics). Due to nandrolones chemical structure it only aromatizes (converts to estrogen) slightly, at about 20% the rate of testosterone when it interacts with the aromatase enzyme. Ergo, estrogenic effects are not a major concern with its use. Of note, however, is that nandrolone is a progestin with a binding affinity of 20% to the progesterone receptor (15) (PgR), so side effects are still possible, though rare. The development of breast tissue in males (gynecomastia) has been reported in some steroid.com users. One of the most popular anabolic steroid used in bodybuilding cycles, nandrolone is also (medically) used to treat severe debility or disease states and refractory anemias.(1) It promotes tissue building processes, reverses catabolism (muscle destruction) and stimulates erythropoiesis (red blood cell production). This makes it a very useful drug to treat wasting disorders such as advanced H.I.V. (2)( 16), and also, makes it highly sought after by bodybuilders and athletes.

Nandrolone Decanoate, Cypionate, Laurate Cycles
Nandrolone is most commonly found with a cypionate, laurate, decanoate or plenylpropionate ester. Briefly explained, the ester determines how much of the given hormone is released over a period of time. Longer esters such as decanoate peak slowly and can keep stable blood plasma levels up to ten days, shorter esters such as the phenylpropionate peak more rapidly but the half-live is shorter. Shorter esters usually release much more active hormone per mg than longer esters, and of course, allow the drug´s effects to leave your system more quickly.. Surprisingly NPP (Durabolin) and ND (Deca) release almost the same amount of active nandrolone per 100mgs: 69% and 65% respectively; this does not correlate exactly though because blood levels of nandrolone are much higher (about doubled) post NPP usage compared to the same 100mg dose of ND. (see chart) NPP also has more distinct advantages over ND. One of the most common complaints about adding ND (Deca) to a cycle is the water retention that accompanies its use. (3) Gains from NPP are reported to be "clean" with minimal water retention and fat gain. While ND is usually used in "bulking" cycles, NPP is used in "cutting" cycles although either drug can be used in either regard. Being an oil based anabolic it is injected intramuscularly (into the muscle), many users inject it ED or EOD, however NPP can administered E4D without problems.

Nandrolone phenylpropionate, and nandrolone in general, has a number of benefits for athletes; it increases levels of serotonergic amines in the brain, these chemicals contribute to aggressive behavior, this could help athletes to train harder and improve speed and power.4 Nandrolone also increases levels of IGF-1 in muscle tissues.(5) This may be another way that makes nandrolone highly anabolic. Nandrolone phenylpropionate also benefits the athlete by increasing the number of androgen receptors (AR) one study showed that nandrolone given to rats at a dosage of 6mg/kg of bodyweight combined with muscle functional overload (muscle functional overload gives a similar effect to resistance training) had a 1,300% (!) increase in AR protein concentrations. (6) There is a direct link to muscle growth and AR levels. NPP also seems to be a promising fat loss agent, men given the drug had reduced levels of subcutaneous (under skin) adipose(fat) tissue, visceral (gut) fat loss was not as good however.(7) The fat loss effect seems though to be dose dependant, in one study NPP at a daily dose of 1, 4, or 10mg per kg of bodyweight the 10mg dose had the greatest effect on fatloss, thus displaying a dose respondant curve with Nandrolone phenylpropionate (8). The more you use, the more results you´ll get, with regards to this drug.

Nandrolone phenylpropionate is used to treat anemia by stimulating red blood cell production,(1) and an increase in RBC count can improve endurance during exercise via better lactic acid clearing and oxygen delivery. The blood is also better enabled to carry nutrients to muscle tissue to aid in repair, administration also increases the rate of muscle glycogen repletion after exercise helping the athlete dramatically improve recovery after strenuous physical exercise.(9) Athletes who require a high level of endurance in their chosen sport can benefit from the use of NPP.(15) A favorite with bodybuilders who suffer with sore joints, NPP can also improve collagen synthesis (10), which may improve joint function and alleviate joint pains. Many members of steroid.com swear by nandrolones ability to allow them to train in comfort.

Nandrolone phenylpropionate can be highly useful in either "bulking" or "cutting" cycles, and it would seem that diet and dosages are the determining factors of whether a cycle with this drug will be one or the other. Due to its highly anabolic nature coupled with low androgenic properties it can be incorporated into a mass cycle, usually stacked with testosterone and a powerful oral like possibly oxymetholone (Anadrol) or methandrostenolone (Dianabol). NPP can thus be part of a classic bulking cycle. For a cutting cycle NPP is usually be combined with other short-estered injectable anabolic steroids (testosterone propionate and boldenone acetate come to mind as likely choices) and one of the DHT derived orals such as stanozolol (winstrol) or oxandplex (Anavar). Nandrolone phenylpropionate is said to produce good mass and strength gains in both cutting and bulking cycle phases (3). When one is planning a cutting cycle one must take caution if combining the 19-nor-testosterone derivative trenbolone with nandrolone. Trenbolone Acetate, although a powerful drug for lean muscle gains, strength, and fat loss is also a strong progestin with a binding affinity to the PgR of 60% (3x that of nandrolone). The elevated prolactin, can worsen HPTA insult, often causing the user to spend more money on preventative measures, the combo may also result in a difficult PCT protocol to regain natural testosterone production. So far few steroid.com members have any first- hand experience with Nandrolone phenylpropionate ... limited to the few who know which UGLabs sells this particular form of nandrolone. This increases the popularity of "home brewing" ...since the powder comes out of China at very affordable prices. It is only a matter of time before NPP (or Durabolin) takes a special place in the arsenal of steroid.com members in their quest for more muscle.
 
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rambleon said:
I am certainly no proponent of the "more is better" approach but i have to say that i don't think u'll get much joy from 200 mg ew. As far as i understand duraplex is just a certain brand name for Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - . Am I correct here? Anyways i'd say at least 300 mg ew or just keep it until next time and do ur spring run without it. No sense to waste good gear right?
my feelings exactly
 
iceman7230 said:
Why are you starting the test and Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - in week 2? Just run them 1-12. I would also stop the Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - 1 week before the test in order to keep from Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - dick.
what he said too :D
 
eddymerckx said:
if you have nandrolone phenylpropionate, it is a short-ester version of Nandrolone decanoate (Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - )--and 200 a week is fine. just try and pin at least 2x a week.

Duraplex 100 is nandrolone phenylpropionate, not decanoate and is dosed at 100 to pin 1 ml every 3rd day.
Damn Bro, Grab me by the collar and set me strait. Just what i needed, great info From all. Shit now if i can just wait patiantly for next cycle, im still on my current, LOL ! I luv it !
 
eddymerckx said:
bros, it is not dec.a. it the short estered version--see above. :)
oh he's using npp?
 
alcatraz1662 said:
oh he's using NPP - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - ?


yea, the only reason i noticed was i made the same mistake once myself--and found out when i counld not find "deca" on the bottle anyplace--needless to say, i had an awful lot of of NP.P--as i ordered it in dec.a doses....
 
eddymerckx said:
yea, the only reason i noticed was i made the same mistake once myself--and found out when i counld not find "Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - " on the bottle anyplace--needless to say, i had an awful lot of of NP.P--as i ordered it in dec.a doses....
O-k, so what is your advice for Dose of this NPP - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - 200/300mg a wk, E 3rd day?I m running 650mg of sustonon 2 inj wk, 1-4 dianabol.
 
chris69 said:
O-k, so what is your advice for Dose of this NPP - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - 200/300mg a wk, E 3rd day?I m running 650mg of sustonon 2 inj wk, 1-4 dianabol.

yes. 300 should be good (150 every 3rd day) it is short acting so you will know what you like and don't like. sustenon is so predictable, you will now what the n.pp,p is doing. that is the great thing about short-esters--adjustability.

always be willing to adjust a dose --most of us should never have to tough-out a hard cycle b/c the line bewteen good and bad is usally not that much (e.g. 30 mg d-b/ol and i am a happy camper--35 mg and my bp goes through the roof and a shed like a sheepdog)

good luck bro and let us know how it works.
 
eddymerckx said:
yea, the only reason i noticed was i made the same mistake once myself--and found out when i counld not find "Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - " on the bottle anyplace--needless to say, i had an awful lot of of NP.P--as i ordered it in dec.a doses....
:worried: ......if you need someone to take the extra off your hands, let me know. :chomp:
 
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