side affects

[M.O.D]

every day several new threads pop up with people complaining about their kidneys,liver ect ect....and it seems everyone of those posts the user is on orals and big doses of d-bol and other crap like that...i dont mean to sound like a dick but what the fuck do you expect???...you couldnt pay me to take that shit...been there and done that years ago and learned my lesson the hard way.....

just say no to orals

 

[M.O.D]

and to boot you guys are taking shit made in labs you know ZIP about....you have no idea what is really in some of this shit....stick with quality injects or legit anavar or winstrol....just my opinion

 

[M.O.D]

i guess nobody wants to hear about the potential bad shit ,just how big will i get.....

 

[Igor33]

i'll bump it for you, becasue you do have a point. Although, I really do think that people (including myself) should know what to expect from orals mainly d-bol... I just think they should be prepared by using the proper supplement to help their liver out. Not just start getting scared when shit starts happening.. Preventive measures are much better to take than ones to try to reverse the already made damage

 

[M.O.D]

what can i say , hell its not my body and im not going to waste time preaching to young bucks who wont listen ....but when i read guys on this board eating d-bol like they are mm's i just shake my head in amazement

 

[MikeyLikesJuice]

i hear mod, I don't see the point in some of the doses at all, it seems to be a waste not to mention hard on ones liver

 

[M.O.D]

i think a lot of newbies using gear dont understand its a long process that includes hard training and proper diet....instead they think more is better and want to get big overnight..until one day they get so fucked up from over dosing and using the wrong shit that they end up in such poor health or dead...

 

[Stangman99]

im all for growing off the least amount of gear as possible. i dont see the point of some of these huge doses of orals. but hey, do what ya want, its your body

 

[M.O.D]

yep..they may see big gains (water) and strength but later down the road they will wish they didnt mess with high doses of orals....

listen to the old guys who have been there

 

[PimpnAintEasy]

I hear what you're saying, but Class II AS, which I feel can play an important role in stacking dynamics, are primarily orals. Using Dbol, Winny, & Oxandrolone in reasonable dosages for reasonable lengths of time has never caused me any problems, and I think a lot of guys will tell you the same.

The idea is to follow reasonable usage guidelines, otherwise, it doesn't matter if you're talking orals or injectables, you're gonna have problems.

 

[gurupimp6969]

First off bump for M.O.D. but I have a question not a flame. You can say that you don't know what are in orals and but then again no one knows what is in injectables or tylenol or anything so you can't necassarily say that you don't know what is in the orals because you don't know what is in the injectables neither? I don't know if this makes any sense but my point is, is that you are right dumbass new people to the board here the great gains of the pros and mods and think that oh shit they did it why can't I and bOOm they buy the shit and think all it is, is eating pills and lifting weights and getting big. So I give props to the pros. Newbies need to learn to read and do searches on this shit so they know what they are doing. anyways Bump

 

[M.O.D]

i agree with you its not only orals but everything..this board has some great guys with lots of knowledge but it also has a shit load of people who have no busniess using gear....

good health to you


M.O.D

 

[GaryWary]

Shit! I really better get off this board and do some work......

But, yes MOD you are right I guesss....

When I trained in gyms a few years back - people talked about a roid cycle being successful if they gained a years worth of muscle (say 10lbs) in 2 months....

250mg a week of sust was considered a good beginners dose (now its 500mg).....

Now many people look to gain that in a week or two........ it seems.

 

[Evildee]

MOD you are right in what you are saying....The newbie juicers want to get big overnight and will take obscene amounts of d-bol or other orals not considering the side effects or long term effects....But thats what this board is for...The people who want to learn about gear and be knowledgeable about what they are putting into thier bodies...I applaued the people who DO reasearch before they stick themselves or start taking pills, for the people that don't...fuck em'...If you do it right you can yield some great results with minimul sides...bump

 

[M.O.D]

i have done a boat load of cycles and you DO NOT grow over night and newbies think all they have to do is take more....sure you will gain weight fast but most of it will be water making you look like a bloated pig and then when you go off you lose most of your gains and strength.....gaining "quality hard muscle" is a long process that includes mostly of diet, cardio, rest and gear....also you need to find the right cycle that your body will respond to in a positive way not a pimple bloat way.....after 20+ years of juicing i finally found what works for me......


quality not quanity

 

[da big thinker]

a big bump for MOD...some of the doseages on this board are way too high...no need for that!even if it takes a lil' longer to accomplish ones goals,isn't better to go this way,than to try and hurry the process,increasing your chances of negative sides???
i have a microbiologist friend,who checks out my gear b4 i actually stick it in me...just some reassurance on my part...so far the "gear" experience has been an amazing ride...!as it should be!peace

 

[supersonica]

bump for this good info. people need to know that less can be more in the long run.

 

[Evildee]

Like MOD said before(I think it was MOD) newbies read the cycles that some of the vets have done and jump right in taking 40mgs of d-bol or some sick amount of gear without taking into consideration the possible effects . When your body is introduced to such a high level of gear right away, something is bound to happen...i.e. liver or kidney problems....Bottom line is to research before you do anything