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Social anxiety disorder

Testo

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Hi everyone, im just asking for some info from those of you how have\had 'social anxiety disorder' ive had this for years and thought it was just 'me' and could not change it.

For example i will start sweating and blushing when talking to new people or even people i know already especially women, this is a big problem for me and when i look back it started back in high school.

I think this is the root to my other problems such as low self esteem, little self respect, and maybe even the 'bigorexia' people are talking about which i know for sure i have as well.

If i can sort the socal anxiety problem out, i think\hope my other problems will be sorted out too, except maybe the bigorexia which i dont think is much of a problem.

I researched this and someone mentioned zoloft is good for this condition and paxil\xanax.

Sorry for the long thread, any info would be great, thanks.
 
Propranolol - it blocks all physical effects of anxiety and nervousness (i.e. sweating, throbbing pulse, shaking, basically anything that is caused by adrenaline). Lots of famous actors take it for stage fright. It doesn't make you dopey at all. & its dirt cheap. Not that many people know about it - I just found out about it and it has worked wonders for me. You can still get quite angry while on it but you feel calm and collective at the same time - its awsome.
 
oeffler said:
Propranolol - it blocks all physical effects of anxiety and nervousness (i.e. sweating, throbbing pulse, shaking, basically anything that is caused by adrenaline). Lots of famous actors take it for stage fright. It doesn't make you dopey at all. & its dirt cheap. Not that many people know about it - I just found out about it and it has worked wonders for me. You can still get quite angry while on it but you feel calm and collective at the same time - its awsome.

This is the second time I've seen this stuff mentioned today. Is it Rx or OTC?
 
Testo said:
Hi everyone, im just asking for some info from those of you how have\had 'social anxiety disorder' ive had this for years and thought it was just 'me' and could not change it.

Go do a search under the username "p60". All or your questions will be answered.
 
casavant said:


This is the second time I've seen this stuff mentioned today. Is it Rx or OTC?

Its Rx only as far as I know - but you shouldn't have any problems getting it. 10-20mg two or three times a day is all I need. Good luck.
 
oeffler said:


Its Rx only as far as I know - but you shouldn't have any problems getting it. 10-20mg two or three times a day is all I need. Good luck.

My doc's got me on Wellbutrin and Adderall. I don't want to push my luck. :D

The Wellbutrin kills my anxiety pretty well by itself.
 
Screwed up seratonin levels I'd say, St Johns Wort works for some people (you DO have to pick a brand that standardizes to the active ingredient though, PM me if needed), or prozac etc if that doesn't do the trick.
 
Thanks bro's, oeffler i just looked up Propranolol and it says its a short term cure for anxiety which would prob work but ive had this problem since i was about 12 and im 21 now so i think i need more of a long term med im not sure.

Thanks Dr M, you maybe right i'll do some more research on seratonin levels and see if it fits. I did try st johns wort though and it did improve my mood but i started hearing voices no shit so i got of it right away after that.

If anyone in the uk has this disorder i would be interested in talking to you and what meds your on as im not sure paxil is available in the uk.
 
I've been battling it myself. I'm 29 and have always had problems meeting new people and dating. I'm taking Paxil now and it seems to help the general anxiety but I don't socialize at all.
 
Testo said:
Thanks Dr M, you maybe right i'll do some more research on seratonin levels and see if it fits. I did try st johns wort though and it did improve my mood but i started hearing voices no shit so i got of it right away after that.

I've tried brands that did nothing, and some that were AWESOME, again it depends on how honest they are being on the label, unfortunately I don't recall what the important part of it is that is only included in high enough doses in some brands, I have it printed out.

If you heard voices I have noooooo idea where that came from, I do not believe St Johns would have anything to do with that, bizzare.
 
I probably just go to the doc then a see what\if he prescribes anything for me.

Ive been reading 5 HTP is good if taken with B6 has anyone tryed this?

They seems to be mixed views on paxil and zoloft though and ppl are only recommending valium and xanax for short term use due to their addictive propertys.
 
I am the king of social anxiety disorder. Here's my sad, sad story; even more sad due to the several vodka and tonics I am trying to keep down.

First. paxil doesn't do SHIT. You'll be looking for something else soon. Paxil won't help.

I started getting SAD after a cycle of test, decca, and dbol. I was 26 years old; two years ago. I couldn't explain it. All of a sudden, I'm like getting very embarassed around peple and shaking and shit. Like stage fright, all the time.

What did I do? GHB. I don't reccoomend it. You;ll reck your car and maybe die. Not good.

I drank alcohol too. People can smeel it. Not good, either.

Honestly, the only things that ever helped me were clonopin, valume, meth, and ghb. Of those listed, clonopin is legal with a script.

It gets better. For some reason, steroid use can trigger it. I don't know why exactly, except that it increases adrenaline levels. DSon't know.

You are better off looking for the psychological cause, not the chemical. The more I work on being mor comfortable in social situations the better it gets.

Funny, a fe years ago I would have laughed at SAD. No anymore. It sucks, but I can think of worse. The more you get used to it, the less it stresses you out.

The3 thing with SAD is that it seems to make itself worse. You think, why am I feeling like this? Which makes you more SAD. Sucks. I feel; for you, because I been there.

Valuome, clonopin, alcohol, ghb, or just get better at relaxing in social situations. Talk more about it later, pm me or something when I am sber I can talk.
 
casavant said:


My doc's got me on Wellbutrin and Adderall. I don't want to push my luck. :D

The Wellbutrin kills my anxiety pretty well by itself.

I'm curious about your doses. That combination often CREATES anxiety.
 
Testo said:
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If i can sort the socal anxiety problem out, i think\hope my other problems will be sorted out too, except maybe the bigorexia which i dont think is much of a problem.

I researched this and someone mentioned zoloft is good for this condition and paxil\xanax.

Sorry for the long thread, any info would be great, thanks.

You should talk to buddy28 who has had success treating SAD with cognitive therapy.
 
Zoloft and Paxil can cause some nasty sides. Xanax can be helpful but it can also cause trouble thinking clearly (like doing math). Of those three, Xanax seems to be the lesser of evils for negative sides though. Sometimes you will have to start out at a higher dose, then as your SAD calms down, you can lower the doses, sometimes to the point of taking a half on an as needed basis instead of 3 times a day. It's a short acting drug which is nice...no sense in taking something if you don't really have to. I wish you luck in finding what works for you!
 
I was born this way. I use to sit in the corner by myself in Sunday School Class. As everyone says here, there are great medications for this problem. Klonopin is excellent.
 
Firstly, don’t listen to the people on the thread suggesting psychotropics aka meds are a long term cure for social anxiety disorder.

In 99 out of 100 cases, meds will not cure social anxiety because social anxiety is largely caused by a persons thoughts and beleifs. Medication changes neuronal chemistry, but so do thoughts and belief systems. If the belief systems which largely cause the perpetuation of social anxiety symptoms are not addressed, meds only become a temporary solution.

Clinical research and practical experience has demonstrated many anxiety disorders, including social anxiety, are most effectively treated using cognitive behavioural therapy specialized for the particular anxiety disorder.

Why arnt many mental health care professionals aware of this?

1) not alot of physicians and mental health care workers are intimately familiar with social anxiety disorder and associated effective therapeutic techniques because Social Anxiety is relatively newly classified as an 'official' mental disorder. Meaning appropriate treatment regimes for social anxiety have yet to become 'common knowledge' in the mental health care community, even though the clinical research is out there.

2) disappointing as this may sound, many mental health care workers and physicians regard social anxiety as a relatively benign mental health care problem having similar severity to the social unease many nonanxious people feel. Unfortunately, the name social anxiety employs a term which many nonanxious people associate with temporary social nervousness they occassionally experience. Thus, they erroneously assume social anxiety disorder is another case of the mental health care community pathologizing a relatively normal human condition. I try to explain to people who think this way, if non anxious people experience about a 4 or 5 anxiety level associated with a particular anxiety causing situation, social anxiety sufferers experience about a 25 or 30!!

3) because of the largely biological educational paradigm most physicians and psychiatrists are indoctrinated with and North Americans obsession with the 'quick fix', psychotropic medications are routinely overprescribed to social anxiety sufferers and pharmaceutical medications are usually emphasised as the singular most important aspect of the Social anxiety treatment regime. This has been proven false. But many health care workers attitudes remain unchanged simply because they may not be aware of more effective alternative treatment methods, underestimate the severity of the problem and assume an antidepressant will be sufficent to boost the patient out of their perceived 'low mood'....

4) and this is going to shock some of you. There are many doctors, psychologists, and psychiatrists out there who aren’t completely dedicated to their patients recovery. Pulling back the veil, many are just ordinary people like u and me who have lost their idealism that motivated them to pursue a profession in patient health care, that are now simply chasing the dollars, the women, or the status. Some really don’t care all that much and are too busy living behind the prestige of 'doctor' or 'psychiatrist'. This also does a good job explaining why many mental health care professionals aren’t up to date on the most effective therapies for disorders they treat.


So, what can i recommend. First, abandon the idea medications will cause social anxiety to go away. They most likely will not. Yes, they can add temporary relief and medications can be an effective adjunct to more effective long term treatment strategies, but they will not cure you.

Secondly, comprehensive cognitive behavioural therapy specialized for social anxiety has been empirically demonstrated as the most effective therapeutic strategy to overcome social anxiety disorder.

The great news is people overcome social anxiety disorder everyday using CBT, and so can you! Social anxiety, although extremely paralysing and restrictive, can be successfully treated using CBT.



If your serious about wanting to overcome social anxiety, I recommend you visit this website:

http://www.socialanxietyinstitute.org/



The Social Anxiety Institute located in Phoenix Arizona, is run by Dr Richards - a psychologist who specializes in treating social anxiety disorder whom had social anxiety himself for over 20 years before overcoming it and earning his PhD in psychology.

In response to the lack of publically available effective SA treatment regimes and knowledgeable mental healthcare professionals, Dr Richards created a 20 audio tape series and booklet which details cognitive and behavioural strategies required to overcome sa. Basically, the audio series and the book teaches u how to become ur own psychologist.

Dr Richards also runs international and national Social Anxiety behavioural therapy groups regularly from the social anxiety institute. He is a man dedicated to helping people overcome social anxiety.

My story. I’ve had social anxiety since I was 14-15. I’m 25 now. At one time my social anxiety was so debilitating I could barely talk to my own parents without feeling extremely embarrassed and anxious, let alone leave the house to buy some toothpaste or get a movie!! My social anxiety did a great job at restricting and limiting my choices in every aspect of my life, leaving me paralysed, depressed and feeling hopeless.

After buying Dr Richards 20 audio tape series and working on it for over a year (yes, its completely worth the money), I’m ALOT better. The severe depression is gone. I feel significantly less anxious and much more confident then I did 2 years ago. One of the great things, I don’t feel that ubiquitous panic anymore, fearing every social interaction will go horribly wrong.

It is a journey of self discovery. I’ve still got a ways to go, but at least now I’ve got the tools to get better.
 
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There is a big debate on this topic with most doctors now recongizing that therapy alone is insufficient to improve most of these disorders for most people.
 
biteme said:
There is a big debate on this topic with most doctors now recongizing that therapy alone is insufficient to improve most of these disorders for most people.

Funny how some things that seem so obvious take such a long time to be recognized by the scientific and medical communities, huh? :) Honestly- this shit seems like a no-brainer. But then, it took a long time for them to admit that steroids enhance strength and muscle mass. I guess we shouldn't be surprised.
 
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musclebrains said:


You should talk to buddy28 who has had success treating SAD with cognitive therapy.

still reluctant to pick up that new fangled cognitive therapy?
 
MrsPuddlesFL said:
Zoloft and Paxil can cause some nasty sides. Xanax can be helpful but it can also cause trouble thinking clearly (like doing math). Of those three, Xanax seems to be the lesser of evils for negative sides though. Sometimes you will have to start out at a higher dose, then as your SAD calms down, you can lower the doses, sometimes to the point of taking a half on an as needed basis instead of 3 times a day. It's a short acting drug which is nice...no sense in taking something if you don't really have to. I wish you luck in finding what works for you!

Oh yeah.

Xanax and math don't mix.

I got so slow......doing math. Its stopped once I got off Xanax(I use it for sleep).

Fonz
 
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buddy28 said:


still reluctant to pick up that new fangled cognitive therapy?

I am more convinced than ever that it's no more effective than other forms of therapy. I supervise several psychologists who have given up on it. I wrote some articles critical of it recently, received an avalanche of mail from angry clinicians who claimed empirical evidence for long term success. I asked to see the data. Nobody's bothered, after three weeks, to send me a thing. One person admitted that there was a high incidence of relapse but claimed that resuming a few sessions quickly put the person back on track. And when I was invited to debate one of the cognitive biggies and accepted, sending along the outline of my argument, they suddenly withdrew the invitation.

I suggest you read Jerome Bruner's "Acts of Meaning." He was one of the originators of cognitive work and his book demonstrates how what was in the beginning an attempt to help people find meaning has been co-opted by behaviorists who promote a mechanistic model of the psyche.

I am interested in your argument that grounds the rejection of cognitive work in the culture of psychotherapy. However, it's equally true that cognitive work itself, by displacing the question of meaning and focusing on symptoms, is itself part of the culture of contemporary psychotherapy. In other words: Being short-term, supposedly, it gratifies insurance companies. And then, when they stop paying, the clients show up at the doors of psychodynamic types looking for something more.

That said, I'm glad the stuff works for you but you do seem to work REALLY hard at it. And that is one of the underlying assumptions of cognitive therapy: high motivation on the part of the client. I think when people are that highly motivated, it probably has a good chance of being helpful, but the same would be true of any other therapy. Where the will is disabled, cognitive work simply doesn't work well.
 
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I get Social Anxiety Disorder everytime I have to get up and go to work.
 
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musclebrains said:



I am interested in your argument that grounds the rejection of cognitive work in the culture of psychotherapy.

I cant say categorically I support absolute separation of patient practised cognitive therapy from traditional treatment notions originating in contemporary psychotherapeutic culture. Contemporary psychotherapeutic 'culture' is a massive field consisting of a theoretical and practical knowledge set i cant claim to know intimately. That being said, there are parts of contemporary psychotherapeutic philosophy which I reject and accept based on their ability to serve the varied interests of the patient

In my own experience, working with the appropriate cognitive tools in a solitary setting has allowed me to explore and accept otherwise inaccessible truths about myself, simply due to the nature of what I have. Social anxiety, depending on its severity and variation within the individual, is usually accompanied by intense internal criticism and self consciousness associated with the candid expression of emotions generally considered healthy. This nasty little voice turns rational expression and feeling on its head, making the individual feel terribly ashamed and embarrassed for allowing cathartic emotional release around others, and the logical alternative of repression, however dysfunctional, becomes more attractive.

My personal opinion - patient applied cognitive therapy is a legitimate alternative for able individuals who feel extremely reluctant to confront and express emotional trauma around others, at least in the early-middle stages of treatment. The benefits of interpersonal contact for almost all mental disorders, of course, cannot be underscored enough. But I think select cases could certainly benefit from limited interpersonal therapeutic contact in addition to patient applied cognitive/behavioural therapy.

That has been my experience at least.



musclebrains said:
However, it's equally true that cognitive work itself, by displacing the question of meaning and focusing on symptoms, is itself part of the culture of contemporary psychotherapy. In other words: Being short-term, supposedly, it gratifies insurance companies.

This is interesting. Although cognitive therapy has demonstrated its effectiveness in treating a variety of behavioural and affective disorders, its focus on altering cognitive constructs that largely underlie the manifestations of the particular disorder, usually in a expedited fashion, is a lucky coincidence IMO. Both for mental disorder sufferers and the insurance companies holding the bill.

I definitely can appreciate ur contention cognitive therapy is the darling of insurance companies because it can and does offer a relatively quick and permanent fix for select maladies if applied correctly and *consistently*. This is a godsend not just to the insurance companies but also to the sufferers; many of whom don’t have the luxury to speculate as to possible ethical implications of practising a therapeutic technique having few existential pointers because the disorder is usually so debilitating to begin with, anything that promises permanent releif from unrelenting mental anguish is welcomed with open arms.

ex. If you throw a drowning man a life buoy, he's not going to care what colour it is.

musclebrains said:
And then, when they stop paying, the clients show up at the doors of psychodynamic types looking for something more.

I don’t doubt it. But I’m going to speculate here many psychodynamic clients looking for deeper life meaning have largely stable emotions, which allow them to pursue more abstract theories of existence and personal consequence largely irrelevant to individuals severely afflicted by a particular malady.

Alternatively, whose to say many psychodynamic clients don’t end up at the offices of cognitive therapists looking for a personal revelation which eluded them during their exploration of psychodynamic philosophy.


Granted, the psychodynamic tradition definitely offers a greater theoretical breadth and depth to understanding the human psyche with possible existential/theological implications. But many people in the world are satisfied with the assumed innate worth afforded to individuals espoused by the cognitive/humanistic camp and leave it there, or look for alternative meaning in the traditional world religions.

musclebrains said:
That said, I'm glad the stuff works for you but you do seem to work REALLY hard at it. And that is one of the underlying assumptions of cognitive therapy: high motivation on the part of the client. I think when people are that highly motivated, it probably has a good chance of being helpful, but the same would be true of any other therapy. Where the will is disabled, cognitive work simply doesn't work well.

Well, that last parts certainly up for debate :) But thanks for your support. I was pushing it really hard. Too hard for awhile. But ive settled it down and back on track.
 
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buddy28 said:


I cant say categorically I support absolute separation of patient practised cognitive therapy from traditional treatment notions originating in contemporary psychotherapeutic culture. Contemporary psychotherapeutic 'culture' is a massive field consisting of a theoretical and practical knowledge set i cant claim to know intimately. That being said, there are parts of contemporary psychotherapeutic philosophy which I reject and accept based on their ability to serve the varied interests of the patient

In my own experience, working with the appropriate cognitive tools in a solitary setting has allowed me to explore and accept otherwise inaccessible truths about myself, simply due to the nature of what I have. Social anxiety, depending on its severity and variation within the individual, is usually accompanied by intense internal criticism and self consciousness associated with the candid expression of emotions generally considered healthy. This nasty little voice turns rational expression and feeling on its head, making the individual feel terribly ashamed and embarrassed for allowing cathartic emotional release around others, and the logical alternative of repression, however dysfunctional, becomes more attractive.

I'm unclear how this differs from reading a self-help book and practicing exercises at home alone. I am very mistrustful of any therpeutic modality that doesn't involve more than the individual and his thoughts. Is it worth noting the irony that you're talking about treating SAD without another person present? Is your lens also your symptom? One argument in classic therapy is that, through, transference, the therapist takes on the projections of the client and provides a container for working through the anxieties that underlie the projections. Of course, that takes quite a while.

buddy28 said:
My personal opinion - patient applied cognitive therapy is a legitimate alternative for able individuals who feel extremely reluctant to confront and express emotional trauma around others, at least in the early-middle stages of treatment. The benefits of interpersonal contact for almost all mental disorders, of course, cannot be underscored enough. But I think select cases could certainly benefit from limited interpersonal therapeutic contact in addition to patient applied cognitive/behavioural therapy.

That has been my experience at least.

Well that's interesting. One of the growing critiques of psychodynamic practice is that the recollection and catharsis of "trauma" actually re-traumatizes the client, and entrenches his disorder. (The NYT Magazine did a lengthy article on this a few weeks back.) The argument, cognitive based, is that clients should learn to "repress" their memories. I find this to be more true than not, having done considerable primal work. I met people who have been laying in safe rooms, shouting at their mommies, for years. However, a psychodynamic approach does not require reiterative catharsis.


buddy28 said:
This is interesting. Although cognitive therapy has demonstrated its effectiveness in treating a variety of behavioural and affective disorders, its focus on altering cognitive constructs that largely underlie the manifestations of the particular disorder, usually in a expedited fashion, is a lucky coincidence IMO. Both for mental disorder sufferers and the insurance companies holding the bill.

I definitely can appreciate ur contention cognitive therapy is the darling of insurance companies because it can and does offer a relatively quick and permanent fix for select maladies if applied correctly and *consistently*. This is a godsend not just to the insurance companies but also to the sufferers; many of whom don’t have the luxury to speculate as to possible ethical implications of practising a therapeutic technique having few existential pointers because the disorder is usually so debilitating to begin with, anything that promises permanent releif from unrelenting mental anguish is welcomed with open arms.

ex. If you throw a drowning man a life buoy, he's not going to care what colour it is.

Then again, if the life buoy is perforated, he might want something more secure to hold onto: like meaning in his life. And that might be something more than clining to a method.

buddy28 said:
But I’m going to speculate here many psychodynamic clients looking for deeper life meaning have largely stable emotions, which allow them to pursue more abstract theories of existence and personal consequence largely irrelevant to individuals severely afflicted by a particular malady. Alternatively, whose to say many psychodynamic clients don’t end up at the offices of cognitive therapists looking for a personal revelation which eluded them during their exploration of psychodynamic philosophy.

I've referred plenty of people to cognitive work. My experience is that the techniques start to slip when the underlying gestalt, unaddressed, begins to assert itself. I consider this a demonstration of the fact that the psyche operates as more than a cognitive linquisitic machine.

Your assumption about clients doing psychodynamic work is not accurate. Most are very unstable emotionally. In analytical-based work there is often a presumption that the individual is fundamentally stable and wishes, by exploring his memories, fantasies, dreams, experiences, to discern meaning and purpose in existence. This is very far from an abstract experience. In fact, it almost always stresses the involvement of the body and, in my view, bears more in common with aesthetics than science.

buddy28 said:
[BGranted, the psychodynamic tradition definitely offers a greater theoretical breadth and depth to understanding the human psyche with possible existential/theological implications. But many people in the world are satisfied with the assumed innate worth afforded to individuals espoused by the cognitive/humanistic camp and leave it there, or look for alternative meaning in the traditional world religions. [/B]

Yes, I agree, it's up to the client. As you know, I oppose most conventional therapies. However, the discovery of innate worth is far different from discerning one's personal meaning and purpose.
 
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musclebrains said:


I'm unclear how this differs from reading a self-help book and practicing exercises at home alone. I am very mistrustful of any therapeutic modality that doesn't involve more than the individual and his thoughts. Is it worth noting the irony that you're talking about treating SAD without another person present? Is your lens also your symptom?

I should have been more clear. The therapy I’m practising for social anxiety strongly suggests participation in a behavioural group consisting of other social anxiety sufferers, towards the latter half of treatment. The preliminary cognitive portion is intended to reorient individual thinking towards more rational thought, stop constant negative ruminations, and introduce disorder specific cognitive strategies which help reduce the severity of social anxiety.

For instance, many social anxiety sufferers tend to unconsciously fight or hold on to physical anxiety instead of learning to accept it. Fighting physical anxiety usually intensifies nervousness experienced, thereby exacerbating conditions associated with the presence of anxiety.

The cognitive therapy I’m working on that addresses physical anxiety consists of short statements suggesting the *acceptance* of anxiety and the benefits derived from it, instead of fighting anxiety. The cognitive material is intended to be read aloud, daily in something called 'slow talk', until the individual can feel the therapy working.

The psychological principle underlying the effectiveness of repetitive cognitive therapy is gradual cognitive reprogramming through gentle reiteration of rational phrases.

I do acknowledge that in some ways, cognitive therapy can represent a form of indirect behaviour modification. But the analogy of the drowning man and life buoy comes to mind. And to be honest, I have no problem with the ethical implications of behavioural modification since some behaviours and thoughts can be extremely self defeating.


musclebrains said:
Well that's interesting. One of the growing critiques of psychodynamic practice is that the recollection and catharsis of "trauma" actually re-traumatizes the client, and entrenches his disorder. (The NYT Magazine did a lengthy article on this a few weeks back.) The argument, cognitive based, is that clients should learn to "repress" their memories. I find this to be more true than not, having done considerable primal work. I met people who have been laying in safe rooms, shouting at their mommies, for years. However, a psychodynamic approach does not require reiterative catharsis.

I’m familiar with this argument too. I doubt all cognitive approaches would advocate total repression of traumatic past events. However, I recognize that most don’t encourage continued, reiterative cathartic expression of those same events. Its really difficult to pigeon hole one therapeutic modal as encompassing a rigidly defined set of therapeutic techniques and criteria for their application, when most psychologists describe themselves as eclectic in their treatment strategy.

From my own perspective, one intended effect of the cognitive behavioural therapy I’m practising for Social Anxiety is to free the individual from paralysing negative rumination sufficiently to enable unimpeded exploration of issues having personal consequence. In my opinion, there’s no real set of 'official' criteria clinicians who employ cognitive techniques use to determine what existential related issues can be contemplated by their clients and whom patients should discuss those issues with. But I do think cognitive therapeutic philosophy does elude to the appropriate timing of when such contemplation should occur and recommends restricting it until the cessation of severe symptoms. On the surface, this suggests cognitive thought asserts existential exploration has little to do with complete patient recovery. But I think this is erroneous logic. I believe cognitive philosphey prioritizes, in applicable circumstances, the expeditious normalization of patient functioning to reduce mental confusion and anguish experienced. After that, any topic is fair game.


musclebrains said:

Then again, if the life buoy is perforated, he might want something more secure to hold onto: like meaning in his life. And that might be something more than clining to a method.


I suppose its a matter of individual perspective.



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musclebrains said:

ve referred plenty of people to cognitive work. My experience is that the techniques start to slip when the underlying gestalt, undressed, begins to assert itself. I consider this a demonstration of the fact that the psyche operates as more than a cognitive linguistic machine.

I agree. There’s certainly allot more to healthy operation of the human psyche than purely cognitive thought. However, that doesn’t diminish the significance cognitive thought has in 'normalized' emotive experience.

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musclebrains said:
Your assumption about clients doing psychodynamic work is not accurate. Most are very unstable emotionally. In analytical-based work there is often a presumption that the individual is fundamentally stable and wishes, by exploring his memories, fantasies, dreams, experiences, to discern meaning and purpose in existence. This is very far from an abstract experience. In fact, it almost always stresses the involvement of the body and, in my view, bears more in common with aesthetics than science.

interesting.
 
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