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Magick69
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my idea is to try gear instead;more studies and we know what are the sides; however for who want to try precursor of steroids this article explaines things nicely
Due to the overwhelming number of threads in here recently regarding designer steroid cycles i've compiled a set of answers to the following commonly asked questions. Please bear in mind that this document is merely a starting point for users new to designer steroids to learn and familiarise themselves with the basics regarding these compounds. You will need to research beyond this document before making a decision whether or not to run a designer steroid cycle.
1. What are Designer Steroids?
Designer Steroids are synthetic testosterone derivatives, they affect the body’s hormonal balance by introducing more androgens into the blood stream, which in turn upgrades androgen receptors and increases protein synthesis in muscles. In other words they do exactly the same thing as the banned anabolic steroids. The difference is, these steroids have only been around for a few years, or in some cases months, and have no medical research carried out on them, nor have they been intended or developed for medical use, they have been designed solely for muscular enhancement purposes.
2. Why are these products legal, I thought all steroids were banned?
The only reason these substances are still legally available is that the government hasn’t had time to add the compounds to their black lists yet. The FDA has a list of scheduled compounds which are banned, it is illegal to sell (and possess if from the US) any compound on this list, however, these new designer steroids have slight structural changes from that of those on the lists, so technically they are not banned as they are not on this list yet, however I expect it is only a matter of time until the FDA does something about this.
3. Do they have side effects?
Yes. Designer Steroids have the same side effects as banned anabolic steroids. Side effects experienced are largely dependant on the individual. Potential side effects include acne, edema (water bloat), gynecomastia (breast tissue development), hair loss, lethargy, and prostate swelling. Although the potential for these side effects does exist, it can be reduced if one uses proper precautionary measures. Generally, if a person is genetically predisposed to a side effect it will occur (i.e.: if someone has a history of male pattern baldness in the family, it could be assumed that this could be a side effect experienced if certain designer steroids are used).
4. How do I take Designer Steroids?
Designer Steroids have been developed for oral administration, as they are 17-alpha-alklyted, meaning the compound survives the first pass of the liver. Although this improves absorption of the compound it also puts a lot of stress on internal organs as the body has difficulty removing the drug from the system.
5. Which Designer Steroid should I take, and what are the common doses?
(these are only provided as a rough guideline, ideal doses may vary)
Superdrol (and clones, including methyl masterdrol) – A potent anadrol derivative, good for mass and strength gains. Recommend dose: 10-30mg
Methyl-1-Testosterone – Highly anabolic androgenic steroid, good for mass and strength. Recommended dose: 5-20mg
Phera-Plex – Moderately anabolic, good for mass gains. Recommended dose: 10-30mg
Ergomax LMG (and clones, including MD2)- Moderately anabolic and androgenic, good for dry mass and strength gains. Recommended dose: 10-30mg
Halodrol-50 – A potent turinabol derivative. Good for dry mass gains. Recommended dose: 25-50mg
Max LMG - non-17aa version of Ergomax LMG. Recommended dose: 50-100mg
Prostanozol - non-17aa version of winstrol. Recommended dose: 50-100mg
6. What is stacking?
Stacking is where 2 or more compounds are run at the same time.
7. Can you stack 2 or more designer steroids?
You can, but it is not advisable due to the amount of stress that a 2nd compound would place on the liver and internal organs. Certainly if you were to stack 2 designer steroids than typical doses of both should be at least halved to compensate for this, you should never run more that 2 orals at once.
8. Can you stack designer steroids with other banned steroids?
You can. As above it is not advisable to mix orals with each other. But designer steroids can work well as kickstarts to long esterfied injectible cycles, many AAS users have already began to use things such as Superdrol and M1T as kickstarts to cycles as drier alternatives to dianabol and anadrol.
9. How long should I take designer steroids for?
A typical cycle could last anywhere from 2-6 weeks depending on the compound, and doses used. Generally the more powerful designer steroids (Superdrol, M1T) are also the most hepatoxic, and durations should be kept to around 2-3 weeks, the milder designer steroids such as MD2 and phera-plex can be ran for slightly longer durations, such as 4-6 weeks. A cycle of designer steroids should always be followed by PCT, and then you should take a good 2-3 months off all the drugs to let your endocrine system, liver and blood lipids recover fully before running another cycle.
10. I’ve heard PCT mentioned before, what is it?
When an exogenous source of testosterone is placed in the body, your endocrine system recognises this and begins to produce less of its own, so when you come off a cycle you are going to have the testosterone levels of a 9 year old girl guide! This is why steroid users run PCT (post cycle therapy/treatment), to aid in restoring natural testosterone levels when they come off a cycle. The best choices for this are nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate) or clomid (clomiphene citrate).
A typical PCT may look something like this.
Nolvadex PCT
Day 1: 60mg
Days 2-14: 40mg
Days 15-21: 20mg
11. I don’t have access to Nolvadex or Clomid, can I run one of the legal PCT supplements instead?
You can, but it is not advisable. Nolvadex and Clomid are both SERMs. There are currently no SERMs (selective estrogen receptor modulators) available legally on the market, the PCT products available are AIs (aromatise inhibitors). The main problem with using AI’s for PCT is that there is a chance of estrogen levels rebounding once the drug is discontinued. Whereas SERMs only block estrogen from binding to receptor sites, as opposed to completely reducing it. So by using an AI for PCT you run the risk of recovery problems PPCT (post PCT), including delayed gynemcostia. I do know some people that have ran over-the-counter PCT products and recovered fine, but then again there have been a fair few reports of delayed gynemcostia from people who have used over-the-counter PCTs. Is it really worth the risk?
12. I’ve heard people mention milk thistle, whats it for?
Milk Thistle helps to protect and detoxify the liver, and is highly recommended on any designer steroid cycle. A dose of 800mg-1g per day is recommended throughout the cycle and PCT.
13. Are there any other supplements or precautions that I should take?
The following supplements all have their uses in a cycle of designer steroids.
Creatine - useful post cycle supplement to help retain strength.
ALA - useful on-cycle liver protectant.
Tribulus – useful post cycle to improve libido recovery.
Saw Palmetto – helps protect the prostate.
Vitamin B6 – helps to prevent acne.
Nettle Root - may help with natural testosterone recovery post cycle.
CoQ10 - may help lower blood pressure.
Hawthorne Berries - may help improve cholesterol.
EFAs (flax/fish oil) - helps lower blood pressure and improves blood lipids.
Taurine – useful on-cycle to alleviate cramps.
14. How much muscle can I expect to gain?
How much you gain from a cycle will depend on many factors. Genetics, how far you are away from your natural untrained condition, your diet, training routine and rest to name a few. Providing your diet and training regime is solid, you get plenty of rest, and your genetics still allow you plenty of room for development, gains/improvements of 1-2lb LBM per week are not unheard of, depending on the compound and doses used.
15. Can I take designer steroids whilst dieting?
Yes, designer steroids can be used to good effect when dieting to prevent catabolism, and thus prevent muscle and strength losses when calories are low.
16. Is it okay to drink alcohol whilst taking designer steroids?
Due to toxicity issues drinking alcohol whilst on designer steroids is a bad idea. Not only will it lead to increased health risks of liver disease and circulatory problems, alcohol also reduces protein synthesis making it counter productive to progress. If you must have a drink on cycle ensure it is kept in strict moderation. During PCT alcohol should be cut out completely, as this is when natural testosterone is trying to recover, and considering alcohol actually lowers testosterone and raises estrogen, drinking on PCT is a definite no no! Ideally alcohol should be avoided completely.
Due to the overwhelming number of threads in here recently regarding designer steroid cycles i've compiled a set of answers to the following commonly asked questions. Please bear in mind that this document is merely a starting point for users new to designer steroids to learn and familiarise themselves with the basics regarding these compounds. You will need to research beyond this document before making a decision whether or not to run a designer steroid cycle.
1. What are Designer Steroids?
Designer Steroids are synthetic testosterone derivatives, they affect the body’s hormonal balance by introducing more androgens into the blood stream, which in turn upgrades androgen receptors and increases protein synthesis in muscles. In other words they do exactly the same thing as the banned anabolic steroids. The difference is, these steroids have only been around for a few years, or in some cases months, and have no medical research carried out on them, nor have they been intended or developed for medical use, they have been designed solely for muscular enhancement purposes.
2. Why are these products legal, I thought all steroids were banned?
The only reason these substances are still legally available is that the government hasn’t had time to add the compounds to their black lists yet. The FDA has a list of scheduled compounds which are banned, it is illegal to sell (and possess if from the US) any compound on this list, however, these new designer steroids have slight structural changes from that of those on the lists, so technically they are not banned as they are not on this list yet, however I expect it is only a matter of time until the FDA does something about this.
3. Do they have side effects?
Yes. Designer Steroids have the same side effects as banned anabolic steroids. Side effects experienced are largely dependant on the individual. Potential side effects include acne, edema (water bloat), gynecomastia (breast tissue development), hair loss, lethargy, and prostate swelling. Although the potential for these side effects does exist, it can be reduced if one uses proper precautionary measures. Generally, if a person is genetically predisposed to a side effect it will occur (i.e.: if someone has a history of male pattern baldness in the family, it could be assumed that this could be a side effect experienced if certain designer steroids are used).
4. How do I take Designer Steroids?
Designer Steroids have been developed for oral administration, as they are 17-alpha-alklyted, meaning the compound survives the first pass of the liver. Although this improves absorption of the compound it also puts a lot of stress on internal organs as the body has difficulty removing the drug from the system.
5. Which Designer Steroid should I take, and what are the common doses?
(these are only provided as a rough guideline, ideal doses may vary)
Superdrol (and clones, including methyl masterdrol) – A potent anadrol derivative, good for mass and strength gains. Recommend dose: 10-30mg
Methyl-1-Testosterone – Highly anabolic androgenic steroid, good for mass and strength. Recommended dose: 5-20mg
Phera-Plex – Moderately anabolic, good for mass gains. Recommended dose: 10-30mg
Ergomax LMG (and clones, including MD2)- Moderately anabolic and androgenic, good for dry mass and strength gains. Recommended dose: 10-30mg
Halodrol-50 – A potent turinabol derivative. Good for dry mass gains. Recommended dose: 25-50mg
Max LMG - non-17aa version of Ergomax LMG. Recommended dose: 50-100mg
Prostanozol - non-17aa version of winstrol. Recommended dose: 50-100mg
6. What is stacking?
Stacking is where 2 or more compounds are run at the same time.
7. Can you stack 2 or more designer steroids?
You can, but it is not advisable due to the amount of stress that a 2nd compound would place on the liver and internal organs. Certainly if you were to stack 2 designer steroids than typical doses of both should be at least halved to compensate for this, you should never run more that 2 orals at once.
8. Can you stack designer steroids with other banned steroids?
You can. As above it is not advisable to mix orals with each other. But designer steroids can work well as kickstarts to long esterfied injectible cycles, many AAS users have already began to use things such as Superdrol and M1T as kickstarts to cycles as drier alternatives to dianabol and anadrol.
9. How long should I take designer steroids for?
A typical cycle could last anywhere from 2-6 weeks depending on the compound, and doses used. Generally the more powerful designer steroids (Superdrol, M1T) are also the most hepatoxic, and durations should be kept to around 2-3 weeks, the milder designer steroids such as MD2 and phera-plex can be ran for slightly longer durations, such as 4-6 weeks. A cycle of designer steroids should always be followed by PCT, and then you should take a good 2-3 months off all the drugs to let your endocrine system, liver and blood lipids recover fully before running another cycle.
10. I’ve heard PCT mentioned before, what is it?
When an exogenous source of testosterone is placed in the body, your endocrine system recognises this and begins to produce less of its own, so when you come off a cycle you are going to have the testosterone levels of a 9 year old girl guide! This is why steroid users run PCT (post cycle therapy/treatment), to aid in restoring natural testosterone levels when they come off a cycle. The best choices for this are nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate) or clomid (clomiphene citrate).
A typical PCT may look something like this.
Nolvadex PCT
Day 1: 60mg
Days 2-14: 40mg
Days 15-21: 20mg
11. I don’t have access to Nolvadex or Clomid, can I run one of the legal PCT supplements instead?
You can, but it is not advisable. Nolvadex and Clomid are both SERMs. There are currently no SERMs (selective estrogen receptor modulators) available legally on the market, the PCT products available are AIs (aromatise inhibitors). The main problem with using AI’s for PCT is that there is a chance of estrogen levels rebounding once the drug is discontinued. Whereas SERMs only block estrogen from binding to receptor sites, as opposed to completely reducing it. So by using an AI for PCT you run the risk of recovery problems PPCT (post PCT), including delayed gynemcostia. I do know some people that have ran over-the-counter PCT products and recovered fine, but then again there have been a fair few reports of delayed gynemcostia from people who have used over-the-counter PCTs. Is it really worth the risk?
12. I’ve heard people mention milk thistle, whats it for?
Milk Thistle helps to protect and detoxify the liver, and is highly recommended on any designer steroid cycle. A dose of 800mg-1g per day is recommended throughout the cycle and PCT.
13. Are there any other supplements or precautions that I should take?
The following supplements all have their uses in a cycle of designer steroids.
Creatine - useful post cycle supplement to help retain strength.
ALA - useful on-cycle liver protectant.
Tribulus – useful post cycle to improve libido recovery.
Saw Palmetto – helps protect the prostate.
Vitamin B6 – helps to prevent acne.
Nettle Root - may help with natural testosterone recovery post cycle.
CoQ10 - may help lower blood pressure.
Hawthorne Berries - may help improve cholesterol.
EFAs (flax/fish oil) - helps lower blood pressure and improves blood lipids.
Taurine – useful on-cycle to alleviate cramps.
14. How much muscle can I expect to gain?
How much you gain from a cycle will depend on many factors. Genetics, how far you are away from your natural untrained condition, your diet, training routine and rest to name a few. Providing your diet and training regime is solid, you get plenty of rest, and your genetics still allow you plenty of room for development, gains/improvements of 1-2lb LBM per week are not unheard of, depending on the compound and doses used.
15. Can I take designer steroids whilst dieting?
Yes, designer steroids can be used to good effect when dieting to prevent catabolism, and thus prevent muscle and strength losses when calories are low.
16. Is it okay to drink alcohol whilst taking designer steroids?
Due to toxicity issues drinking alcohol whilst on designer steroids is a bad idea. Not only will it lead to increased health risks of liver disease and circulatory problems, alcohol also reduces protein synthesis making it counter productive to progress. If you must have a drink on cycle ensure it is kept in strict moderation. During PCT alcohol should be cut out completely, as this is when natural testosterone is trying to recover, and considering alcohol actually lowers testosterone and raises estrogen, drinking on PCT is a definite no no! Ideally alcohol should be avoided completely.
