Some Marines Not Impressed by Kerry

[Longhorn85]

July 31, 2004 -- SCRANTON, Pa. — John Kerry's heavily hyped cross-country bus tour stumbled out of the blocks yesterday, as a group of Marines publicly dissed the Vietnam War hero in the middle of a crowded restaurant.
Kerry was treating running mate Sen. John Edwards and his wife, Elizabeth, to a Wendy's lunch in Newburgh, N.Y., for their 27th wedding anniversary — an Edwards family tradition — when the candidate approached four Marines and asked them questions.

The Marines — two in uniform and two off-duty — were polite but curt while chatting with Kerry, answering most of his questions with a "yes, sir" or "no, sir."

But they turned downright nasty after the Massachusetts senator thanked them "for their service" and left.

"He imposed on us and I disagree with him coming over here shaking our hands," one Marine said, adding, "I'm 100 percent against [him]."

A sergeant with 10 years of service under his belt said, "I speak for all of us. We think that we are doing the right thing in Iraq," before saying he is to be deployed there in a few weeks and is "eager" to go and serve.

 

[Buddy_Christ]

they go to Wendy's for their Annaversary dinner? strange.

i bet if their Commanding Officer is a liberal (or anyone superior to them within their command is a democrat), they got their asses handed to them afterwards.

 

[Longhorn85]

i bet if their Commanding Officer is a liberal (or anyone superior to them within their command is a democrat), they got their asses handed to them afterwards.

They probably got their asses handed to them regardless of the politics of their commander. If they were all out of uniform, ok. In uniform, they should have held their tongue.

 

[Spartacus]

I have a very clear memory of an incident which occurred while I was the Medical Officer at Naval Support Facility, Cam Ranh Bay. John Kerry was a (jg), the OinC or skipper of a Swift boat, newly arrived in Vietnam. On the night of December 2, he was on patrol north of Cam Ranh, up near Nha Trang area. The next day he came to sick bay, the medical facility, for treatment of a wound that had occurred that night.

The story he told was different from what his crewmen had to say about that night. According to Kerry, they had been engaged in a fire fight, receiving small arms fire from on shore. He said that his injury resulted from this enemy action.

Some of his crew confided that they did not receive any fire from shore, but that Kerry had fired a mortar round at close range to some rocks on shore. The crewman thought that the injury was caused by a fragment ricocheting from that mortar round when it struck the rocks.

That seemed to fit the injury which I treated.

What I saw was a small piece of metal sticking very superficially in the skin of Kerry's arm. The metal fragment measured about 1 cm. in length and was about 2 or 3 mm in diameter. It certainly did not look like a round from a rifle.

I simply removed the piece of metal by lifting it out of the skin with forceps. I doubt that it penetrated more than 3 or 4 mm. It did not require probing to find it, did not require any anesthesia to remove it, and did not require any sutures to close the wound.

The wound was covered with a bandaid.

Not [sic] other injuries were reported and I do not recall that there was any reported damage to the boat.

The following morning, John Kerry arrived at the office of Coastal Division 14 Commander Grant Hibbard to apply for a Purple Heart. Having already been informed by Schachte that Kerry's injury was self-inflicted rather than the result of hostile fire, Commander Hibbard told him to "forget it." Hibbard recently said of Kerry's minor scratch, "I’ve seen worse injuries from a rose thorn."

 

[2BIG4URMOM]

I have a very clear memory of an incident which occurred while I was the Medical Officer at Naval Support Facility, Cam Ranh Bay. John Kerry was a (jg), the OinC or skipper of a Swift boat, newly arrived in Vietnam. On the night of December 2, he was on patrol north of Cam Ranh, up near Nha Trang area. The next day he came to sick bay, the medical facility, for treatment of a wound that had occurred that night.

The story he told was different from what his crewmen had to say about that night. According to Kerry, they had been engaged in a fire fight, receiving small arms fire from on shore. He said that his injury resulted from this enemy action.

Some of his crew confided that they did not receive any fire from shore, but that Kerry had fired a mortar round at close range to some rocks on shore. The crewman thought that the injury was caused by a fragment ricocheting from that mortar round when it struck the rocks.

That seemed to fit the injury which I treated.

What I saw was a small piece of metal sticking very superficially in the skin of Kerry's arm. The metal fragment measured about 1 cm. in length and was about 2 or 3 mm in diameter. It certainly did not look like a round from a rifle.

I simply removed the piece of metal by lifting it out of the skin with forceps. I doubt that it penetrated more than 3 or 4 mm. It did not require probing to find it, did not require any anesthesia to remove it, and did not require any sutures to close the wound.

The wound was covered with a bandaid.

Not [sic] other injuries were reported and I do not recall that there was any reported damage to the boat.

The following morning, John Kerry arrived at the office of Coastal Division 14 Commander Grant Hibbard to apply for a Purple Heart. Having already been informed by Schachte that Kerry's injury was self-inflicted rather than the result of hostile fire, Commander Hibbard told him to "forget it." Hibbard recently said of Kerry's minor scratch, "I’ve seen worse injuries from a rose thorn."

LMAO...
We've always joked about nominating someone for a purple heart when getting hurt, but actually hearing that someone nominated "themselves" for a flesh wound is hilarious.

 

[Longhorn85]

they go to Wendy's for their Annaversary dinner?

Family tradition. I'm sure Wendy's is thrilled about it.

Look for Bush to drop in on a McDonald's.

 

[Code]

I was unaware you could nominate yourself for any medal.

I have a very clear memory of an incident which occurred while I was the Medical Officer at Naval Support Facility, Cam Ranh Bay. John Kerry was a (jg), the OinC or skipper of a Swift boat, newly arrived in Vietnam. On the night of December 2, he was on patrol north of Cam Ranh, up near Nha Trang area. The next day he came to sick bay, the medical facility, for treatment of a wound that had occurred that night.

The story he told was different from what his crewmen had to say about that night. According to Kerry, they had been engaged in a fire fight, receiving small arms fire from on shore. He said that his injury resulted from this enemy action.

Some of his crew confided that they did not receive any fire from shore, but that Kerry had fired a mortar round at close range to some rocks on shore. The crewman thought that the injury was caused by a fragment ricocheting from that mortar round when it struck the rocks.

That seemed to fit the injury which I treated.

What I saw was a small piece of metal sticking very superficially in the skin of Kerry's arm. The metal fragment measured about 1 cm. in length and was about 2 or 3 mm in diameter. It certainly did not look like a round from a rifle.

I simply removed the piece of metal by lifting it out of the skin with forceps. I doubt that it penetrated more than 3 or 4 mm. It did not require probing to find it, did not require any anesthesia to remove it, and did not require any sutures to close the wound.

The wound was covered with a bandaid.

Not [sic] other injuries were reported and I do not recall that there was any reported damage to the boat.

The following morning, John Kerry arrived at the office of Coastal Division 14 Commander Grant Hibbard to apply for a Purple Heart. Having already been informed by Schachte that Kerry's injury was self-inflicted rather than the result of hostile fire, Commander Hibbard told him to "forget it." Hibbard recently said of Kerry's minor scratch, "I’ve seen worse injuries from a rose thorn."

 

[canadianhitman]

Kerry is a pussy...those Marines had every right to resent his politically motivated interaction.

 

[Longhorn85]

I was unaware you could nominate yourself for any medal.

You're right, you can't.

 

[Buddy_Christ]

Kerry is a pussy...those Marines had every right to resent his politically motivated interaction.

whether they agree with Kerry politically or not, it was still polite of him to thank them for their service to this country. it shouldn't matter whether you agree or disagree with decisions made by our government involving military action, you should always support the troops and thank them for their service. even if Kerry is known as Flipper, i think that as long as he is sincere in showing his gratitude towards military members for their sacrifices, they should at least appreciate that.

as i've said before - whether you support our president and congress on their decisions regarding war and our interaction, i will respect your right to your opinion and support your right to have your opinion. if you don't respect and support our troops, however, i'll punch you in the mouth.

 

[Spartacus]

i think that as long as he is sincere in showing his gratitude towards military members for their sacrifices, they should at least appreciate that.

I think the issue is that the Marines don't think he was sincere,and they probably know about his bogus war record,and post-war record.

 

[Longhorn85]

I think the issue is that the Marines don't think he was sincere,and they probably know about his bogus war record,and post-war record.

Or maybe they were pissed about his hanging their assess out to dry to the tune of $87 Billion.

 

[Spartacus]

Or maybe they were pissed about his hanging their assess out to dry to the tune of $87 Billion.

?

 

[Code]

Kerry voted to send them to war.

Then voted to not fund the war.

?

 

[ManOfArms]

Kerry voted to send them to war.

Then voted to not fund the war.

gee, what a surprise

 

[Burning_Inside]

Kerry voted to send them to war.

Then voted to not fund the war.

Maybe his thoughts on the war changed after a while kinda like the majority of the average American citizens.

 

[Buddy_Christ]

Kerry voted to send them to war.

Then voted to not fund the war.

what confuses me about that is how in the hell did he expect the war to get paid for?!

 

[Longhorn85]

Maybe his thoughts on the war changed after a while kinda like the majority of the average American citizens.

If you think about it, Kerry has a problem sticking to his guns when it comes to defense issues. He volunteered for Vietnam, fought honorably, then for some reason came home and criticized the war effort and the soldiers STILL ENGAGED IN COMBAT.

In 2003 he called for ousting Saddam on the Senate floor and voted to support a US invasion. Then once we were involved he tried to pull the plug on our troops...again, STILL ENGAGED IN COMBAT.

I prefer a leader like Bush who has the courage to see difficult efforts through based on conviction, regardless of political or world opinion.

 

[75th]

Im anxiously awaiting the release of the book by a good number of Kerry's shipmates.

 

[canadianhitman]

I prefer a leader like Bush who has the courage to see difficult efforts through based on conviction, regardless of political or world opinion.

Damn straight.

 

[MAX 300]

I prefer a leader like Bush who has the courage to see difficult efforts through based on conviction, regardless of political or world opinion.

The rest of the world would prefer a US President who doesn't tell lies in order to start a war. One that would actually get elected, not appointed would be good, too. I remember high school bullies that don't care what the rest of the world thinks of them or how much they are hated by everyone else, they got their 'convictions' and start fights anyway.

Then again, their are plenty of soldiers left in the US military whose lives Bush can waste for his ideological wars. And going by Bush's mantra "You are either with us or against us" I think the US should bomb Switzerland next, those damn neutral Swiss have never been with you, better nuke 'em while you can.

 

[Longhorn85]

The rest of the world would prefer a US President who doesn't tell lies in order to start a war. One that would actually get elected, not appointed would be good

Really getting tired of:

1) Selective criticism. If Bush lied (which he didn't), then Kerry, Congress, UN, UK all lied, yet you'd vote for Kerry.

2) Sour Grapes (Bush won every recount in Florida, auto and manual).

Why don't you just do your best to get your man elected instead of Bush-Bashing? Otherwise you're gonna be Bush-Bashing for 4 more years, LOL.

 

[Burning_Inside]

I prefer a leader like Bush who has the courage to see difficult efforts through based on conviction, regardless of political or world opinion.

That's great but I think it's more appropriate to:

A: Attack those actually responsible for wrongdoings to your country (For instance, putting exorbitant amounts of effort into finding Osama and the rest of Al Q. There was no Iraq/Qaeda link. Iraq was senseless, see below).

B:NOT use the excuse of something like "OK well this country has WMD's! And ummmm....Even though they are no direct threat to the USA and they are not at our shores with gunships ready to launch...Umm...Hmmm..*scratches head* OK! OSAMA AND SADDAM HAVE TIES! I SWEAR! SO IT'S ON! YEEHAW!" as reason to start a war.

C:When both reasons for choosing to go to war with a certain country have been proven false (NO Iraq/Al-Q links, NO WMD's), to at least have the fucking balls to apologize to America and to the world, and pull the forces out and call off the war because your reasons for going to war are unfounded.

That's what I'd rather, in all honesty.

 

[AAP]

I was unaware you could nominate yourself for any medal.

You think that's why I haven't heard from them.

Shit. I want my 29.95 back.

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

Kerry is a fraud.

What with the Dems? Last time they tried Lieberman (a Jew) this time it is Kerry the Catholic. The Catholic who is a coward and changes his mind what he believes in depending on the circumstances.

Ex: "He'll vote for war" and then "this war is inapppropriate" wishy washy, slime ball, no back bone & a lack of integrity.

Now who does that remind me of?

 

[Burning_Inside]

Kerry is a fraud.

What with the Dems? Last time they tried Lieberman (a Jew) this time it is Kerry the Catholic. The Catholic who is a coward

and then you have George W. Bush

and changes his mind what he believes in depending on the circumstances.

what now Sh4dow?

Sh4dow you just got hardcore served. Sorry.

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

I dont think so. You consider realchange.org and comedy central sources of useful info? rofl. you may be worse off than Kerry the Spineless.

served? pffft. In your dreams. wow.

 

[Longhorn85]

That's great but I think it's more appropriate to:

A: Attack those actually responsible for wrongdoings to your country (For instance, putting exorbitant amounts of effort into finding Osama and the rest of Al Q. There was no Iraq/Qaeda link. Iraq was senseless, see below).

You apparently are not aware of, or don't understand the Bush Doctrine.

 

[Burning_Inside]

I dont think so. You consider realchange.org and comedy central sources of useful info? rofl. you may be worse off than Kerry the Spineless.

served? pffft. In your dreams. wow.

Who cares where the info is posted at? Did you even watch the video? Was that a CGI rendering of Bush? No. It was really him flip flopping his monkey face off.

Did you read the webpage? Do you dispute anything? If so, then post your "truth". I'm sure anyone can search for and find the exact same stuff that realchange.org came up with on their own.


As long as it's the truth, who cares where it's posted at?
I notice a lot of people like to do pull the "omfg look where this info is posted at LOLOLOL!" escape plan, and you look pretty idiotic doing it.

Either prove the info is false instead of criticizing where the info is hosted at, or take your servings like a man.

 

[2BIG4URMOM]

If you think about it, Kerry has a problem sticking to his guns when it comes to defense issues. He volunteered for Vietnam, fought honorably, then for some reason came home and criticized the war effort and the soldiers STILL ENGAGED IN COMBAT.

In 2003 he called for ousting Saddam on the Senate floor and voted to support a US invasion. Then once we were involved he tried to pull the plug on our troops...again, STILL ENGAGED IN COMBAT.

I prefer a leader like Bush who has the courage to see difficult efforts through based on conviction, regardless of political or world opinion.

Ditto!

Karma for you!