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T-Rage
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I posted this in the training forum but didn't get much of a response. Hopefully it will do better here.
A few theory's to discuss and then some questions...
First, I have read other posts (can't find them now) that discuss the idea of a persons maximum natural genetic lean body weight (MNGLBW) and I tend to agree with this theory. It basically suggests that a person that trains naturally (assuming the most beneficial nutrition and training program possible) will eventually reach a point in which they can no longer increase their natural lean body weight (assume 10-12% bodyfat). Please don't confuse this with extremely obese people as they are nowhere within this body fat percentage. For example assume my MNGLBW is 200 lbs. That means that once I reach that weight I will not be able to go much above it and maintain 10-12% bodyfat. Also, if I introduced anabolic steroids to put on 10 or 12 lean pounds over my MNGLBW (212 lbs.) then ultimately in time (could take as long as a year) my body would go back to its MNGLBW (200 lbs.). However if I currently weighed 175 lbs. and used anabolic steriods to put on 15 lean pounds then I could maintain a weight of 190 lbs. naturally indefinetely because it is lower than my MNGLBW. This theory would suggest that using anabolic steroids to get a jump start to get one closer the there MNGLBW could be beneficial allowing the person to maintain there gains long term through hard training/proper nutrition naturally.
Secondly, we all are aware of the idea that when one begins a resistance training program the gains come very quickly. Most notably are the strength gains that come within 6 weeks of beginning a resistance training program most of which are do to nervous system adaptation. At anyrate, after one begins a resistance training problem they may be able to put on 8 lbs. in 3 months and then in the next 3 months only put on 7 lbs. and then in the next 6 months only put on 4 lbs. And after a couple years of training may only be able to put on a few of pounds a year if that. This phenomenon would tend to reinforce the theory above on MNGLBW. It shows that gains come easy early and become harder and harder and if charted the graph would appear as a limit (starting out very steep and ultimately leveling out at the advanced stages of training).
My questions are these...
1) Anyone agree/disagree or have additional information to add?
2) If you agree with the above theory then ultimately everyone should be able to reach their MNGLBW in a finite amount of time. For instance, I may be able to reach my MNGLBW in 3 years of hard training/nutrition while someone else may reach their's in 5 years (a ton of factors obviously would determine the total time needed). My question is how long would it take the three different body types to reach their MNGLBW if one could apply a general time frame assuming the most beneficial nutrition and training program?
How long for an ectomorph (hard to gain mass but lean)?
How long for a mesomorph (atheletic and lean)?
How long for an endomorph (hard to get lean but can gain size easily)?
A few theory's to discuss and then some questions...
First, I have read other posts (can't find them now) that discuss the idea of a persons maximum natural genetic lean body weight (MNGLBW) and I tend to agree with this theory. It basically suggests that a person that trains naturally (assuming the most beneficial nutrition and training program possible) will eventually reach a point in which they can no longer increase their natural lean body weight (assume 10-12% bodyfat). Please don't confuse this with extremely obese people as they are nowhere within this body fat percentage. For example assume my MNGLBW is 200 lbs. That means that once I reach that weight I will not be able to go much above it and maintain 10-12% bodyfat. Also, if I introduced anabolic steroids to put on 10 or 12 lean pounds over my MNGLBW (212 lbs.) then ultimately in time (could take as long as a year) my body would go back to its MNGLBW (200 lbs.). However if I currently weighed 175 lbs. and used anabolic steriods to put on 15 lean pounds then I could maintain a weight of 190 lbs. naturally indefinetely because it is lower than my MNGLBW. This theory would suggest that using anabolic steroids to get a jump start to get one closer the there MNGLBW could be beneficial allowing the person to maintain there gains long term through hard training/proper nutrition naturally.
Secondly, we all are aware of the idea that when one begins a resistance training program the gains come very quickly. Most notably are the strength gains that come within 6 weeks of beginning a resistance training program most of which are do to nervous system adaptation. At anyrate, after one begins a resistance training problem they may be able to put on 8 lbs. in 3 months and then in the next 3 months only put on 7 lbs. and then in the next 6 months only put on 4 lbs. And after a couple years of training may only be able to put on a few of pounds a year if that. This phenomenon would tend to reinforce the theory above on MNGLBW. It shows that gains come easy early and become harder and harder and if charted the graph would appear as a limit (starting out very steep and ultimately leveling out at the advanced stages of training).
My questions are these...
1) Anyone agree/disagree or have additional information to add?
2) If you agree with the above theory then ultimately everyone should be able to reach their MNGLBW in a finite amount of time. For instance, I may be able to reach my MNGLBW in 3 years of hard training/nutrition while someone else may reach their's in 5 years (a ton of factors obviously would determine the total time needed). My question is how long would it take the three different body types to reach their MNGLBW if one could apply a general time frame assuming the most beneficial nutrition and training program?
How long for an ectomorph (hard to gain mass but lean)?
How long for a mesomorph (atheletic and lean)?
How long for an endomorph (hard to get lean but can gain size easily)?
