Shoulder is on its way out

[bigyin1314]

Was working shoulders last fri, behind neck press, thought I did it with good form. Then sunday I was working my back, was doing Pullovers, when my shoulder started hurting a lot!!.... havent trained since sunday, missed a chest/tri workout yesterday. Have been reading a lot of the archive threads. Have found quite a few that say that behind neck press and pullovers are not good for the shoulder.... is this true?

Should I ditch working the front delt? It does get a lot of action from the DB Bench Presses, or should I carry on with them??

 

[d3track]

why not do millitaries to the front?

 

[cwick0]

1. how deep to you go on military's, the bar shouldnt go past the tops of your ears. I stop when my arms are 90 degrees to the floor. You can always do them in front too.

2. why would you stop working your front delt?

 

[psilo]

Is it true that on front military the bar shouldn't go past your ears? I've always brought it all the way down and touched my upper chest. Never had any problems....

 

[eat big]

Is it true that on front military the bar shouldn't go past your ears? I've always brought it all the way down and touched my upper chest. Never had any problems....

same here man, they work well too, i wouldnt see any reason to take the risk of getting hurt and doing them behind the neck

 

[cwick0]

Is it true that on front military the bar shouldn't go past your ears? I've always brought it all the way down and touched my upper chest. Never had any problems....

Front militaries should come down between your nose and mouth. I know it sounds a little odd, but just try it. There is no need to touch your chest, this can place unwanted stress on your rotator cuffs.

 

[Tom Treutlein]

Really, cwick? I'll make sure to try that.

 

[bigyin1314]

fair enough, I'll give front militarys a shot an see how I fair, cheers guys

 

[cwick0]

Really, cwick? I'll make sure to try that.

Yes sir. I stole this one from one of my buddies here at school about 2 years ago. I cant discredit him, at the time he was 220 and repping 365 on incline, flat, and decline barbell. He probably had some of the best definition i have ever seen. Plus think about the angle if you lower the bar to the front of your shoulders. I would think that would put excess pressure on the front delt. Whereas if you lower the bar between your nose and mouth, then the weight is directly over your shoulders. Try them and see what you think, then let me know.
wick

 

[Tom Treutlein]

Will do.

 

[psilo]

Yes sir. I stole this one from one of my buddies here at school about 2 years ago. I cant discredit him, at the time he was 220 and repping 365 on incline, flat, and decline barbell. He probably had some of the best definition i have ever seen. Plus think about the angle if you lower the bar to the front of your shoulders. I would think that would put excess pressure on the front delt. Whereas if you lower the bar between your nose and mouth, then the weight is directly over your shoulders. Try them and see what you think, then let me know.
wick

Makes sense to me now that I think about it. My sticking point was always right in front of my face, so if there really is added stress on the rotators, I think I'll change to the limited range of motion from now on.

 

[big4life]

Front militaries should come down between your nose and mouth. I know it sounds a little odd, but just try it. There is no need to touch your chest, this can place unwanted stress on your rotator cuffs.

Yep, cwick is right. I've been through two shoulder surgeries, and there is no need to touch your chest. Your shoulders will appreciate it, and you will too if it keeps you out of surgery.

 

[cwick0]

Yep, cwick is right. I've been through two shoulder surgeries, and there is no need to touch your chest. Your shoulders will appreciate it, and you will too if it keeps you out of surgery.

I watched a couple of guys last night, they brought it all the way down to their chest. I was more curious than anything else, so i could watch how the weight actually was lowered and how much stress was placed on their front delts. Hence a lot of shoulders are torn up from this style of military presses.

I did my usual behind the head, actually touch the base of my crown area of my head, with arms at a 90 degree angle to the floor and i was perfectly fine. However, if i would go all the way to the back of my neck, i would for sure blow my shoulders out.

 

[curgeo]

Stay away from anything behind the neck. It places undue stress on the shoulder complex and the benifits do not outweigh the costs of hurting yourself.

Pullover done with a stiff arm hurt my shoulder when I was younger. I can't do them 'till this day.

It's also true that you don't have to go down to your chest on military's. Your range will be sufficient for growth without causing stress on the rotators........as long as you do them in the front.