smacker fat burner opposed to Vaspro

[sydney22]

I invested in a bottle of ephedrine HCL Vaspro, and I have been using 1 pill, 2x a day before my workouts with 200mg of caffiene each time. And honestly, aside from a little surge of energy, I don't feel/notice any other difference. God knows my diet has been near perfect and I have been working out atleast 10x a week.

Someone informed me even though this didn't work for me, herbal ephedra may help. So I am going to buy the original smacker fat burner with 25mg of ephedra in each capsule. Do you guys recommend to take 1 25mg cap 2x daily or break them up to take 12.5 mg like every 4 hours? Does anyone have any good/bad experiences with this product? Is it reliable? Any information would be appreciated, including a place to buy it a little cheaper, because right now I am planning to get 100 caps for $65.

Thanks.

 

[mm107]

Ive tried the Vasapro Epehdrine, w/ Caffein stack, Little change in my alertness/energy.

then i picked up some fat burners with herbal epherdra and other ingredients and lets say it kicked vasapros ephedrine's ass. Fuck the chemcial, even tho its supposed to be accurately dosed, meanwhile the herb is just a give or take, i still get/feel better from the herbal ephedra.

below is what was in it....


Caffeine 200mg per serving - Pure pharmaceutical grade caffeine is used instead of the weaker guarana or green tea to release free fatty acids from stored fat. When combined or stacked with aspirin it creates a synergistic effect.

Citrus Aurantium 250mg per serving - Metabolic Fuel RX contains a high amount of citrus Aurantium which contains Synephrine, N-Methyl Tyramine, Tyramine, Hordenine, and Octopine. These agents are B3 fat receptor fighting agents which are crucial for maximum fat loss.

Coleus Forskohlii 100mg per serving - Coleus Forskohlii increases natural thyroid function, important for long term fat loss. Dieting slows down the thyroids activity, which makes it difficult to continue to lose fat over an extended period of time. A sluggish thyroid is also the reason people rebound and regain their fat after dieting. Coleus Forskhlii works well because it counteracts the age-related decrease in response of fat cells to thermogenic agents (heat producing and calorie burning) agents.

Aspirin 100mg per serving - When added to caffeine it adds in creating the ultimate thermogenic environment through synergy.

Bioperine 5mg per serving - Thermogenic nutrient included in the formula that increases the absorption of all the fat burning compounds in Metabolic Fuel RX. Bioperine increases effectiveness and potency.

Yohimbine HCL 5 mg per serving - For those of you that have trouble losing fat in problem ares such as love handles, hips, thighs, and gluteus, Yohimbine HCL block all three Alpha fat receptors categories. Women will benefit greater from Yohimbine HCL than men since they tend to posses more A2 fat receptors. By blocking A2 fat receptors you will burn fat in hips, gluteus and thighs, creating a slim waistline.

 

[sydney22]

Thank you for your reply, that was very helpful. I ordered a bottle of Smacker fat burner, chosing it over Stacker which I also found easily, because Smacker has Hoodia. Smacker contains:
25mg ephedra
200mg caffeine from Kola Nut
105mg White Willow Extract
Vitamin B5
Hoodia Extract

Do you think I should stack this with something else, like Coleus Forskohlii and/or Yohimbine HCL?

Thanks for your input.

 

[sydney22]

Ooh, and I JUST realized I posted this in the wrong section...sorry.

 

[alex2678]

The only fat burner I've ever taken was Lipokinetix, which has been gone for years. But two of the ingredients, aside from the ephedrine/caffeine, were Yohimbine HCl and 3,5-diiodo-l-thyronine. TRx by Performance Bio Labs makes that seperately. (Google it to find a source) Better at supporting thyroid function than Coleus.

And of course diet and cardio are your overall best fat burners...Had to throw that in there.

 

[sydney22]

Did Lipokinetix work for you? What were the dosages of the two you mentioned per serving in Lipokinetix?

Is it safe to stack more with my already made stack?

 

[alex2678]

Lipo was the only supplement that ever worked for me. I was down to my lowest (for me) of 6-7 % bodyfat at the time. I'm guessing a lot of it had to do with the sodium usniate, which is no longer available anywhere that I know of. But the the yohimbine HCl and 3,5-diiodo-l-thyronine were good additions. For yohimine the usual dose is .2mg/kg of bodyweight. (10-20 mgs a day was in Lipo. Can't remember for sure) The 3,5-diiodo-l-thyronine was 200-400 mcg. per day spread out.

 

[sydney22]

Do you think stacking ...

25mg ephedra
200mg caffeine from Kola Nut
105mg White Willow Extract
Vitamin B5
Hoodia Extract
Yohimbine HCL
TRx
Bioperine
Citrus Aurantium

is a good idea? do you think only like 15mg of yohimbine daily would yield any good results? I'm only about 140 lb.

 

[Assertive Guy]

Do you think stacking ...

25mg ephedra
200mg caffeine from Kola Nut
105mg White Willow Extract
Vitamin B5
Hoodia Extract
Yohimbine HCL
TRx
Bioperine
Citrus Aurantium

is a good idea? do you think only like 15mg of yohimbine daily would yield any good results? I'm only about 140 lb.

When I take ephedrine hcl, I *never* take less than 50mg each serving. Try doubling your current ephedrine intake. You should take 50mg 3*per day with the caffiene (ephedrine stops working after 4-6hrs). The ephedrine (form what I've learnt AND experienced), wont kick in for 20-45 mins after taking. Some studies have caffiene taking up to an hour to be fully circulating in your system.

Also, the other ingredient in the Vasopro, can act as a muscle relaxant, so see if you can get pure ephedrine from here (some of which can convert into speed in your system):

http://www.dnepharm.com/cgi-bin/dnestore/B10082782.html

Good luck.

 

[alex2678]

Do you think stacking ...

25mg ephedra
200mg caffeine from Kola Nut
105mg White Willow Extract
Vitamin B5
Hoodia Extract
Yohimbine HCL
TRx
Bioperine
Citrus Aurantium

is a good idea? do you think only like 15mg of yohimbine daily would yield any good results? I'm only about 140 lb.

Looks good. I've spoken to a few people who used the hoodia extract and noticed no appetite suppression at all, but if it's already in the product your using then go ahead and keep using it. (As long as you're not being ripped off with price) It would probably be cheaper to buy ephedrine/mahaung capsules and caffeine tablets along with the yohimbine and TRx. But if you find it easier to take an "all in one" product then that's fine as well....And 15mgs of yohimbine should be plenty for a 140lb female.

 

[sydney22]

Thanks guys.

Hmmm, maybe thats why I never felt anything with the ephedrine. I am cycling off it right now so I can take my new product when it arrives, whenever that may be, I ordered like a 1/2 week ago and haven't gotten a shipping e-mail and am now worried. I still have some Vaspro left, if I never use it again, I am definately going to use more at a time...

And yeah, my product already comes with the hoodia so we'll see what happens. At the moment my appetite isn't a problem, but I wanted it there just in case my urge to binge gets stronger while I'm on vacation or something.

Since I'm not the typical size for someone taking supps, how much ephedra do you guys think I should take each time and how many times a day? I was thinking 25mg 2x a day, once before each of my workouts. But maybe I should add one in between considering I would be taking it around 5 AM then 3-4:30 PM? I always wake up at 5 AM, aside from Saturday and Sunday, and usually go to sleep between 9-12, depending on if I work or not.

 

[alex2678]

Once in a while I'll work out with a female trainer from my gym who's 5'5 130lbs. and she seems to have no problem with 25 mgs. ephedrine 200mgs. caffeine 3x a day. If you feel jittery and can't fall asleep you could either cut it back or make sure you don't take it before bedtime.

 

[sydney22]

Hmmm...

The pills I am getting have 25mg in each, but they say you can break them in half. Should I ramp up? And should I ramp up by taking lower dosages but at the same times, or ramp down how many times I take them a day? Maybe I could do something like 25mg before my workout at 5 AM, 12.5mg around 11 AM, and 25mg around 4 PM, before my second workout? Do you think something like that would work?

 

[alex2678]

You could do that. To get the "synergistic" effects of ephedrine and caffeine it should be at a 1:10 ratio, so if you cut your ephedrine in half you'll have to take it with half the amount of caffeine (100mgs.) Ephedrine usually lasts only 3-4 hours in your bloodstream. If it doesn't make you too shakey, I'd take it 25mgs. ephedrine and 200 mgs. caffeine at 5am, 11am, and 4 pm along with your yohimbine and TRx. If it keeps you awake, you could always take some Benadryl before bedtime. Which is probably good for your beta receptors anyways. Keeps the fat burning effects from wearing off.

 

[sydney22]

You could do that. To get the "synergistic" effects of ephedrine and caffeine it should be at a 1:10 ratio, so if you cut your ephedrine in half you'll have to take it with half the amount of caffeine (100mgs.) Ephedrine usually lasts only 3-4 hours in your bloodstream. If it doesn't make you too shakey, I'd take it 25mgs. ephedrine and 200 mgs. caffeine at 5am, 11am, and 4 pm along with your yohimbine and TRx. If it keeps you awake, you could always take some Benadryl before bedtime. Which is probably good for your beta receptors anyways. Keeps the fat burning effects from wearing off.

Alright...so 3x a day it is. Should I ramp up then tapper off, or do one or the other or just jump right in and cut it all off? Also, since I all be cycling on and off, do I have to ramp/taper or one or the other every time or just the initial time? Also, how much TRx should I take each dose?

 

[alex2678]

I'd just start off at 3 a day right away, never found any benefit with cycling ephedrine. And the Benadryl works to upregulate your receptors so if you take that before bedtime each night you really can stay on the ephedrine for a longer period of time and still get a fat burning effect. TRx I'd just take one 3x a day with the rest of the supplements. If you want to be cautious, you can take one the first day, see how you feel, then increase it the following two days. You shouldn't feel much different though.

 

[Assertive Guy]

Alright...so 3x a day it is. Should I ramp up then tapper off, or do one or the other or just jump right in and cut it all off? Also, since I all be cycling on and off, do I have to ramp/taper or one or the other every time or just the initial time? Also, how much TRx should I take each dose?

With the ECA you dont have to taper. Again, I would only take 50mg each dose of the ephedrine. Any less doesn't cut it for me.

 

[sydney22]

Thanks for all the help... but remember, I am going to give ephedra a try instead of ephedrine...I assume none of the advice changes???

One stupid question though...how do I know if the ephedra is helping me lose weight?

 

[Mr_Sinister]

IMO that looks like alot to take in a single day and proceed cautiously when you have Y and E in tandem. E being a beta agonist will work to release epinephrine and norepinephrine quite well, couple that with Y (alpha 2 antagonist) which temporarily blocks off blood vessel dilation and sedation...could lead you to arrythmia, dizziness, blood pressure issues until the drugs clear your system. I think a better way to do it would be to take E for a cycle then when you no longer get jittery, drop it and switch to Y for a cycle and keep repeating the process.

 

[sydney22]

Alright, thank you for that other prespective. It does seem like I am stacking a bit much, but we'll see how much my body can handle. Right now I am worried about ephedra 25mg 3x a day being too much, but I'll see how I feel. Also, is the benedryl at night safe? and how about taking the TRx with everything?

 

[mm107]

IMO that looks like alot to take in a single day and proceed cautiously when you have Y and E in tandem. E being a beta agonist will work to release epinephrine and norepinephrine quite well, couple that with Y (alpha 2 antagonist) which temporarily blocks off blood vessel dilation and sedation...could lead you to arrythmia, dizziness, blood pressure issues until the drugs clear your system. I think a better way to do it would be to take E for a cycle then when you no longer get jittery, drop it and switch to Y for a cycle and keep repeating the process.

my premade stack has Yohimbe in it as well, I do get lightheaded/dizzy, wonder if that could be it. Even if it is i wont stop! lol j/k

 

[alex2678]

Alright, thank you for that other prespective. It does seem like I am stacking a bit much, but we'll see how much my body can handle. Right now I am worried about ephedra 25mg 3x a day being too much, but I'll see how I feel. Also, is the benedryl at night safe? and how about taking the TRx with everything?

If you've never taken any of these supplements, it's probably a good idea to start off with one dose a day, see how you feel and then increase from there. Maybe start with just the ECA then add the yohimbe, then the TRx after a few days. Everyone reacts differently. Ephedra/Mahaung has other phytochemicals within the herb aside from ephedrine that actually help stabilize blood pressure once it clears the body. I've heard a few people say they got lightheaded from yohimbe and others who felt no effect, so you might want to start with a small amount with that as well. Remember with all these stimulants, your only increasing your metabolic rate at around 10%, so if they don't react well with you, diet and cardio will probably get you to your goal just as fast. The supplements are just good additions that help preserve muscle tissue and increase fat oxidation.

 

[Mr_Sinister]

also try adding b-vitamins niacin and riboflavin. The body uses these to make cofactors (NAD and FAD) which assist in metabolism. Theoretically metabolic processes slow down because there are not enough cofactors to carry electrons and then you have backup of metabolites which end up getting stored or backed up until more cofactors show up. This is in theory, in reality not really sure how much fat/carbs you have to dump into mitochondria to cause slowdown. In any event a bottle of B-vitamins cost 2-4 dollars so you really have nothing to lose.

 

[sydney22]

I am going to start slow, and just take the ECA stack at first, which should arrive on the 8th. Then maybe a little later I'll add in some stuff, I also have some yohimburn that I still have to use. Speaking of which, how can I use it more effectively?

But back to the Ephedra, alex2678, its not that I don't trust you, but I'd like to know if anyone else thinks I should take less than 75mg a day of ephedra?? I'm a little scared of taking that much. Do you or anyone else have other suggestions or know what are common doeses for someone my size. About 5'9" and 140lb?

Mr Sinister, I take GNCs Ultra Mega Woman or some shit like that, do you think that has enough B vitamins in it or should I maybe take a B-complex too?

 

[alex2678]

Start off slow, with ECA one a day and then increase it...(You can trust me. LOL) Here's one of the many studies showing ephedra's safety of up to 90 mgs. a day as long as you don't have pre-existing health problems:

http://www.nutraingredients.com/news/ng.asp?id=35259-another-us-study

Another link:

http://www.winltdusa.com/about/infocenter/healthnews/articles/ephedra.htm

 

[alex2678]

And at 5'9 140 lbs. your already in good shape as it is. (I imagine your looking to gain muscle and lose some bodyfat otherwise you wouldn't be on this site though.LOL) You can get into great shape in 8-12 weeks without taking anything at all if the supplements scare you or don't agree with you. Diet,cardio and some coffee are really all you need for someone like yourself to get great results.

 

[sydney22]

I do trust you to an extent, otherwise I wouldn't be asking you for more information. Thanks for the links too.

Honestly, I feel like such an imposter on this site...I used to belong to a forum I'd rather not name, which believed in absolute clean dieting, no riods, barely anything but protein and a multi. I followed their advice and dropped quite some weight and gained a lot of muslce for me. (its hard for me to gain muslce without a significant amount of protein) Anyways, I stopped, binged a lot, gained a lot of weight, and now don't really want to go down that same road. So its like I kinda feel like I belong here because I know some of my shit, but I don't want to get involved. At the minute I just want to run my ass off, preserve as much muscle as I can, while losing as much weight as I can. I hope that doesn't change your mind about helping me. I really appreciate a place to go to ask questions where people actually have educated answers. Thank you.

 

[alex2678]

Honestly, I feel like such an imposter on this site...I hope that doesn't change your mind about helping me. I really appreciate a place to go to ask questions where people actually have educated answers. Thank you.

You'll never be an imposter on this site. As long as you have questions, I and most everyone on here, are more than happy to help you out and give you answers. There's really no better feeling for me to get asked a question at the gym, give suggestions and watch the person achieve their goals. Just a personal thing I guess. Anyways, hope the links helped you out and feel free to ask as many questions as you like.

 

[Mr_Sinister]

i couldn't agree more w/alex. We wouldn't be here if we didn't care. Also regarding your question, personally i take 1-2 b-vitamin pills before i workout, i've never heard of anyone having interactions from going above the rda recommendation. I also notice i get amped up and nervous after taking it nearly like ephedrine jitters, but that's probably just me.

 

[sydney22]

i couldn't agree more w/alex. We wouldn't be here if we didn't care. Also regarding your question, personally i take 1-2 b-vitamin pills before i workout, i've never heard of anyone having interactions from going above the rda recommendation. I also notice i get amped up and nervous after taking it nearly like ephedrine jitters, but that's probably just me.

How many mg of each is that? In my multi I have 80mg of B-2, 35mg of Niacin, 80mg of B-6, 400mg of Folic acid, 80mg of B-12, and 300mg of Biotin. Those dosages are spread out to twice a day. The ECA stack I am going to take also contains vitmin B-5. What do you say?

 

[sydney22]

PS- thank you guys sooo much for all your support and help, I really appreciate it!

 

[Assertive Guy]

How many mg of each is that? In my multi I have 80mg of B-2, 35mg of Niacin, 80mg of B-6, 400mg of Folic acid, 80mg of B-12, and 300mg of Biotin. Those dosages are spread out to twice a day. The ECA stack I am going to take also contains vitmin B-5. What do you say?

In the UK allot of places sell B100's - which is just that 100mg of each B vitamin. You can take more of some B's than others, so if your thinking of going allot higher, I'd do more research.

 

[Mr_Sinister]

actually the doses that you have in your multi already exceed RDA. I would just take my multi in the morning, and the other dose before workout. That should cover it.

 

[sydney22]

Usually I take my multis with breakfast, after my workout, and at dinner, after my second workout...not that effective for what you're saying, huh?

 

[Mr_Sinister]

i usually take before workout w/coffee instead of E or Y since I haven't bothered to buy any. anyways i figure you may as well supply your energy systems with extra raw material to help it mobilize fats and carbs when you need it most.