some shrinkage already!!!

[warrior08]

6ft 235lbs
lifting for at least 5-6 years
2nd real cycle

currently runing: 500mg of test enth a week. did 3 weeks of anadrol kicker 50mg on workout days.

im on week 5 and have already noticed a some ball shrinkage already!
im not running any hcg while on.
im using Adex 3x week at .5mg

my source was out of HCG but just got some in so i was going to get some for pct and use that along with some clomid and nolvadex.

the shrinkage is nothing too crazy but just alittle woried considering its only week 5 and i got another 5 weeks to go.

my question is since im going to be ordering some HCG soon for pct. how much Hcg should i run PCT and how long.

Pct im going to use 50mg of clomid for 30 day and noladex 20mg for 45 days. along with Hcg.

thanks guys

 

[pbhardbody]

consider running hcg or proviron during your cycle. it keeps your natural test production up and gives you more benefit from the test you are injecting. plus you limit the atrophy issues you are having. here is a thread on EF where we were just discussing this. http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/l...ding/trt-6-months-wheres-my-balls-693839.html

 

[Boxingheels]

When are you getting HCG? Its prob better to run towards the end of cycle and cut it off before you start pct. Your pct is a little weak as well.

 

[d baller]

Run the HCG 2x250iu per week for the last 5 weeks. Then bump it up to 3x500iu for weeks 11, 12, 13. Start your normal PCT with Clomid and Nolva after week 12.

 

[warrior08]

should be getting the HCG by the end of week 7(gonna try to find it earlier) so i guess ill run 2x 250iu till week 10 and then bump it up to 500iu 3x a week for the next 2 weeks or so and then run the nolva and clomid. how does this sound?

 

[warrior08]

hey pbhardbody how much proviron would u suggest taking cuase i might be able to get the easier and quicker

 

[pbhardbody]

hey pbhardbody how much proviron would u suggest taking cuase i might be able to get the easier and quicker

50 mgs a day split into two doses should be fine. now you dont really need proviron AND hcg during the cycle. so if you are gonna run proviron during, then run the hcg for your PCT.

 

[joe d]

6ft 235lbs
lifting for at least 5-6 years
2nd real cycle

currently runing: 500mg of test enth a week. did 3 weeks of anadrol kicker 50mg on workout days.

im on week 5 and have already noticed a some ball shrinkage already!
im not running any hcg while on.
im using Adex 3x week at .5mg

my source was out of HCG but just got some in so i was going to get some for pct and use that along with some clomid and nolvadex.

the shrinkage is nothing too crazy but just alittle woried considering its only week 5 and i got another 5 weeks to go.

my question is since im going to be ordering some HCG soon for pct. how much Hcg should i run PCT and how long.

Pct im going to use 50mg of clomid for 30 day and noladex 20mg for 45 days. along with Hcg.

thanks guys

get some hcgenerate from ntbm. run it at 10 caps ed untill they come back then you may be able to drop the dosage to 5 caps.

i would run the hcg starting the day after your last test shot at 1000iu eod for 10 days then start your pct the day after your last hcg shot i you need it. the hcgenerate will probably be enough.

 

[Nelson Montana]

consider running hcg or proviron during your cycle. it keeps your natural test production up and gives you more benefit from the test you are injecting. plus you limit the atrophy issues you are having. here is a thread on EF where we were just discussing this. http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/l...ding/trt-6-months-wheres-my-balls-693839.html

Sorry, but this is incorrect. Proviron does not keep natural test production up. It suppresses it. It increases FREE testosterone (as does UNLEASHED) but will lower overall testosterone (UNLEASHED does not).

Small does of HCG are worthless. You're better off with a shot of HMG or use HCGenerate. Also, 3 weeks of 50 mgs of Anadrol is very suppressive.

 

[ALIN]

6ft 235lbs
lifting for at least 5-6 years
2nd real cycle

currently runing: 500mg of test enth a week. did 3 weeks of anadrol kicker 50mg on workout days.

im on week 5 and have already noticed a some ball shrinkage already!
im not running any hcg while on.
im using Adex 3x week at .5mg

my source was out of HCG but just got some in so i was going to get some for pct and use that along with some clomid and nolvadex.

the shrinkage is nothing too crazy but just alittle woried considering its only week 5 and i got another 5 weeks to go.

my question is since im going to be ordering some HCG soon for pct. how much Hcg should i run PCT and how long.

Pct im going to use 50mg of clomid for 30 day and noladex 20mg for 45 days. along with Hcg.

thanks guys

Instead of PCT you should be using the HCG now,,500 iu every 5 days DURING your cycle.

 

[warrior08]

ok i think im going to follow joe d advice and get some hcgenrate for the rest of my cycle and then run hcg 1000iu eod for 10 days, then do my pct. my question is when should i start the hcg right after like joe d said or wait two weeks? thanks for all he input guys

 

[pbhardbody]

Sorry, but this is incorrect. Proviron does not keep natural test production up. It suppresses it. It increases FREE testosterone (as does UNLEASHED) but will lower overall testosterone (UNLEASHED does not).

Small does of HCG are worthless. You're better off with a shot of HMG or use HCGenerate. Also, 3 weeks of 50 mgs of Anadrol is very suppressive.

Nelson - what I should have said is that it keeps your natural testosterone levels up... (not production).

this is from steroid dot com:

"if you are taking a simple stack of proviron and testosterone, you´ll have more of the test you shoot as free testosterone floating around building muscle (compliments of the Proviron), more androgen receptors to be bound to (compliments of your testosterone) by your Proviron, thus causing more fat loss. Testosterone and Proviron are a very nice synergistic stack, pretty nearly an "ideal" stack of an oral and injectable, because both drugs will actually act to enhance the effect of the other."

However, I would argue that it does not supress testosterone production. Read more from steroid dot com:

"When a reasonable dose of this stuff is given (100-150mgs/day), it had no depressing effect on low or normal serum FSH and LH levels (6). Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH) and Leutenizing Hormone (LH) are two hormones which send a signal to your testes to produce testosterone. Good news for people considering it for PCT is that it can even raise your LH (10)! Thus, by not suppressing those hormones and maybe even raising some, your normal testosterone levels will remain intact. This points to a novel use for this compound during Post-Cycyle-Therapy for a non-suppressive "bridge" between cycles. In fact, in yet another study, administration of Proviron (basically the same dose as in the last study) produced no changes in steroids, thyroid hormones, gonadotropins nor PRL (Prolactin Levels& you want those to remain low). (8)."

 

[warrior08]

Hcgenerate or proviron for the rest rest of my cycle.??? then HCG for pct. i would def like to support our sponsors here but i can get proviron for like half the price of the hcgenerate but im sure i could get the hcgenerate would come faster. idk

 

[joe d]

ok i think im going to follow joe d advice and get some hcgenrate for the rest of my cycle and then run hcg 1000iu eod for 10 days, then do my pct. my question is when should i start the hcg right after like joe d said or wait two weeks? thanks for all he input guys

you can wait a weak if you want but i like get started right away. hcg will still do the exact same thing while the test is still active so why not use it. your gear will have warn off by the time you start the actual pct.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson - what I should have said is that it keeps your natural testosterone levels up... (not production).

this is from steroid dot com:

"if you are taking a simple stack of proviron and testosterone, you´ll have more of the test you shoot as free testosterone floating around building muscle (compliments of the Proviron), more androgen receptors to be bound to (compliments of your testosterone) by your Proviron, thus causing more fat loss. Testosterone and Proviron are a very nice synergistic stack, pretty nearly an "ideal" stack of an oral and injectable, because both drugs will actually act to enhance the effect of the other."

However, I would argue that it does not supress testosterone production. Read more from steroid dot com:

"When a reasonable dose of this stuff is given (100-150mgs/day), it had no depressing effect on low or normal serum FSH and LH levels (6). Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH) and Leutenizing Hormone (LH) are two hormones which send a signal to your testes to produce testosterone. Good news for people considering it for PCT is that it can even raise your LH (10)! Thus, by not suppressing those hormones and maybe even raising some, your normal testosterone levels will remain intact. This points to a novel use for this compound during Post-Cycyle-Therapy for a non-suppressive "bridge" between cycles. In fact, in yet another study, administration of Proviron (basically the same dose as in the last study) produced no changes in steroids, thyroid hormones, gonadotropins nor PRL (Prolactin Levels& you want those to remain low). (8)."

Okay...terminology. I still wouldn;t say it keep snatural production up. Although Proviron isn;t as suppressive as straight test, it will suppress over time and does not help in recuperating HPTA. It will delay it somewhat.

One advantage is that it can be used toward the end of a cycle to harden up and into PCT to maintain libido with "less" suppression. Though I have to say, with SARMS and UNLEASHED, Proviron is becoming an antiquated drug. UNLEASHED will increase free testosterone almost as well, also by lowering SHBG as is the case with Proviron.

On my last bloodtest my total T was 920 and my free T was 500. That's pretty damn good for an old fart. That's just from 100 mgs of enth and UNLEASHED every day.

SARMS will maintain more muscle than Proviron and the suppression is about equal. (Some will say SARMS isn't suppressive, but again, it's dose and duration related).

 

[treneriffic]

3 weeks of anadrol and 5 weeks of test is more than enough time for some ball shrinkage. As soon as your nuts thnk they dont need to make any test, they shut off and try to shrink to oblivion

 

[pbhardbody]

Okay...terminology. I still wouldn;t say it keep snatural production up. Although Proviron isn;t as suppressive as straight test, it will suppress over time and does not help in recuperating HPTA. It will delay it somewhat.

One advantage is that it can be used toward the end of a cycle to harden up and into PCT to maintain libido with "less" suppression. Though I have to say, with SARMS and UNLEASHED, Proviron is becoming an antiquated drug. UNLEASHED will increase free testosterone almost as well, also by lowering SHBG as is the case with Proviron.

On my last bloodtest my total T was 920 and my free T was 500. That's pretty damn good for an old fart. That's just from 100 mgs of enth and UNLEASHED every day.

SARMS will maintain more muscle than Proviron and the suppression is about equal. (Some will say SARMS isn't suppressive, but again, it's dose and duration related).

great info. I need to check out the SARMS. Been reading posts about it.

 

[bluetoolpaul]

Instead of PCT you should be using the HCG now,,500 iu every 5 days DURING your cycle.

Yup Yup.

 

[warrior08]

hey nelson i know you said low dosage of HCG is point less would you consider 1000iu eod for 10 days enough? and do u think it would be a good idea to add some proivron for the last 2 weeks of my cycle and into my pct to hard up my gains abit? thanks

 

[warrior08]

o yea i also plan on adding an ECA stack next week to my cycle. Would this cuase any problems?? im going to run it for 6 to 8weeks so it would go into my pct.

 

[Para_Shoot]

On my last bloodtest my total T was 920 and my free T was 500. That's pretty damn good for an old fart. That's just from 100 mgs of enth and UNLEASHED every day.
SARMS will maintain more muscle than Proviron and the suppression is about equal. (Some will say SARMS isn't suppressive, but again, it's dose and duration related).[/QUOTE]


You take 100mgs of enanthate every day? Lol.

 

[Nelson Montana]

On my last bloodtest my total T was 920 and my free T was 500. That's pretty damn good for an old fart. That's just from 100 mgs of enth and UNLEASHED every day.
SARMS will maintain more muscle than Proviron and the suppression is about equal. (Some will say SARMS isn't suppressive, but again, it's dose and duration related).

You take 100mgs of enanthate every day? Lol.[/QUOTE]


Oops! 100 mgs a week! lol

 

[Nelson Montana]

hey nelson i know you said low dosage of HCG is point less would you consider 1000iu eod for 10 days enough? and do u think it would be a good idea to add some proivron for the last 2 weeks of my cycle and into my pct to hard up my gains abit? thanks

Way too much. 2 1000iu shots a couple of days apart is plenty.

HCG will only do so much. Taking MORE won't make your balls bigger after a certain point. You wish! LOL!

 

[warrior08]

So nelson you would go with something more like 1000iu every 3rd day for like 2 weeks then start my pct. thanks man

 

[C.K.]

Is there any truth that unleashed main ingredient (avena sativa) frees up about 20% of bound test and proviron does around 100% ?

 

[Nelson Montana]

So nelson you would go with something more like 1000iu every 3rd day for like 2 weeks then start my pct. thanks man

That's more than enough, but start with the supps at the same time.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Is there any truth that unleashed main ingredient (avena sativa) frees up about 20% of bound test and proviron does around 100% ?

Proviron wouldn't give a 100% increase in most men -- more like 50-60%. It's uncertain how much mega-dosing would affect that.

On average, UNLEASHED has tested an increase between 20-30%.

Double dosing showed a slightly higher percentage, but anything beyond that didn't seem to make much of a difference.

With a natural product, there's only so much the body will respond. But that's still retty amazing numbers considering it's completely non suppressive.

 

[warrior08]

hey thanks guys for all th input