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LOL! @ those quotes
Should Tookie Williams be executed?
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Saintinistic
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I put NO, but only because the question was
In answering the thread question, YES, execute him.
And anyway, what is the point of a life fully lived in jail? May as well kill him and save tax dollars.
In this I say NO, dont give him the time of day.
In answering the thread question, YES, execute him.
And anyway, what is the point of a life fully lived in jail? May as well kill him and save tax dollars.
For certain grades and circumstances of offenses, yes. For the most heinous and dispicable of crimes and offenses, however, there warrants the removal of the offender from humanity. Because the offender has ripped so much humanity from so many innocent people. You would not argue the death penalty for serial killers, so why not gang bangers? Both kill multiple victims.gjohnson5 said:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/12/11/williams.execution.ap/index.html
Awesome. The Supreme Court just rejected his plea. Chances are Arnold will probably follow suit.
Awesome. The Supreme Court just rejected his plea. Chances are Arnold will probably follow suit.
Sean Scott
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11 1/2 hours I cant wait...
milo hobgoblin said:
Totally agree.....do you think Tookie would be writing books on the corner of his hood in his 64 impala if he didn't get caught ??? NO, he would still be slinging rocks and doing driveby or whatever it would take for him to make $$$...thats as real as it gets....just because he did all these things while at San Quentin, doesn't justify him to live out his life in prison..
Heck, I still think Charles Manson should be executed for the orders he put out on the Tates....
Its always made out to be a Black Against White Thing.... former Phoenix Suns/76er, Charles Barkley said it right "i don't believe in Death Row, i believe in DEATH WEEK "..kill em all, an execution every week to show these criminals
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YAY!!!!!
Warms my heart inside.
Warms my heart inside.
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http://vnunl.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/terminator.jpg75th said:
Clemency Terminated. Hasta La Vista.
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It's official....Execution scheduled for midnight tonight!
Lethal injection protocols vary from state to state.
Typically the prisoner is strapped to a gurney (which is a wheeled hospital style trolley bed) or a fixed execution table rather like an operating theatre table by leather or webbing straps over the body and legs.
Their bare arms are strapped to boards projecting from the sides of the gurney. Trained technicians then insert a 14 gauge catheter (the largest commercially available needle) into a vein in each arm, a process that sounds much simpler than it often is. Once the catheters are in place, they are flushed with 10ml of a Heperin solution, to prevent clots forming inside the catheter, then a 1000 ml bag of saline solution is connected to the catheter ends and the prisoner is either wheeled into the execution chamber or the curtains surrounding it are drawn back to allow the witnesses to see the procedure. When the condemned person has made any final statement, the prison warden gives the signal for the execution to begin and the technician(s), hidden from view behind a two way mirror, begins to manually inject the three chemicals comprising typically 15 - 50 cc of Sodium thiopental, 15 - 50 cc of Pavulon (the generic name for Pancuronium bromide) and 15 - 50 cc of Potassium chloride. There is a short interval between each chemical during which saline solution is injected to clean the IV line and prevent any chemical reaction which could block it. Typically the actual injections will take from three to five minutes to complete.
All the chemicals used in America are standard medical drugs. Sodium thiopental is a short acting barbiturate which is used widely as an anaesthetic and causes unconsciousness very quickly if injected into a vein. Pavulon is a muscle relaxant that paralyses the diaphragm and thus arrests breathing whilst Potassium chloride finishes the job by causing cardiac arrest. It is used in cardiac surgery to stop the heart.
In most cases the prisoner is unconscious about a minute after the Sodium thiopental has been injected and is dead in around eight minutes, with no obvious signs of physical suffering. In October 2003 concerns have surfaced in American appeal courts about the use of Pancuronium bromide, which due to its paralysing effects could mask a prisoner’s suffering if they have not been rendered fully unconscious by the initial injection of Sodium thiopental.
In some states a fully automated lethal injection machine is used that runs off a 12 volt battery. It injects the chemicals in the right order and amount once the catheters are in place. This considerably assists matters and avoids the problems of mixing of the chemicals which can lead to a reaction causing precipitation which makes them impossible to inject.
The machine has six syringes activated by mechanical plungers. Three syringes hold the lethal drugs, the other three contain harmless saline solution. Two buttons control the machine, one for the lethal syringes and one for the identical looking harmless ones.
The two executioners each press a button, and the syringes release the drugs into the IV line.
Typically the prisoner is strapped to a gurney (which is a wheeled hospital style trolley bed) or a fixed execution table rather like an operating theatre table by leather or webbing straps over the body and legs.
Their bare arms are strapped to boards projecting from the sides of the gurney. Trained technicians then insert a 14 gauge catheter (the largest commercially available needle) into a vein in each arm, a process that sounds much simpler than it often is. Once the catheters are in place, they are flushed with 10ml of a Heperin solution, to prevent clots forming inside the catheter, then a 1000 ml bag of saline solution is connected to the catheter ends and the prisoner is either wheeled into the execution chamber or the curtains surrounding it are drawn back to allow the witnesses to see the procedure. When the condemned person has made any final statement, the prison warden gives the signal for the execution to begin and the technician(s), hidden from view behind a two way mirror, begins to manually inject the three chemicals comprising typically 15 - 50 cc of Sodium thiopental, 15 - 50 cc of Pavulon (the generic name for Pancuronium bromide) and 15 - 50 cc of Potassium chloride. There is a short interval between each chemical during which saline solution is injected to clean the IV line and prevent any chemical reaction which could block it. Typically the actual injections will take from three to five minutes to complete.
All the chemicals used in America are standard medical drugs. Sodium thiopental is a short acting barbiturate which is used widely as an anaesthetic and causes unconsciousness very quickly if injected into a vein. Pavulon is a muscle relaxant that paralyses the diaphragm and thus arrests breathing whilst Potassium chloride finishes the job by causing cardiac arrest. It is used in cardiac surgery to stop the heart.
In most cases the prisoner is unconscious about a minute after the Sodium thiopental has been injected and is dead in around eight minutes, with no obvious signs of physical suffering. In October 2003 concerns have surfaced in American appeal courts about the use of Pancuronium bromide, which due to its paralysing effects could mask a prisoner’s suffering if they have not been rendered fully unconscious by the initial injection of Sodium thiopental.
In some states a fully automated lethal injection machine is used that runs off a 12 volt battery. It injects the chemicals in the right order and amount once the catheters are in place. This considerably assists matters and avoids the problems of mixing of the chemicals which can lead to a reaction causing precipitation which makes them impossible to inject.
The machine has six syringes activated by mechanical plungers. Three syringes hold the lethal drugs, the other three contain harmless saline solution. Two buttons control the machine, one for the lethal syringes and one for the identical looking harmless ones.
The two executioners each press a button, and the syringes release the drugs into the IV line.
The answer is simple, he killed four people and has been living on our tax dollars for 24 years awaiting punishment, kiddie books or not, let the mutherfucker swing........
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75th i must say this is the most poorly worded poll of all ef time...i voted yes to the execution, but yes on your clever poll is yes for clemency. so actually death should be in the lead
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75th said:
lol yeah i guess you didn't...chesty this poll sucks
Its not a black/white issue...he killed and its time for him to be killed. Eye for an eye just like the Romans. I'd be a man of peace myself after being locked up for 24 yrs and find "god" or reform...but you know what i haven't killed anyone...
First victim, gunned down and face down on the floor, 1st victim...then bragged about the noises the vic made when he was shot dead..hmmm
the other 3 lost their lives over $120....
First victim, gunned down and face down on the floor, 1st victim...then bragged about the noises the vic made when he was shot dead..hmmm
the other 3 lost their lives over $120....
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bluepeter said:
Added irritants are:
The hollywood crowd
That he founded the crips, which has been a criminal group wreaking havoc on communities for decades
Island Son
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i just saw some pics on cnn
they can get steroids in prison????
they can get steroids in prison????
biteme said:
They already made one about him called "Redemption".
I for one am on the fence on this one. Don't know enough about the case details. If even some of the claims from his websites are true, he deserves a shot at life in prison. If not, kill him.
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Island Son said:i just saw some pics on cnn
they can get steroids in prison????
He was a big dude. Prison food is OK if you have the right connections.
CrayonOfDoom2
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If you wear a WWJD bracelet or any of that shit ....think about it....
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criminals have said that it does deter them. Just as studies in Florida yielded results that criminals avoid robbing establishments where the proprietor is known to be armed. That is avoiding capital punishment on an individual level, without the state being involved.gjohnson5 said:
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'But gang experts dispute Williams' claims to have founded the Crips and say he has little influence over teens. Los Angeles Police Chief Bill Bratton has said that few gang members had likely heard of Williams before press coverage of his execution.AristotleBC said:
Williams has said he now regrets his role in the Crips but has refused to debrief authorities on the gang, saying that doing so would brand him a "snitch."'
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Saintinistic
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Whether or not the Death penalty deters crime or not is beside the main point that it ensures that wankers cant rape or murder again.
Trying to repair these extremely defective people through is a waste of time.
If its broken, bury it.
Trying to repair these extremely defective people through is a waste of time.
If its broken, bury it.
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CrayonOfDoom2 said:
A pointless and a straw man argument there bud. If you really knew anything about what Jesus taught or what his deciple Paul wrote (2/3s of the new testament), then you would know that both taught that you must obey the government laws. Jesus said that God has his laws and so does the government, remember, "do unto to Ceasar what is do to him.." Remember when he told the tax collector to go draw a line and the first fish he caught would have the gold coin and to give that coin to Ceasar? (he gave that example when pointing out that we must not break human laws, and not break God's laws either) . Paul also wrote that we must obey the rules and law of the land. So, if our elected government decides to stick him with the needle, then the boy is gonna meet his maker.
I'm really sick of people trying to use the "Turn the other cheek" argument just because you heard that once in Sunday school when you were 5.
Besides, if Tookie, the cold blooded killer, was truly sorry, sorry for the sins he has committed in this world, and truly repentant for his sins, WOULDN'T HE HAVE JUST ADMITTED THE CRIME AND ASKED FOR FORGIVENESS?? And why would he give the witness' such a cold blood stair right before he died?
Heck, if it was me, I'd tell the world that I was sorry for what I have done, and that I have made peace with Jesus and I deserve what was about to happen. If he would have confessed this publicly years ago and tried to help the authorities, he wouldn't have been terminated! He died as a thug. he got was he deserved. I can't ultimately judge his heart, only God has the providence to do that, but from his actions, I doubt he was truly sorry for what he did.
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I do not think clemency should require an admission of guilt. For one thing, a convicted person is not necessarily guilty. We have many examples of convicted death row occupants who as it turned out really were not guilty. Requiring them to admit guilt as a prerequistie for clemency is absurd. If a man is not guilty, dignity and justice demand that he be allowed to maintain his claim of innocence.sparetire said:
In Tookie's case it sure looks like he did it.
Only saying that the demand that the convicted "admit guilt" is absurd.
Besides that, I can easily see how if an innocent man admitted guilt in an effort to avoid the death penalty, the opposition would then say "Well, he 'admitted that he did it' didn't he? Of course he should be executed." Strikes me as a bona fide Catch-22.
Saintinistic
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If he had truly "found" god, then why should he have been worried about dying in the first place. True believers shouldnt have a problem with dying.
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