Solid hardcore comeback cycle ? corrected

[ahmad_f]

Hello everyone
i am sorry Mods for violating the forum rules in my past post,didnt realy knew that some rules changed from the past, i hope this post doesnt get closed too, and as a correction i didnt begin my training yet but doesnt mean that i never did , i trained for 4 years in a serious way in the past.

firstly i am sorry for my bad English and hope you understand me
i have been a membar here for about 1-2 years,but just lurking ,and using search function so i dont disturbe you guys for stupid questions.

i quit training 1 year ago because got tired of not finding legit gear and honestly i amnt a fan of natural training
i am 22 years old , 5'7,5 height , and around 180 pounds , BF% was 11 but now its 20 % i think not sure .
anyway i gained fat apparently , and i am wondering if i have Gyno , i never had an issue before, done 4 cycles of gear , with at least 1 cycle that contained REAL legit gear , and never had an issue with Gyno and did PCT very correctly

but now after i quit when i look in mirror i dont know if its smallllll small gyno or just some fat because my BF got up , you think its possible that i get GYNO after PCT and quitting gym and gear? because theoritcly its kindof impossible .

anyway i am kindof hardcore type , if i juice,i juice, i dont stay and wonder of side effects or health and these stuff, because thats the point of juicing, is that you must sacrifice , there are few rules ofcourse, but i like to do hardcore cycles ,and actually see results
i am thinking to go back to the GYM and training after i learned alot about HOMEBREWING gear, so just my second question: is powder (gear) fake chances are that big as those of ampules and ready to use gear?

i will however lower my BF levels at the lowest possible before starting the cycle

my cycle of comeback i think would be Lr3IGF1 - MGF - test e - deca - boldenon - dbol - - and whatever you think would add nicely.
it would be about 12-14 weeks minimum with doses like this
dbol (8 weeks) daily 50 mg
boldenon weekly 500 mg
deca weekly 500mg
test e weekly 750-1000mg
MGF + IGF 50-80 mcg daily (4 weeks on-4 weeks off)


PCT would be like HCG 5000 Iu a week (divided in 3 doses) for 3 weeks
Nolvadex 20mg a day for 3 weeks
Clomid 150mg a day first week of PCT,,,then taper off to 100mg second week,to 50mg third week
Femara(letrozole) or airmidex will be in hand in case i feel gyno effects, but i never suffered it during cycle but i will have it in case i feel something,and it would be better for the NOR-19 of too much nandrolone and boldenon,so it would be better than Nolvadex

then a pause of one month in which IGF or GH will be used as bridge and maybe something to lower BF depends on fat levels , and then back on the gear.

as a diet its not a problem as i have a personal chef/cook and i dont get lazy to eat , i support more like a high calorie high protein diet rather than clean clean diet with low fats ,during BULKing season , as i know one IFBB pro who doesnt eat clean at all during offseason ...
so diet MINIMUM is like this :
Total Calories : 4700-5000
total fat : 140 gram from which 30 gram are saturated
Carbs : 380 grams
Protein : 500 grams
divided on 6-7 meals
this is what diet would look like on lazy days when im busy, but it can go upto 6000-7000 calories if you guys think its better .

as overall what you guys think ? if you advice me to throw in another substance or something ? what about diet?too weak ?
i actually asked the "pro" that i knew and all he could say is HGH is the priority ,and at a dose no less than 10 iu or preferably 16 iu + 1,5 gram of test+ other stuff , but i think am too young to get 16 iu HGH but this is also a question i like to ask you guys : does HGH has a feedback response like the androgens?? if it doesnt have a feedback , then if my body is young and produces X amount of GH daily,if i take also another 10 iu HGH , it wud be 10 iu HGH + X amound naturally made ,so afterall HGH would be good also for young guys?
so to sum it up :

1-its possible i have very small type of gyno even if it occured after long time of quitting gear and gym or its just fat level up ?

2-chances of getting fake powder gear are as big as the chances of getting fake ready2use gear?

3-what you think of my cycle and comeback and diet? ok or what is weak there?

4-the HGH at young age? has feedback responce and what you think about my theory

Thank you and hope i get answers

 

[jondale123]

man in my honest opinion that way to much gear and your way to small to have run that many cycles. 5'7" 180 20% body fat. man no disrespect but you need to get in the gym and train and get your diet down.

 

[ahmad_f]

thanks for the reply .... i wasnt 20% BF when i was training ... i was around 10% BF and reached the 200 pounds limit when i was training in the past.... but after i have quit the gym for a year and a half and started a very unhealthy life..i got to 180 and 20 % BF .... i know it too much gear....but in the past i used up to 800mg deca - 750 mg test - 50 mg danabol ...... so now if i get back to the gym and use less doses ..will it have some effect ?? ... what would a cycle for comback would be like? to return to my past shape at 200 pounds? however i will lower my BF to 10-15 % max before i start the gear

 

[jondale123]

Thats a good idea. to drop some bf.
ok i will throw something at ya and see what you think we are to young for all the hgh and stuff imho. i am 23 and have a few cycles under my belt.
dbol 1-5 50mg/ed
test e 1-12 750mg/week
tren e 1-10 500mg/week
hcg 6-17 250 iu monday & thursday
have letro and dostinex or caber in case of estrogen or progestin sides appear.

pct starts week 15
Week 15 18- Forma HCGenerate postcycle and unleashed

Week 18- bridge

ANd also maybe run some hcgenerate on cycle to keep you from shutting down hard.

 

[ahmad_f]

well trenbolon enanthate isnt harder on shutdown than boldenon and deca? and also with less results as a mass cycle agent ? because i see its mostly used for Cutting cycles , i dont suffer bloat issues or fat with deca or dbol , so the trenbolone enanthate at 500mg would build more mass than 1000mg of (combined 500mg boldenon + 500mg nandrolone deca) ?
hgh i know and always thought of it as a waste of time and money for ppl under 35 especially under 30and 25 ... but what i was thinking that if we introduce Hgh in the body , it doesnt have a feedback response,unlike AAS ,, when we introduce test or AAS ,there is feedback respone,,so no more natural production of test, but with GH ,,there isnt feedback repsone,,so when we introduce X amount of GH and the body naturaly produces Y amount of gh ,,, then the benefit would be better of gh? like for example a young man using 5iu of gh = an old man using 10iu gh .... so it wouldnt be a waste of time and money anyway ??? so its possible? or what am talking is nonsense? ... anyway i wont be using gh from the begining ,i would wait a year heavy lifting and diet and heavy AAS ,so when i reach at least 200lb - 220 lb then i will use gh for bulk use(6 months minimum run) ,but before it would be a waste of time,or maybe for cutting 2-3 months, the IGF1 is very interesting ,and from what i have heard, that its much more worht the money than GH ,for people under 30 . and i know it helps localized growth , so i can get my weak points up , thats why i though about IGF.with 4 weeks on,4weeks off

so using 500mg tren is better for bulking than 500mg boldenon+500mg nandrolone ?
IGF&MGF arent worth using with the cycle?not even 4 weeks to help weak muscle groups?
GH has a negative feedback respons same as AAS ?and my theory is nonsense ?
my diet is weak ? what needs fixing in it?
by the way i always see here some stuff like HCGenerate ? what is this? its same as HCG ? and what is Unleashed ? and liquid femara? its homebrew AI that is suspended into liquid(not for using but for research purposes only ))?it would be great and cheaper,or is it some kind of normal supplement?

 

[stevesmi]

here is what you should do... store all that gear.

do a lot more research and hit the gym and your diet hard for the next 6 months.. then if you get back into shape by then consider running test only cycle for 10 weeks. you can kickstart with some dbol 20-30mg a day. you don't need the outrageous doses you list to achieve results.

 

[ahmad_f]

well anyway i will be getting back to the gym for cardio and diet to lower BF % , but to start with 10 weeks and only Test E at 500mg and dbol 20-30 mg!! , this is my first cycle that i done when i first started, about 4 years ago , and i got at higher doses at 750mg test and 50mg dbol and 800mg deca at most afterwards , so if i now start as a beginner to gear , and use 500mg test and 20-30 mg dbol kickstrt ,and only 10 weeks, will this bring me the results that i would get in a cycle in the past ? or my body got used to higher doses so now if i take lower doses they wont have that much effect ?? thats what i am worried about , and ok i will drop the doses and will drop gh-igf-MGf and peptides , but to drop all the way to start as a beginner to the world of aas is ok?

BTW Stevesmi from where from Lebanon are you ? i am also from Lebanon ( Sayda ) but live in europe.

 

[stevesmi]

I'm an american but my family is from there.

if you took long enough of a break your receptors should be clear. what i'm saying is get conditioned first and back in shape before running a cycle, your body will appreciate it.. it will pay off long term.

 

[thelocal]

and remmber dont run 50mgs of dbol for 8 weeks!

 

[ahmad_f]

interesting ...the receptors clear after 1 and a half year off gear and gym .... didnt know that they would clear up that fast and react to 500mg test only same as reacting to 750-1000mg of test and other stuff, i will give it a try ,i will be doing heavy cardio Clen-t3 ..lower my BF....i dont think i will be in need of something more dangerous ...when i get to 10 i hope or 15 MAXIMUM BF% ...i will hit the gear and hit the weights hard with my diet plan of 5000 calories and minimum 500 gr high quality protein and will do 500mg test and low doses,and see how i react , if the receptors truly are cleared up and i react good, it would be fantastic, and i will save my gear for future...especially mgf-lr3igf-hgh ......

running 50mg dbol for 8 weeks is considered Very dangerous ??i always heard dbol would kill u,17aa steroids will kill you in 2 years and stuff like this..... i heard alot of horror stories ...so to be honest...i think that its true but in the world of steroids everybody reacts differently ...and i believe best dose and best cycles and best drugs you found out not by asking...but by Trial&Error mode.... but it wouldnt hurt to ask Pro's .... so regarding the 50mg dbol or any aa17 steroids....for 8 weeks.... i done it before for curiosity 8 weeks straight dbol at 50mg ...and 60mg on training days(10mg plus pill after wo). in a cycle with Test only ...as these 2 compunds i found are the best.... so after 12 weeks the whole cycle....i done pct 3 weeks ...and then after another 2 weeks ..i went to make a blood work ...and checked my liver ... because of my curiosity and because the Pro that i knew , told me that my liver would be messed up ....so after i recieved the results.. my liver and blood works were 100% ok ...and the Dbol used on cycle then was 100000% legit taken personally from a pharmacy (human grade) ...... so realy everybody is different , .... BTW for liver protection i have faith in LIV-52 by Himalaya.....

by the way i didnt get answer about the rest of my questions .... with the gear and my cycle i understand the extreme doses and exotic drugs arent neccesary and a beginner cycle would be ok ....but what about my other Questions ?:

1- my diet plan is ok or its too weak for a bulk? ( i dont gain fat easy nor get bloated fast )

2-the hgh theory i was thinking about is nonsense ? exogenous hgh will stop endogenous hgh from being produced ? same as with AAS feedback response?

3-is there anything about muscle memory that is true? or just a myth ? i hopte its true so i get back to the 200lb 10%bf faster..

4-liquid femara and liquid AI i saw on websites of the board sponsers what are their ingredients exactly(i know they are for"research"use only)? the liquid femara is 2.5mg letrozol suspended in liquid or its just a normal supplement?