small guys need less ?

[LVTitan]

Hey i'm rather new to the gear, (not a virgin) but definitely new to bulletin boards.... these things confusing..anyway here's the deal. In a certain book i got a sample cycle for a 15 bulking... the cycle goes like this.
weeks 1-15 test ent250 3ccs' week
1-5 d-bol 40mg/day
6-10 deca 400/week
11-15 winstrol tabs 40mg/day
im 29 but look like im in high school still, and only 130 lbs right now. until my first cycle (test only 12wks) i never weighed over 118 lbs. that got me to 140. my 2nd/3rd cycles again 12wks test or sustanon. but i tapered up/down thru cycles all 3 times. (old news i know now) been lifting for a few years but usually only 6mos. out of the year. question is: me being such a small guy body fat is 2-3% although i look ripped just not bulky. IS 3cc week test too much ? i only ever did 3cc during my peak weeks before, but im not afraid to take that much, just want to know if it's necessary. I am on my second week of this cycle and i have the test and d-bol. have not purchased the deca or winny yet. what do you guys think of this cycle, and is clomid after cycle enough for such a long cycle or should i nolv/prov.. i never had a prob with gyno, im skinny enough as it is... thanks for any advice...

 

[help4john]

1) Too much test.
2) Heavy on the DBOL.
3) Inconsistent lifting history
4) You began the cycle without gear?
5) Clomid isn't enough for this cycle
6) No anti-e's? HCG?
7) Research drjmw's PCT advice in the PCT forum.
8) Length of cycle...long?
9) What does the diet consist of?
10) Milk thistle for DBOL?

Have I missed anything?

 

[LVTitan]

1) Too much test.
2) Heavy on the DBOL.
3) Inconsistent lifting history
4) You began the cycle without gear?
5) Clomid isn't enough for this cycle
6) No anti-e's? HCG?
7) Research drjmw's PCT advice in the PCT forum.
8) Length of cycle...long?
9) What does the diet consist of?
10) Milk thistle for DBOL?

Have I missed anything?

1. you prefer 500mg week
2. thats 4 10mg dbols a day throughout the day, u say more?
3. i was locked up so i didnt lift for the last 5 mos.
4. began cycle with test and d-bol, wont need deca for 3 more weeks.
5. when should i start the nolv/ or proviron? never had gyno probs before
6. was thinking of 3 amps of HCG , 1 every 6 days then clomid for a month
7. the cycle is 15 weeks.
8. i am exer 5 days a week, dbol 5 on 2 off, eating a lot, taking protein and sleeping 8 hours a night. already put on 5 lbs in one week.
10. yes i take 1000mg milk thistle daily.

 

[help4john]

1. you prefer 500mg week
2. thats 4 10mg dbols a day throughout the day, u say more?
3. i was locked up so i didnt lift for the last 5 mos.
4. began cycle with test and d-bol, wont need deca for 3 more weeks.
5. when should i start the nolv/ or proviron? never had gyno probs before
6. was thinking of 3 amps of HCG , 1 every 6 days then clomid for a month
7. the cycle is 15 weeks.
8. i am exer 5 days a week, dbol 5 on 2 off, eating a lot, taking protein and sleeping 8 hours a night. already put on 5 lbs in one week.
10. yes i take 1000mg milk thistle daily.

1) 500mg is better....I'm 250lbs and don't use 750mg...yet
2) 25-30mg
3) Can't help ya' there!
4) Even the best layed plans can end up flawed. It is always best to have all the gear in advance.
5) Keep Nolva on hand in the event gyno or estrogen related sides appear. Also should be used in PCT. I also like Proviron but Nolva is a better anti-e. The only problem is that I shed and my sex drive goes through the roof!
6) HCG mid cycle MWF 500-1000IU for two weeks. Also should be used in PCT.
7) I just don't like long cycles....too difficult for me to recover from....especially when Deca and heavy test are used.
8) Protein intake....I shoot for 400mg/day...yours s/b slightly less. Great on the exercise and sleep. It's so hard to get a solid 8!
9) Good advance thinking!

Good luck! Thoughts from others??????

 

[NaturalOnlyAtBirth]

For your weight I think you should try to get at least 250 grams of protein a day from clean sources and you should grow very quickly. Sometimes it's hard getting back into the swing of things but lifting should be exactly what you need to concentrate on everything going on with being locked up and probably on probation now. So good luck! oh 500 should be enough, maybe try prop if you can get it, its definetely my personal favorite test.

 

[LVTitan]

1) 500mg is better....I'm 250lbs and don't use 750mg...yet
2) 25-30mg
3) Can't help ya' there!
4) Even the best layed plans can end up flawed. It is always best to have all the gear in advance.
5) Keep Nolva on hand in the event gyno or estrogen related sides appear. Also should be used in PCT. I also like Proviron but Nolva is a better anti-e. The only problem is that I shed and my sex drive goes through the roof!
6) HCG mid cycle MWF 500-1000IU for two weeks. Also should be used in PCT.
7) I just don't like long cycles....too difficult for me to recover from....especially when Deca and heavy test are used.
8) Protein intake....I shoot for 400mg/day...yours s/b slightly less. Great on the exercise and sleep. It's so hard to get a solid 8!
9) Good advance thinking!

Good luck! Thoughts from others??????

1. already have the 50cc bottle, would i be better off to lower, or since money already spent will i be okay using the 750 you think ?
2. already have the 100 d-bol, u think i should drop to 3/day and go all week instead of 5 on 2 off ?
3. shit happens... 4.yes true, just made plans tonight, deca /winnie on the way. (also my buddy tells me i dont even need the winny since i'm already very cut, i stay cut even on test cycle, comments ? )
5. never had any estro probs and nolva/proviron expensive if i dont need. also, i cant find any HCG at reasonable price anywhere except internet, and everyone said that's a big no-no..... 6. never had any probs post cycle other than losing the size. i eat healthy and take 3 scoops of protein every night after gym. also i have no clomid yet, but shouldnt need it for another 3 months and my buddy swears he'll have it by then... b
by the way thank you very much for your guys opinions... big props

 

[Stryker1992]

Adive:

1. Stay the fuck out of jail
2. Lifte regularly
3. Get a cycle in order that is not ment for a guy 3x your size.

500 a week would be plenty, there is no need for the winny and 25 mg's of d-bol a day is enough for you.

 

[help4john]

1) More is not better in this case. Keep it at 500mg or lower...save the remainder for the next cycle.
2) Yes...drop to 30mg (MAX) total spread throughout the day...all week vs. 5/2...six of one half dozen of the other.
3) Yes it does!
4) "On the way" .... goes along with "Check's in the mail" (is joke). You're not prone to bloat...good for you.
5) You may have not had estrogen problems in the past...but you may be begging for it with this stack. With Nolva/Proviron you're buying peace of mind in the event something happens during cycle. I have NEVER gone without Nolva during PCT. As far as HCG is concerned, if you end up having problems with your boys, you will wish to spend a little extra dough. Research the internet. Those that say it's a "no-go" are full of shit (IMHO).
6) Proper PCT prevents extensive loss....man, ya' gotta do some research on this .... PLEASE! Improper PCT has a way of biting you in the ass (learned from my mistakes). Have a couple of shake throughout the day to spread the protein out. This makes for better absorption and utilization by the body. I have also had "Buddy's" .... some have come thru and some have not. You WILL want Clomid with this stack.

Good luck!

PS: Another point that I want to make is that you won't turn into Arnold overnight! Slow and steady growth over the years is the only way to ensure success. Too big, too fast is just begging for problems!

 

[help4john]

Adive:

1. Stay the fuck out of jail
2. Lifte regularly
3. Get a cycle in order that is not ment for a guy 3x your size.

500 a week would be plenty, there is no need for the winny and 25 mg's of d-bol a day is enough for you.

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First of get your training dialed in. Meaning a standard lifting regimine. Most don't like to hear that, but if you train, eat, and sleep like crap, you'll look like crap. As far as the gear usage goes:

500mg test 1 - 12
25 mg dbol 1 - 4

Pct: (Because you have no hcg, I will suggest this)
20mg Nolva starting 10.5 days after Test Enan, 12 days after last Test cyp (you didn't say witch one you'd use.
clomid schedule: start clomid same day you start Nolva: d1 (300mg) d2 - d11 (100mg ed) d12 - d21 (50mg ed)

Please get ALL your supplies including pct, before you cycle. You should also have some nolva on hand while you cycle so you can use during, should you experience gyno. It is very easy using a test/dbol cycle to get.

 

[LVTitan]

yes, thank you, i have so far decided to go with a 12 week test cycle of enth, already started last week by the way,
what do you think of :
1. 1-12 test enth 500mg/week
2. 1-5 dbol 30mg/day
3. 6-10 deca 400mg/week
4.11-15 winny tabs 40mg/day
the deca/winny coming tomorrow good source (pricey though)
what do you think of the liquid ancillaries i have seen advertised in this forum, good buy for PCT ? do you think i should skip the winny also ?

 

[The Terminator]

Without trying to sound like a jerk here, but you are ONLY 130 lbs...
At that weight you are NOWHERE near ready for gear...

Get your diet and training in line first.
Stick around, read up on the diet and training boards and in a few years you will be ready for anabolics again...
If you have multiple cycles already and are still that size then some aspect of your regimen is obviously lacking

 

[LVTitan]

Without trying to sound like a jerk here, but you are ONLY 130 lbs...
At that weight you are NOWHERE near ready for gear...

Get your diet and training in line first.
Stick around, read up on the diet and training boards and in a few years you will be ready for anabolics again...
If you have multiple cycles already and are still that size then some aspect of your regimen is obviously lacking

no offense taken but i dieted/slept/worked out religiously until a few years ago and NEVER got above 118 lbs. im 5 7" and i'll be 30 this month but look 18. the thing is the first cycle got me over the plateau to 140. although the last year i have been really slacking a lot of personal shit. i have to eat 3000 cals a day to keep from losing weight w/my metabolism. also the few cycles i did i think i did wrong with no research. taper up/down, no pct etc... i am back at the gym for good now and ready to hit it hard and put some weight on.....

 

[ProtienFiend]

eat more

 

[The Terminator]

no offense taken but i dieted/slept/worked out religiously until a few years ago and NEVER got above 118 lbs. im 5 7" and i'll be 30 this month but look 18. the thing is the first cycle got me over the plateau to 140. although the last year i have been really slacking a lot of personal shit. i have to eat 3000 cals a day to keep from losing weight w/my metabolism. also the few cycles i did i think i did wrong with no research. taper up/down, no pct etc... i am back at the gym for good now and ready to hit it hard and put some weight on.....

Trust me, I KNOW what its like to be the classic ectomorph....
I dont think ANYONE here has a faster metabolism...I would put it against anybody here

You probably just need more calories and more rest...
When you are thin like that you HAVE to force yourself to eat more (and dirty eating even at that size), you are pretty much free game for anything as far as food goes )

 

[DIVISION]

Without trying to sound like a jerk here, but you are ONLY 130 lbs...
At that weight you are NOWHERE near ready for gear...

Get your diet and training in line first.
Stick around, read up on the diet and training boards and in a few years you will be ready for anabolics again...
If you have multiple cycles already and are still that size then some aspect of your regimen is obviously lacking

Termie, has a fuckin' point, here.

I think you need to change up your strategy and re-think starting AAS at this point. Right now I think you need to find your natural potential and it ain't 130fuckinglbs!

Hope this helps.


DIV

 

[LVTitan]

Termie, has a fuckin' point, here.

I think you need to change up your strategy and re-think starting AAS at this point. Right now I think you need to find your natural potential and it ain't 130fuckinglbs!

Hope this helps.


DIV

uhhh maybe you havent read it all above, but my natural plateau was around 120 lbs...i worked out /ate /slept right for about 5 years and even at 120 i didnt look anorexic, i was cut like a mother fucker, just couldnt get bigger.
aas got me to where i could keep 130-135lbs all year. i am not out of shape by any means, i get my 8 hours, i hit the iron 5 days a week sometimes 6 and eat UNGODLY amounts of whatever i can put in my mouth. i've already started my program i just wanted info to fine tune it nawmean?

 

[theoak01]

fuck people told me I wasnt ready for gear and I was alot bigger then you

fucking eat man,I know when your getting started 2500cals seems like alot,but its fuck all when you are bulking,so get your ass off this board and over to the diet board and learn to grow through food/training

 

[NoWork]

post your diet.

 

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Without trying to sound like a jerk here, but you are ONLY 130 lbs...
At that weight you are NOWHERE near ready for gear...

Get your diet and training in line first.
Stick around, read up on the diet and training boards and in a few years you will be ready for anabolics again...
If you have multiple cycles already and are still that size then some aspect of your regimen is obviously lacking

I agree with you Term, but so many guys choose to take the gear route prematurely. You will not change their mind. That's why I gave the advice that I did. When a diet is looked back upon, it is often seen that it is lacking in protein and calories. For hard gainers I mean.

 

[ProtienFiend]

uhhh maybe you havent read it all above, but my natural plateau was around 120 lbs...i worked out /ate /slept right for about 5 years and even at 120 i didnt look anorexic, i was cut like a mother fucker, just couldnt get bigger.
aas got me to where i could keep 130-135lbs all year. i am not out of shape by any means, i get my 8 hours, i hit the iron 5 days a week sometimes 6 and eat UNGODLY amounts of whatever i can put in my mouth. i've already started my program i just wanted info to fine tune it nawmean?

Maybe you have intestinal worms.... either that or you're not eating enough

 

[Stryker1992]

Look man, you are small, you want to get big, you know what is best for you. Get a good cycle in order, lift and eat well. Get BIG!

These guys all give good advice but I have known guys that just cannot gain without juice.

 

[DIVISION]

uhhh maybe you havent read it all above, but my natural plateau was around 120 lbs...i worked out /ate /slept right for about 5 years and even at 120 i didnt look anorexic, i was cut like a mother fucker, just couldnt get bigger.
aas got me to where i could keep 130-135lbs all year. i am not out of shape by any means, i get my 8 hours, i hit the iron 5 days a week sometimes 6 and eat UNGODLY amounts of whatever i can put in my mouth. i've already started my program i just wanted info to fine tune it nawmean?

Ok, you're a hardgainer........

Still, I think you need to exhaust all other strategies before flossin' with the sauce!!!

130lbs is not your natural potential........eat more, lift more, you'll grow.....

C'mon bro, just listen to reason, here.


DIV

 

[NoWork]

Juice does not put on weight! Calories do!

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

I knew a guy almost the exact same size as this guy that asked me for advice on how to lift and get bigger. I asked him first how much he ate. his repsonse "Oh I eat a ton man, I'm always hungry", and I'm thinking YA, you look hungry. Finally I get him to tell me what he typically eats. "Oh I eat a mcdonalds egg sandwhich in the morning with a cup of coffee. I don't eat lunch. At home I have salad or pasta usually." No wonder this guy can't gain any weight. Even at his size he's underfeeding himself. If you don't eat enough ,then the best training, the best steroids, and the best supplements aren't gonna do anything for you. I haven't taken AAS yet, but I can tell you that you don't eat enough. I've put on 38lbs in a year naturally albeit some of it was fat, and even put on 31lbs in 5 months after boot camp because I was underweight. Anyone that says they can't gain weight no matter what doesn't know how to eat. Here's a tip. Start drinking a gallon of 2% milk a day. Just do that. If all you did was add that everyday to what you normally eat I guarantee you'd break +150lbs naturally without drugs. Also, add in 2 50 gram whey protein shakes everyday with the milk and you will gain.

 

[The Terminator]

Ok, you're a hardgainer........

Still, I think you need to exhaust all other strategies before flossin' with the sauce!!!

130lbs is not your natural potential........eat more, lift more, you'll grow.....

C'mon bro, just listen to reason, here.


DIV

NOBODY here is more of a hardgainer than I am...So I KNOW where he is coming from...
But someone mentioned he was getting 2500 calories a day??? THAT would be THE reason for lack of growth...I have to get in ATLEAST 5000 a day just to MAINTAIN 175-180 lbs (and this guy probably need atlaeast the same too)

A FULL dietary breakdown written in a log for the next 3 days straight would pinpoint the problem (with complete macronutrient breakdown, and times consumed, portion size, etc....would pinpoint the problem )

 

[LVTitan]

fuck people told me I wasnt ready for gear and I was alot bigger then you

fucking eat man,I know when your getting started 2500cals seems like alot,but its fuck all when you are bulking,so get your ass off this board and over to the diet board and learn to grow through food/training

yes i know i could eat more, and fully plan to, but i eat like 5/6 times a day when i can, i work 10 hours a day construction and still eat 3 times a day at work... i eat lots of everything including some sodas and fast food, but i make big sandwiches, protein/whole milk in morning and after work, and 3 scoops protein/whole milk everynight, with multi vitamins. home cooked meals every night steak/chicken/pork.lots of meat, lots of steamed veggies and tons of filler foods(ramen, fast food etc...) i had my foot ripped off in motorcycle accident few years (reattached thank god for modern surgery) and when i was layed up i lost lots of weight, i had to take like 4000 cal day to get back where i am today.. i may have been under when i said only 2500 day lately...its a lot, and never wait till im hungry to eat.. i force myself to eat...
maybe i'm feeding a worm, it's possible !! maybe i should get a good colon cleansing so my body absorbs the food correctly , anyone heard of that ?
thx for all the info guys.

 

[NoWork]

i guess some of you dont read all before talking shyte eh? this is my 4th cycle..i know how to diet bro...im as big as my body will let me get.

There is no correlation between # of cycles and knowledge of diet. If you want help, post what you eat in a day.

 

[LVTitan]

There is no correlation between # of cycles and knowledge of diet. If you want help, post what you eat in a day.

i edited the post bro, not a shit talker sorry...listen i'm already on cycle and going to finish...i will definitely up my intake though !!! but yes i have always been a hard gainer. my dad was an amateur bb'er many years ago all natural, so i grew up knowing how to eat. and he was a hard gainer too, never was over 180lbs and he's 6 foot. but he was aways ripped.

 

[The Terminator]

and when i was layed up i lost lots of weight, i had to take like 4000 cal day to get back where i am today.. i may have been under when i said only 2500 day lately...its a lot, and never wait till im hungry to eat.. i force myself to eat...
maybe i'm feeding a worm, it's possible !! maybe i should get a good colon cleansing so my body absorbs the food correctly , anyone heard of that ?
thx for all the info guys.

If you are ONLY getting around 2500 calrories a day, then THAT IS your problem...You need to eat TWICE that much. ALL the gear in the world wont help you grow without enough fuel for your body (FOOD)

You need to shoot for more like 5000 calories a DAY, not 2500

 

[LVTitan]

If you are ONLY getting around 2500 calrories a day, then THAT IS your problem...You need to eat TWICE that much. ALL the gear in the world wont help you grow without enough fuel for your body (FOOD)

You need to shoot for more like 5000 calories a DAY, not 2500

if you dont mind me asking, what do you eat on a typical day to get all your calories/protein etc.... some sample diets may really help me to see if i'm anywhere near where i need to be...
thx

 

[The Terminator]

if you dont mind me asking, what do you eat on a typical day to get all your calories/protein etc.... some sample diets may really help me to see if i'm anywhere near where i need to be...
thx

I have possibly THE DIRTIEST diet of the 75,000+ members on here
I just make sure I get 200-250 grams of protein a day, and EVERYTHING else is basically fair game for me...
I eat pizza, ice cream, donuts, cakes, sodas, anything I want really...
The catch is not eating TOO much per meal...6-8 small meals a day.

And this is what I look like so take my advice for what you think its worth...

 

[NoWork]

The addition of a gallon of milk was a good idea. Some other things can include adding 2 TBSP's olive oil to each one of your meals. All natural peanut butter. Go through a jar a day. Look for calorie dense foods and inhale them.

Make a shake: some whole milk, peanut butter and protein makes for calorie dense tasty drink. Drink this a few times a day including once in the middle of the night.

 

[LVTitan]

The addition of a gallon of milk was a good idea. Some other things can include adding 2 TBSP's olive oil to each one of your meals. All natural peanut butter. Go through a jar a day. Look for calorie dense foods and inhale them.

Make a shake: some whole milk, peanut butter and protein makes for calorie dense tasty drink. Drink this a few times a day including once in the middle of the night.

i do drink a lot of milk, though a gallon lasts me closer to 5 days.. whole milk i cant stand 2per.... i eat shit food too and can get away with it hehe

 

[LVTitan]

where's good place to order those carb drinks , they're like 1000 calories a bottle, i see em at the gym by the case, but prices are outrageous....
also i scratched the winny from the cycle, im on second week and changed it to :
1-10 test e 500mg/ first week was 750
1-4 dbol 40mg/day shitty dbol, so back up to 4
3-10 deca 300mg/week
nolva/clomid pct....havent decided yet on HCG, have no source anyway on that...