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Should we march into Syria???
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bigschweeler
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Why Syria?
Why not North Korea? Sure we're scheduled for talks with them, but they're planning on processing fuel rods that could produce five to six nuclear weapons. I see working through that issue as our number one priority post-Iraq. Plus we are already tied up in Iraq with rebuilding. We can't exactly leave Iraq and focus our energies on Syria as that would belie the stated objectives of the Iraqi war.
Why not North Korea? Sure we're scheduled for talks with them, but they're planning on processing fuel rods that could produce five to six nuclear weapons. I see working through that issue as our number one priority post-Iraq. Plus we are already tied up in Iraq with rebuilding. We can't exactly leave Iraq and focus our energies on Syria as that would belie the stated objectives of the Iraqi war.
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Frackal
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No.... the ME is already pretty distablized as it is...we should use our force their to pressure them into meeting our demands however..that's hopefully as far as we're going to take it.
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the nature boy
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jwill3:16 said:
maybe so, it's not against international to have WMD.
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Frackal
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I think he's kidding.... "Oh, well shit guys, we didnt find any WMD in Iraq...that's because...that's because...HE TOOK THEM TO SYRIA! Yes!"
bigschweeler
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manny78 said:
Is that a joke?
bigschweeler
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manny78 said:
So by that rationale the entire country and government are responsible for some terrorists being from Saudi Arabia?
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HANSEL said:
Why not?
Then what do we do after Syria? Iran? North Korea? Do we have the resources to accomplish this? Then once we topple the government, what next?
Should we hang around and ensure that the new governments are pro-USA?
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ariolanine
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bigschweeler said:
Saudi, Syria, Iran, North Korea, Cuba, then we take a break and let the dust settle.
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HANSEL said:
Would the USA ever have the resources to accomplish this? I have no doubt that down the road, once we leave Iraq, there will continue to be terrorists in the country, that it is very possible that the new government would support them, and then where are we left? What did the war really accomplish?
We would have to maintain a presence in all of the countries to gaurd against the new regimes developing into similar or worse threats.
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ariolanine said:
While the new governments become increasingly hostile to the USA?
Testosterone boy
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For the past few decades, we have only invaded countries where the leader use to enjoy close ties, even friendships, with previous or current administrations.
I can not recall ever having a close relationship with the president of Syria.
I can not recall ever having a close relationship with the president of Syria.
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bigschweeler said:
WE have and have always had troops stationed all over the world so I guess we could set up and police these places from within. But I do see your point, if majority of the people living in these countries are anti US, the problem wont go away. But places like IRAN, these younger generations of intellectuals realize their regime is allowing them to be past up by the rest of the world and dont like it. If people got a taste of freedom and democracy I dont think they would be as hostile.
The Almighty
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No...Syria is no threat to us (although its not like Iraq was either).
I agree with Manny, invade Saudi Arabia.
I agree with Manny, invade Saudi Arabia.
bigschweeler
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HANSEL said:
True we could have bases in those countries and have troops permanently there, however this could foster even more anti-American sentiment.
I would certainly hope that if they truly had a taste of freedom the hostility would die down, but I don't see it happening.
What I would like to see happen is the Bush administration push for a resolution to the Palestinian crisis, and work diplomatically to resolve the North Korean nuclear threat.
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bigschweeler said:
That's fine. I don't care if the whole world hates us. USA vs. Planet Earth is fine by me.
the nature boy
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IMO, the only way to stop terrorism is to spread democracy. The current government in Saudi Arabia are pretty much a bunch of crooks. But they're our buddies. However, they need to go.
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ariolanine said:
If the whole world hates us, then there will be continued, and progressively worse terrorism.
Now if that's the case what did our multiple wars accomplish?
Under this scenario we would constantly be at war. We would quell one threat, then another would pop up, then we would have to quell that one. Then after a time the original first threat (say Iraq) would pop back up again and we'd be there.
It's easy to play "Risk" with the world, however the practical application of such a strategy would be a disaster.
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bigschweeler said:
I think the Bush Doctrine of "you are either with us or against us" works just fine. If you join us you get properity, it you attack us you die. Na, I don't know man. You're probably right. I'm just kinda in a fuck the whole world mood today.
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Frackal
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The Almighty said:
I'd have to research this more to say it definitively, but from what I know now, I agree too.
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ariolanine said:
Oh boy
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ariolanine
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Frackal said:
Kidding mmk.
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DcupSheepNipples
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It does not matter if we should or should not! The plan is set in stone! Short of Russia going nuclear on the US it is unstoppable! What? you think the Sheeple are going to stop it? lol enjoy your slaughter!
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ariolanine said:
I am filled with contempt when posters back up and explain that they were "just kidding." That only works on chat boards with naive people.
If one is kidding, they should explain that immediately or expect to be taken seriously.
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DcupSheepNipples said:
It is perfectly clear that our administration is bent on Syria but all things are subject to change.
What if most of the world joined the EEC, ten new members yesterday, and said "we are against your imperialism"? We might score a military victory but we are economically vulnerable and the American public psyche has recently proven itself to be weak.
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Testosterone boy said:
You're right. My burn.
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Frackal said:
We know that Saudi Arabia is the principal sponsor of terrorism. I keep asking myself why they are so filled with hatred. I have been pushed to the point of terrorism myself and realize that anger that evolves into murder usually had extreme provocation.
I'm not saying that we are innocent, just asking why they are so mad at us. Extreme anger usually needs provocation.
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Testosterone boy said:
Invade a country with no oil?
That's crazy talk.
Not even a major pipeline route.
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Testosterone boy said:
Again only Russia! Nukes are power in this world! Anyone short of Russia would cause a disaster, but america would survive and they would be gone from the face of the earth! Russia and the US go at it, Civilization would be destroyed! Man would survive in small pockets, but Civilization would never be the same! But all in the GNWO game have the same goal! Total control of the GNWO!The US is only in the lead! No matter what all the Sheeple will lose and even the people such as myself do to! Unless the Sheeple wake up, enjoy the show!
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DcupSheepNipples said:
How in the hell are the sheeple going to wake up? Guys like Frackal have educated themselves and try to share it with all the effectiveness of pissing into the wind.
We have been taught that doubting our government is not only unpatriotic, it is ungodlike and downright ant- establishment.
If groups like the posters at Elite can't wake up then we have no chance.
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Testosterone boy said:
That is why I have purchased "Future" real estate deeds on Mars! I'm always one step ahead of the GNWO!
bigschweeler
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Testosterone boy said:
I thought that if you had an opinion other than the current conservative one you were automatically a communist.
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bigschweeler said:
Another way of putting it.
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bigschweeler said:
Try and keep up. Now you're automatically a terrorist.
Invading Syria or Saudi Arabia would be foreign policy disaster. It would also be logistically improbable at this time. Our armed services are spread far to thin right now. Despite what many of you think, we are fighting on two fronts; Afghanistan and Iraq. The war is not over in either. The Taliban are reorganizing in Afghanistan and the Iraqi people are showing descent.
Attacking an other middle east nation would cause severe and definite political reprisal. I predict that many European nations would deny our access to their airspace. As well as any other middle eastern nations would not allow us to use their airspace or territories for staging purposes.
Regarding Iran and North Korea; both are well equipped to defend themselves; North Korea being the strongest. Both nations are far more homogenous than Iraq or Afghanistan and have a stronger sense of national propriety and vindication.
Research the Korean War. You will find the determination of the Korean forces to be admirable. Asian nations have a strong sense of national identity unlike, Iraq which has far to many distinct and conflicting ethnic groups. Propriety is a key factor in the ability of the government, military and civilian populations to fight off invading forces
Attacking an other middle east nation would cause severe and definite political reprisal. I predict that many European nations would deny our access to their airspace. As well as any other middle eastern nations would not allow us to use their airspace or territories for staging purposes.
Regarding Iran and North Korea; both are well equipped to defend themselves; North Korea being the strongest. Both nations are far more homogenous than Iraq or Afghanistan and have a stronger sense of national propriety and vindication.
Research the Korean War. You will find the determination of the Korean forces to be admirable. Asian nations have a strong sense of national identity unlike, Iraq which has far to many distinct and conflicting ethnic groups. Propriety is a key factor in the ability of the government, military and civilian populations to fight off invading forces
Testosterone boy
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Re: Re: Should we march into Syria???
Von Rumsfeld begs to differ.
perkele said:
Von Rumsfeld begs to differ.
the nature boy
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also to add to Mr?, the iraqi's were pretty much worn out after the beating they took in 1991 and after all the sanctions. I mean literally worn out. The saudi's are still technically our allies, at least the government is anyway. Plus they are the biggest purchaser of US weapons..... I think it was 300B per year. When you buy that much weaponry to the folks who helped finance Dubya's election run (defense contractors), the commander and "chef" is going to look the other way at what happens behind the scenes in Saudi.
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DcupSheepNipples
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Again it's all set in stone! Remember there were no plans pre 911! Wrong! You can't invade Afghanistan, Iraq, because of this and that etc etc! Wrong again! Short of Russia going nuclear it's going to happen along with the others in the plan!
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DcupSheepNipples said:
I know they want Syria and Iran but what is the hurry? Those countries are not going anywhere.
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Testosterone boy said:
If regime change happens in the US, then the plans will be stalled and the plan makers may not live that long! I doubt the plans will survive without them!
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DcupSheepNipples said:
Right....and I believe that history favors an administration actively involved in a "short" war.
What else do they want other than Syria and Iran?
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I will skip all the "medium" guys such as N. Korea for now! China is the head cheese for the regmine change! But it is 10-20 years off! The new Little Dark Horse is Cuba! If you have been following Castro during the war with Iraq he is back to his real self again! His decade of fake "Mr. Nice dictator" are over! A little regime change in Cuba would do wonders to the Cuban American voting block in florida, not to mention the rest of the Sheeple voters! Besides Cuba is on the list of terrorist states and has WMD or did the Sheeple forget about that to?
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DcupSheepNipples said:
This will not do at all, I have to know about the "medium" guys. You are alluding to global hegemony it would seem.
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DcupSheepNipples said:
We need to have a candid conversation in a wide open field...I want to know if you really know something above and beyond what is accessible by civilian means.
Where do the instrumentals behind this derive their power?
What is their goal?
The method is control your mind because weapons-based oppressions never last?
They must have immense power to force supernations like America into doing their bidding. Where does it come from?
I need to know what you know if you know anything I don't know!
DcupSheepNipples said:
North Korea is hardly "medium." They could easily obliterate our forces located along the DMZ. They have the technology and man power to easily defend against a foreign envision. I can imagine a 70% casualty loss if we were to attack North Korea.
Now, on to China. We will never attack China; unless there was an initial attack on their part. Attacking China would be suicide and lead to a nuclear holocaust. A preemptive attack is ludicrous. The casualty loss would exceed acceptable proportions.
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Frackal said:
My speculation is;
'They' = oil and defense businesses with Israeli roots.
What do you think of that?
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Frackal
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I'd go bigger.... Dynastic families and world bankers
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Frackal
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But if the WTC was engineered by more than a couple camel yokels in caves than I'd say those groups were very likely involved. There is a reasonable amount of evidence linking Israel to this... among other things, security for all hijacked airports was run by the same firm, a Jewish firm...just something that came to mind, there is alot more.
If you ever watch the movie JFK by Oliver Stone... and you remember the days after 9/11, you may see some parallels in the way that Black Operation unfolded and the way 9/11 unfolded...
I still wonder why people don't question the fact that these supposed Islamic extremists who were going to die for the 70 virgins were drinking at a strip club a few nights before hittting the WTC
If you ever watch the movie JFK by Oliver Stone... and you remember the days after 9/11, you may see some parallels in the way that Black Operation unfolded and the way 9/11 unfolded...
I still wonder why people don't question the fact that these supposed Islamic extremists who were going to die for the 70 virgins were drinking at a strip club a few nights before hittting the WTC
p0ink
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Frackal said:
further destabalize the middle east? that's like saying you're going to go 'mess up' the junkyard.
i thought the 'arab streets' were going to go absolute ape shit when we invaded iraq. i thought there were going to be daily terrorist attacks against america as retribution. where are they?
sure, there were some protests and some some stupid muslim clerics saying, 'death to america', but what else is new?
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bigschweeler said:
saddam's 'army' was the largest and most powerful of any arab country. taking over any of those other countries (military), would be a cake walk.
and yes, we should install government that fir our interests. i know our record for doing so may not be the best, but i doubt it could get much worse than what it is now.
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and relax people, we arent going to be going into syria anytime soon.
bush is up for re-election, and he doesnt not want to be nation building in 3 different countries.
if we go into syria, it will most likely be after the election.
however, it could be sooner, since we have all of our troops and supplies there....syria already feels the temperature going up several degrees, so it might be wise for them to comply.
if i was a betting man, i would put my money on after bush gets re-elected.
bush is up for re-election, and he doesnt not want to be nation building in 3 different countries.
if we go into syria, it will most likely be after the election.
however, it could be sooner, since we have all of our troops and supplies there....syria already feels the temperature going up several degrees, so it might be wise for them to comply.
if i was a betting man, i would put my money on after bush gets re-elected.
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p0ink said:
True, but I think that our goals may be accomplished with simple pressure, maintained by our sure to come permanent bases in Iraq... that is preferable to another invasion...despite that this went off well, I do not think it is ever wise to excessively polarize world opinion against us, if unnecessary...
In terms of WMD....there is alot of doubletalk going on...they are saying
"Well we don't know where they are in Iraq, we need to question the scientists. "
"We know Syria is harbouring all of saddam's WMDs! He packed them into the back of his truck and our satelites just missed that! They drove right past our border troops too!"
I'm not buying it.
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p0ink said:
It is absolutely terrible to say the least. Now why is that???
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p0ink said:
Yes, also the weather factor..
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p0ink said:
what does this mean? the only way to stop radical islam is through democracy.
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MR.? said:
North Korea is a medium player! But they are only pawns of China! Combined they are a force to be reckoned with! However they do not have total destructive power as Russia does as of now! Soon with their continued espionage and increased arsenal it will be a probable mutual destruction decision, but US defenses will have a short window to maintain an edge in the GNWO! The final conflict will come to a head in the year 2023 as of now! Passing the "Shield", the new dark project "Space Shield" will have the capabilities to stop the mutual destruction scenario! Now before the final showdown, N. Korea and Taiwan will be the Minnie Conflicts that will be used for China and the US to probe each other’s strengths and weakness!
As far as defeating N. Korea it is simple as twenty minutes! Again all options are now available and are on the table! But this scenario dose not follow the sequence of effects in the "Plan" The problem with the Sheeple is that they refer to knowledge and history that they think they know or are fed! Seeing the world in what they believe to be a "Rational” mind is a mistake! Besides when you are not getting the whole story/info or Intel, are one of the few genius visionaries, have seen the future or understand mankind's and mother natures formula your believes and knowledge are flawed!
Most of the battles in the previous centuries are not rational to their core! But to the formulas they are! Only a few can ever come close to predicting what the next outcome will be! Even with set in stone decisions like the "Plan" mistakes are made from inside or by outside sources/forces! One document, one assination, one death, one rouge agent, one terrorist, one virus either natural or electronic, one natural disaster, one asteroid, can open a Pandora's box that was not expected! It then may be overcome or it may even destroy plans and go as far as a total failure!
The only true known solution to future events is for the information to be imbedded in the Sheeples minds! But each day that becomes less of a reality ten fold! Time is running out! Mind you all of this does not apply to any drastic changes of the Bubble Universe, dimensions, or any unfortunate Quantum Vortex! Obviously if one of those things are affected all bets are off!
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Frackal said:
Weather is always a factor as of now! Each day the ability to harness and control the weather are becoming a reality! By default man has inadvertly controlled some parts of the weather as of now! Passing Bio, DNA, Nano, Artificial Intellegience weapons, weather related weapons will be used in great scale on the battle field near the end of this century!
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Frackal said:
Remember what I said earlier! The weapons exist but they will never be found in the qauntaties that were implied! Again Saddam had the ability to test vast quanties of his Bio/Chem weapons on his population! These are to valuable not to be snatched up! The US does not have the "Guts" to test it's weapons at such a grand scale on it's own population anymore! Hopefully the plans will work, because to fail will result in many scientists and weapons getting out of the hands of the US! Even the "Great Snatch" of WW2 was not a total success!
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Frackal said:
Wide open field as in a physical field, that could be possible! But as far as an open communication field no! I have answered you questions previously frack, as best I could! But by far even though you don't know it all, you are by far one of the only few that are formulating the "Grand Picture" And I would go far as to say, without the ability to have all the info/intel you are far superior than 99.9% of those that do!
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Testosterone boy said:
Hopefully evough of those in the know will become roag and will work together! Small numbers will be silenced immediatly! Those such as Frackel are valuable, because they create a "Seed" in the Sheeple that at least they will look at or hear, even if it is alien speak to them! Now if just one visonary genius such as Einstein's can break through then things will change drasticly! Throughout history great visionaries are discreted at first so not to rock the boat for those that hold the power! When the tide changes it can happen in a blink of and eye on the time line! Otherwise for the Sheeple to rise up it may take thousands of years or it may never happen!
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