some more DATING shit

[MattTheSkywalker]

Guys:

Does a woman's career, income, or financial success make her more or less attractive to you?

How about her desire to become more successful?


I personally am unmoved by how much she has or does not have, but her desire to make a better life for herself is critical to me.

How about the rest of you nutjobs?

 

[ChefWide]

Yes. Desire. Drive. Required.

 

[The Shadow]

I look at inner beauty ....nothing else matters.

She could be an artist who can barely afford to eat...she may not want to "better" herself b/c she is doing what she loves...therfore "desire" is a non-issue.....

 

[giantdouche]

I'm with Frank on this one.

 

[Dakotah]

I look at inner beauty ....nothing else matters.

She could be an artist who can barely afford to eat...she may not want to "better" herslef b/c she is doing what she loves...

nicely said- i know im not a guy but i thought this was very sweet

 

[The_Ghost]

I look at inner beauty ....nothing else matters.

She could be an artist who can barely afford to eat...she may not want to "better" herself b/c she is doing what she loves...therfore "desire" is a non-issue.....

yea I agree with ya!

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to ChefWide again.

 

[*MissFit*]

I find that guys find you more appealing ocne they find out your educated and actually have a career.

When planning a future this stuff does come into play

 

[rsnoble-im-back]

i dont like undriven barefoot mothers either. unfortunetely with ur $ you'll never really know just how much she does love u. my advice rent "coming to america" and take note.

 

[Razorguns]

Big Tits

 

[bluepeter]

Big, firm melons and a round, nicely formed backside does it for me.

 

[ChefWide]

inner beauty?!?!

c'mon shaddow, OF COURSE¨!!!

sheesh, if she had 'inner ugliness' i wouldnt be discussing her in the first place, eh? Money is useless in the equation, its about a desire, a fire, a passion, a driving force that fuels the sails of your creativity.

To be hungry for knowledge, for wisdom, to learn, to share, TO GROW!.

There is no hotter, sexier thing in the world.

 

[wutangnomo]

Guys:

Does a woman's career, income, or financial success make her more or less attractive to you?

How about her desire to become more successful?


I personally am unmoved by how much she has or does not have, but her desire to make a better life for herself is critical to me.

How about the rest of you nutjobs?

A woman's desire to make a better life for herself is absolutely critical to me; however, her choice of career is also important. A woman can better her life by simply marrying a rich guy or mulching off others, so yes it does matter to me the route a woman chooses to better herself.

With respect to her income/financial success, that would matter to some degree as well. If a woman is doing something she loves, but is living check to check or barely scraping by and is satisfied with it, then I'd be lying if I said it didn't matter to me. That shows me she is willing to settle and is not willing to strive for more. If a woman was content with making enough to pay for a her car payments, groceries and rent (and enough to go out for drinks), that would be a turn off. In order to do more, see more, learn and experience more you have to have the means, so yes financial success does matter to some degree. I'm not saying she has to be wealthy, but she does have to strive for a comfortable life.

 

[rsnoble-im-back]

personally though--she doesn't have to have $ if I see her trying thats good enough. i still cant believe i found one that puts up with me. special breed indeed.

 

[Ish]

I just don't want a woman who comes home and is perfectly content with sitting on the couch and wasting away her life watching television. Work, TV, Sleep, repeat.

 

[gotmilk]

I'm shallow. It's all about the looks for me. Also, I would hope she had a career with goals.

If I wanted someone roaming around the house all day, I would hire a maid from Venezuela...with huge breasts and a tight ass

 

[velvett]

I've always found it interesting that some people perceive "improving one's life" to be soley a monitary goal.

 

[biteme]

More successful in what way? TO make more money? That's not always so easy. Other obligations get in the way. THe most important factors to me are : That they take care of themselves and try to be as attractive as they can be (I'm a horny bastard) very important to me. And, the way they treat others.

Being successful in maintaining a high level of health and fitness. Too much work and focus on acquiring things will most often prevent being able to attain this.

 

[biteme]

I look at inner beauty ....nothing else matters.

She could be an artist who can barely afford to eat...she may not want to "better" herself b/c she is doing what she loves...therfore "desire" is a non-issue.....

Very nice, but a little bit of bullshit also. The outer self matters as well and you know it.

 

[Lestat]

i find success sexy.. and it doesn't have to involve making a ton of money.

A girl with drive is good, but if you are already successful, i dont expect someone who is continually trying to conquer the world.. i like someone who can slow down and enjoy life as well sometimes.

 

[pitbullstl]

I look at inner beauty ....nothing else matters.

She could be an artist who can barely afford to eat...she may not want to "better" herself b/c she is doing what she loves...therfore "desire" is a non-issue.....

Desire is still key in any situation. She should always be thirsting for more...what more is, is of no consequence, but always be wanting to better herself.....if she's an artist, always honing her craft, if she is the mother of my children, always thirsting for knowledge, and ways to be more in tune with our kids. I expect people to want this from me, and I expect it in return. Staus quo is for lazy MoFo's.

 

[Smurfy]

I've always found it interesting that some people perceive "improving one's life" to be soley a monitary goal.

preach on sistah!

 

[pitbullstl]

inner beauty?!?!

c'mon shaddow, OF COURSE¨!!!

sheesh, if she had 'inner ugliness' i wouldnt be discussing her in the first place, eh? Money is useless in the equation, its about a desire, a fire, a passion, a driving force that fuels the sails of your creativity.

To be hungry for knowledge, for wisdom, to learn, to share, TO GROW!.

There is no hotter, sexier thing in the world.

Saw this after my post......couldn't agree more. The single most appealing quality a person can have. Zest for life, and creativity!

 

[biteme]

Saw this after my post......couldn't agree more. The single most appealing quality a person can have. Zest for life, and creativity!

I'd choose kindness over those qualities.

 

[jerseyart]

Not for me

Constantly grasping people are annoying, and never contented. Nothing surpasses a genuinely generous and loving heart. Pretty girls are a dime a dozen. The world is full of em, and all of em wont look so hot inside 15 years.

A great sense of humor is huge. Huge!! And a genuine love of family

All the rest is bullshit

 

[MasterBates]

sometimes the whole desire thing can be all talk, if she can't back it up with facts thats a huge turn off.

 

[Smurfy]

Not for me

Constantly grasping people are annoying, and never contented. Nothing surpasses a genuinely generous and loving heart. Pretty girls are a dime a dozen. The world is full of em, and all of em wont look so hot inside 15 years.

A great sense of humor is huge. Huge!! And a genuine love of family

All the rest is bullshit

 

[ChefWide]

Not for me

Constantly grasping people are annoying, and never contented. Nothing surpasses a genuinely generous and loving heart. Pretty girls are a dime a dozen. The world is full of em, and all of em wont look so hot inside 15 years.

A great sense of humor is huge. Huge!! And a genuine love of family

All the rest is bullshit

Sorry, thats preq.

"Gee, no, I just want an insatiable learner. If she has no sence of humor its fine." Feh.

OF COURSE!!!

 

[jerseyart]

Chef:

Bor, the chick with all those qualities is the one I latch onto and never let go of God willing.

Not a criticism. For you I can see that being important. We have different personalities. Not a better/worse thing, just different make ups.

I dont require clever conversation , or constantly witty banter. Just talk

God's plan is infinitely complex, yet incredibly simple. Even the simplest person is capable of grasping it and understanding. All the rest is just static man

 

[velvett]

Some how I don't see there being a "God's plan" for knowing what you want in finding the right mate.

 

[jerseyart]

Some how I don't see there being a "God's plan" for knowing what you want in finding the right mate.

Sure there is hon.

The purpose of this earthly existence (presupposing the existence of a divine influence) is most reasonably to somehow bring us nearer the Creator. That can be reasoned.

The purpsoe of marriage then would be the same. To Catholics in particular, it is a sacrament intended to reflect the Trinity (husband-wife-child). It exists not for its own end, but as a means to draw each on that Trinity closer to God.

If ones purpose in life is endless accumulation and personal pleasure, then yes it becomes confusing. What makes you happy from day to day changes, and variety is often the focus of pleasure.

But if your goal in marriage is the former, then things are far clearer.

I dont expect mutual agreement V, just staing that a divine plan can be reasoned.

 

[*MissFit*]

Sure there is hon.

The purpose of this earthly existence (presupposing the existence of a divine influence) is most reasonably to somehow bring us nearer the Creator. That can be reasoned.

The purpsoe of marriage then would be the same. To Catholics in particular, it is a sacrament intended to reflect the Trinity (husband-wife-child). It exists not for its own end, but as a means to draw each on that Trinity closer to God.

If ones purpose in life is endless accumulation and personal pleasure, then yes it becomes confusing. What makes you happy from day to day changes, and variety is often the focus of pleasure.

But if your goal in marriage is the former, then things are far clearer.

I dont expect mutual agreement V, just staing that a divine plan can be reasoned.

u think about this way 2 much

 

[big4life]

I look for happiness in a woman. If she's happy then you can bet that she has the other qualities. Most people are not going to be happy if they are lacking in other areas.

 

[H_T_]

The fact that my girlfriend doesn't yell at my rottweiller when he slobbers on her is kind of a significant factor to me.

 

[bdog527]

Not for me

Constantly grasping people are annoying, and never contented. Nothing surpasses a genuinely generous and loving heart. Pretty girls are a dime a dozen. The world is full of em, and all of em wont look so hot inside 15 years.

A great sense of humor is huge. Huge!! And a genuine love of family

All the rest is bullshit

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to JerseyArt again

 

[biteme]

The fact that my girlfriend doesn't yell at my rottweiller when he slobbers on her is kind of a significant factor to me.

Just give her time. I couldn't stand that.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

Some how I don't see there being a "God's plan" for knowing what you want in finding the right mate.

Word!

Life is free will not destiny only we make thing happen they don't happen to us.

 

[biteme]

How bout' the drive to be great in bed.

 

[velvett]

I dont expect mutual agreement V, just staing that a divine plan can be reasoned.

I'm not going to argue but I will say that your reasoning or point of view is EXTREMELY pinholed and even less than one sided and if that works for you, that's all that is important for you.

I guess to argue "divine plan" one would need to believe in one.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

I'm not going to argue but I will say that your reasoning or point of view is EXTREMELY pinholed and even less than one sided and if that works for you, that's all that is important for you.

I guess to argue "divine plan" one would need to believe in one.

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to velvett again.

 

[ChefWide]

(presupposing the existence of a divine influence)

Since day one, my man, that is where we differ.

We are The Creator.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

Since day one, my man, that is where we differ.

We are The Creator.

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to ChefWide again.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

ambition and drive is attractive up to a point, because i like capable women who use their ability to better their lives, but imo a woman who is endlessly seeking more wealth/prestige/knowledge/whatever is unbalanced. for example i know a young girl (accountant) who is focussed on money/property to distraction, and i think it it misguided, and based on insecurity. her = unnattractive. i mean its obvious, but whats really really important in this context (to me) is a girl who is smart enough to know what she wants (lifestyle, possessions etc) and has the raw ability and drive to get there, wherever there is, and all the way through, to feel content with what/where she is.

just like everything else in life, its all about balance. people who dont know to look at the wildflowers at their feet because their eyes are constantly on the horizon are silly, and not people i like to be around, let alone be in a relationship with

 

[wutangnomo]

I've always found it interesting that some people perceive "improving one's life" to be soley a monitary goal.

The context with which Matt addressed his question comes across as a direct reference to money, hence my reply solely relating to money. He may have meant improving one's life in other ways (spiritually, emotionally, etc), but the way he asked his question surely doesn't imply that.

Does a woman's career (insuating $$$$... partly so at least), income (directly insinuating $$$$), or financial success (directly insinuating $$$$) make her more or less attractive to you?

How about her desire to become more successful?

I personally am unmoved by how much she has (directly insinuating $$$$/materialistic possessions) or does not have (directly insinuating $$$$/materialistic possessions), but her desire to make a better life for herself is critical to me.

How about the rest of you nutjobs?

It can easily be perceived that Matt is referring to monetary/career goals/financial situation.

But if you want the cliche answer Matt, yeah she's gotta strive to be happy within herself blah blah blah. lol

 

[Sassy69]

Guys:

Does a woman's career, income, or financial success make her more or less attractive to you?

How about her desire to become more successful?


I personally am unmoved by how much she has or does not have, but her desire to make a better life for herself is critical to me.

How about the rest of you nutjobs?

I think a certain percentage of women just consider "success" finding a guy who they can latch onto & then ride into the ground (and I dont' mean sexually ...). On their own, however, they are essentially helpless. That, to me, is not attractive - someone who can't be responsible for him / herself.

Desire to become more successful -- depends on how they define "successful" - per the above type women, "successful" can mean dumping the current schmuck for a wealthier / better dressed / more prominent / bigger schlonged / whatever guy, yet they still remain a leech at best. Relatively successful women may spend the better part of their lives pursuing something "better", be it monetarily, power position, whatever, but they end up doing this to the detriment of the quality of the life that passes by while they seek something better. Pursing something or seeking to accomplish something each day of your life is better than just sitting like a lump. Sometimes people, particularly younger girls, haven't discovered what they want to pursue, and worse, they need the kick in the butt in to at least go out looking instead sitting back and feeling bad about not accomplishing anything or having anything to pursue.

I agree w/ Shadow though that "success" is really finding something that makes you happy. If you find a passion, go for it. But I throw in the caveat that women still need to be responsible for themselves because sometimes you can't sit around and hope that someone else takes care of you your whole life.

 

[Testosterone boy]

Matt.....it would be cheaper to fly Concordes to places where you "know what you will get".

So I assume you are looking for something other than sex.

Why? What do you hope to find with this person?

You can handle reality. Here it is....find one guy who recommends marriage and has done it for 20 years or more. Then go for 15. Etc.

Photographers get all the bitches. Get yourself a camera and advertise for models.

j/k here


As for me.....I would seek someone who has a lot of good qualities if I were a seeking.

I'm not seeking and I can't afford Concordes.

 

[Testosterone boy]

She will grow up to look like her mom...remember that.

If she can't stand her dad....................run.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

She will grow up to look like her mom...remember that.

 

[Dial_tone]

I hear Doris is still hot and cooks a mean steak. I might have to snap up QT now.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

I hear Doris is still hot and cooks a mean steak. I might have to snap up QT now.

you might be to late

 

[pitbullstl]

She will grow up to look like her mom...remember that.

If she can't stand her dad....................run.

Solid advice.


I think what most people are missing here are the simple checks and balances of relationships, or life in general. Each and everyone of us likes to think we know exactly what we want in a mate. The crazy thing about love is, it doesn't care much about what YOU want. It's true....love is blind, but people are not. If you are constantly searching for something to be wrong with the one you love, you WILL find it. Back to checks and balances....I yearn to grow and constantly learn in every aspect of my life ....... she (wife) loves me just the way I am. I constantly want to better myself for her and our girls, she just wants my love. Even though we appear to be opposite in this regard.......it's that check and balance that makes us work.

 

[Dial_tone]

you might be to late

Accidents can be arranged.


(j/k)

 

[biteme]

Since day one, my man, that is where we differ.

We are The Creator.

You don't know any more than he does.

 

[jerseyart]

I'm not going to argue but I will say that your reasoning or point of view is EXTREMELY pinholed and even less than one sided and if that works for you, that's all that is important for you.

I guess to argue "divine plan" one would need to believe in one.

Sorry sweetie, canned responses like thast only pass muster with Canadians. They arent critical thinkers.

You wrote "Some how I don't see there being a "God's plan" for knowing what you want in finding the right mate."

My post was in response to that statement. Never did I suggest that everyone should believe in God, Christian or otherwise.

What I did address is that if one presupposes the existence of a Creator, as you did by implication in your response, then the rest of what I wrote can be reasoned.

If you have some objection to anything other than God/No God (which is irrelevant to this discourse) then specify.

 

[jerseyart]

Since day one, my man, that is where we differ.

We are The Creator.

Silly Rabbit

Read response to V. Never did I imply the existence of a Creator was an absolute, or should be accepted by any other poster. I simply responded to the statement that even if a God existed, He would not have any "plan" with respect to male/female relationships

 

[superqt4u2nv]

Sorry sweetie, canned responses like thast only pass muster with Canadians. They arent critical thinkers.

 

[*MissFit*]

Sorry sweetie, canned responses like thast only pass muster with Canadians. They arent critical thinkers.

QUOTE]

If we were critical.. we wouldn't be talking 2 u

 

[superqt4u2nv]

Accidents can be arranged.


(j/k)

 

[jerseyart]

Sorry sweetie, canned responses like thast only pass muster with Canadians. They arent critical thinkers.

QUOTE]

If we were critical.. we wouldn't be talking 2 u

Hee hee

That's true

My social life is entirely dependent on the poor taste and judgement of women

 

[velvett]

The context with which Matt addressed his question comes across as a direct reference to money, hence my reply solely relating to money. He may have meant improving one's life in other ways (spiritually, emotionally, etc), but the way he asked his question surely doesn't imply that.

Just for the record when I said "people"

I've always found it interesting that some people perceive "improving one's life" to be soley a monitary goal.-

I meant just that, many people, from this board, to my circle of friends and to my clients.

 

[velvett]

Sorry sweetie, canned responses like thast only pass muster with Canadians. They arent critical thinkers.

You wrote "Some how I don't see there being a "God's plan" for knowing what you want in finding the right mate."

My post was in response to that statement. Never did I suggest that everyone should believe in God, Christian or otherwise.

What I did address is that if one presupposes the existence of a Creator, as you did by implication in your response, then the rest of what I wrote can be reasoned.

If you have some objection to anything other than God/No God (which is irrelevant to this discourse) then specify.

You should have either been a litigation lawyer or a politician.



...now go check the thread I made for you.

 

[danielson]

I honestly would have noproblem being with a woman who was unemployed or not making huge amounts of money

what does matter for me is whether I can hold an intelligent conversation with her and will she simply dismiss anything that doesnt fit in her world or try to adapt t them. Will she crucially realise that things like career and money will never be as important as your truly loved ones. And most importantly will she have the courage to realise she needs to do what makes her happy in this life as its potentially her only one and to stop people exerting pressures on what THEY want for HER

ITs been enough for me to not pursue a relationship in the past with a girl I find physically/sexually attractive, and am friendly with even though I could get her.

 

[Tiervexx]

I look at inner beauty ....nothing else matters.

She could be an artist who can barely afford to eat...she may not want to "better" herself b/c she is doing what she loves...therfore "desire" is a non-issue.....

Such people can often be cute but I eventually get tired of people that always run from reality at every possible turn. So over all I'm with Matt on this one.

 

[gotmilk]

Pretty girls are a dime a dozen.

Where are they? I swear many where I live were hit by the ugly stick. We have a few million acres of forest here....if you catch my drift.

Thankfully Montreal is a quick drive.

 

[PHATchik]

I look at inner beauty ....nothing else matters.

She could be an artist who can barely afford to eat...she may not want to "better" herself b/c she is doing what she loves...therfore "desire" is a non-issue.....

Such a catch.......

 

[Spartacus]

I look at inner beauty ....nothing else matters.

ah,the vaginal barrel
gotta be beautifully snug

 

[Werd]

Is it really THAT HARD to find a good woman?

I meet very lovely, successful men all the time but I always find something "wrong" with the situation ie - they are too far, though they have a successful career (ie dentist, cpa, etc) I find them somewhat boring, they are too young (I dont really want to have anymore children), just not physically appealling (my last love was 64 so it aint just about having the perfect bod for me). But then again, because of all the monumental bullshit my ex is putting us through I am also in no hurry to have a serious commitment. I date out the wazoo but rarely do I find someone appealling because of all the commitments I already have.

Matt, I just dont get it. You are young (but not TOO young). I've not seen your photographs nor met you but from what I understand you are reasonably attractive. You seem very bright (though the political stuff is something that most women would not find appealing - not a dig, just a silly observation) and you are (from what you say) successful. You have no other complications (ie - exwife or children) Is it really THAT HARD to find a suitable girlfriend? <------ I am not trying to be snotty, just honestly dont understand the delima.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

Werd you need to see Jax to understand why the dating there sucks. Can't walk a block in that city with out seeing a church. Matt is many of the things you listed and more I know from personal experience. Finding the "right" person is just that hard. I am sure if he was looking for any old person to date he would have no problems. In the same way you are picky so is pretty much everyone else. Why settle?

 

[GoldenDelicious]

Is it really THAT HARD to find a good woman?

YES
hell these days its hard to find a good anybody

 

[Robert Jan]

How succesful she is would not make her more or less attractive methinks

Well actually the more succesful the better, except for that i woudlnt want her to be too career oriented. not just because i want attention but also because i find that a masculine trait. if a woman can casually pull in a few hundred k without it changing her personality then sure where do i sign?

 

[Werd]

Werd you need to see Jax to understand why the dating there sucks. Can't walk a block in that city with out seeing a church. Matt is many of the things you listed and more I know from personal experience. Finding the "right" person is just that hard. I am sure if he was looking for any old person to date he would have no problems. In the same way you are picky so is pretty much everyone else. Why settle?

Jax? What state is this in?

I totally hear what you are saying and I agree with NOT settling, but someone in my situation (a single parent) has a tougher time finding a suitable mate. Especially when our ex's are such bastards. When you are young and single and have the world at your feet I just dont see why it would be THAT hard.

If I didn't have the kids I would be open to so many more options (as would every parent). Not saying that the children limit us in a negative way necessarily, but we do have to raise the bar that much higher.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

Jacksonville, Florida....

I live in a city of millions you would think I would have no problem finding a suitable person to have a relationship with. Think again in the past year or so I have only been out with 1 person that I would consider as being real relationship material. So yes being single even without kids a divorce etc is just that hard.

 

[manny78]

Guys:

Does a woman's career, income, or financial success make her more or less attractive to you?

How about her desire to become more successful?


I personally am unmoved by how much she has or does not have, but her desire to make a better life for herself is critical to me.

How about the rest of you nutjobs?

Ambition + beauty = 10/10

Success usually comes with ambition so if lacks it, then it's a lost cause.