Should schools be able to paddle students?

[plifter]

I say no way. I got it once when I was a sophomore in high school. Damn, that bastard principal hit me hard as hell 6 times. I had bruises for several weeks.
I read an article about this from conservative "christians" who believe in that spare the rod bullshit. I think paddling should be considered sexual abuse. I'm convinced the principal that whipped me had to go whack off afterwards. It's even more ridiculous on the high school level.
By the way, I was paddled for fighting. The principal first lectured me about how violence doesn't solve anything.

 

[AGENT SHAGWELL]

nope...
cuz then you could lead into possible sexual harrasment cases....won't happen

 

[TheSalami]

teachers are just white trash losers with no ambition at all. if one of those scumbags ever touched me or my kids i would beat the shit out of him. they arent qualified to punish anybody.

 

[WODIN]

What profession do you respect Salami? Madbomber is a teacher by the way..

 

[AGENT SHAGWELL]

teachers are just white trash losers with no ambition at all.

woah....thats a harsh statement. I had some really great teachers in my life, also some crappy ones, but I'd never say that about them.

 

[theoak01]

im not saying this just because im a kid but this would lead to big fights in high school,i can see teachers getting knocked the fuck out if this happened,plus spanking your kid when they are smaller to develop the sense of right and wrong is ok but once kids know the difference they should not be hit anymore

 

[TheSalami]

just cause you had a good teacher doesnt mean he isnt stupid white trash without ambition. any retard can be a teacher. it doesnt take much education or work. i respect people who take risks and work hard.

 

[BackDoc]

It's the parents job to physically discipline children if they choose to. Schools should just give out detention and suspensions. School should be seen as a privilege not as boot camp. If the kids can't behave then maybe they should be sent to military school. Too many people (teachers) might take out frustrations on a kid with a paddle without any repercussions. If my kid misbehaves he'll get whipped at home.

 

[HumanShell]

As far as I'm concerned, a teacher has no reason to touch a student in a violent manner. This was tested my Junior year of HS when one of my friends and I got in a heated argument about a topic, not "violent" towards each other, while walking down the hall. We were using curse words, and a teacher heard us. The teacher came up from behind and grabbed my shoulder hard, to turn me around, while saying "HEY" and as a reaction I shoved him hard as soon as I felt it. Needless to say, he wanted me expelled and sent to our alternative school. I was sent home that day. The next day, my family attorney met with the Principal, SA, and some other people concerning what had taken place. Needless to say, by the end of the meeting they had come to the conclusion that I would receive no punishment, and my classes that I missed from being sent home could not count any missed work against me. I had 1 week to make up any missed assignments.

 

[runner]

it seems barbaric....but maybe that's what today's kids need.

i believe it's still done in places here in texas.

 

[AGENT SHAGWELL]

just cause you had a good teacher doesnt mean he isnt stupid white trash without ambition. any retard can be a teacher. it doesnt take much education or work. i respect people who take risks and work hard.

Oh...no way. Some teachers bust their ass, and for that little ass salary, and take alot of shit. Risks??!! Does having to risk a kid pulling a gun out on you count?

Salami...I gather you are married and have kids?

Regarding this topic though: I dont' have any kids, but when I do I would go BALISTIC if any person layed a hand on my child. Only me and my husband have that right. I don't care if your my sister, mom, teacher, whoever, I will decided on the physical punishment admistered to my kid.

Sa

 

[TheSalami]

they deserve very low pay because anyone can do their job. its very easy and they get lots of time off. dont let the bastards fool you, they arent busting their asses at all. also the risk of a kid pulling a gun is no greater than anyone elses. i hardly think it should be built into their salary. let them just do their little job and dont yell or touch the kids who actually have potential.

 

[Y_lifter]

There's a Hell of a lot worse things you can do to a kid as punishment than a paddling.
In the late 70's in Jr High, we got paddled by the coach's and it was no big deal.

Now, having to clean bathrooms after school or paint walls or sit totally silent for 2 hours in detention? That was painfull...

There are just too many whacko's out there that would abuse the power of physical punishment for me to risk allowing my child to be hit.

Even worse than paddling are those ding-dongs that tape mouth's shut or lock them in a closet.

It's real If the kid is disrupting the class or, kick his out of there.

 

[danielson]

my school used to have a pecking order of sorts. if the younger pupils fucked about, the older ones would take care of them, nothing serious but enough to shut them up. consequently all the weenies that cam into the school thinking they were the most fly 13yr olds in jnr high ( ) had lost that when they left. they had plenty of opportunity to hit the in school and ourt of school on cadet training etc.

then my school made some descision to completely crack down on bullying and form an studetn council of abti-bullies and crack down on the bullies themselves. now my school (ive left ) is terrible, weve had nobel prize winners come out of there, students used to be able to cover classes as there was so much respect commanded, last year 1/3 of the teaching staff (the best ones who had been there a while) left.

 

[Imnotdutch]

Just out of interest what do teachers make in the USA?

How does having a Bachelor degree compare with having a Ph.D in terms of pay?

In the UK, newly qualified teachers can make as much as somebody who just got a science Ph.D and works in academia.

 

[HappyScrappy]

schools should NOT be able to paddle students. that's just fucked up - it defies physics.
I do think that the teachers and administration should be able to beat the shit out of the little pricks though.

 

[Y_lifter]

Teacher pay in the US? Can you say dirt?
Starting in the low to mid 30's depending on which state/county.
Mostly Administrators have PHd's.

 

[The_Ghost]

I agree it is the parents who should or shouldn't spank their children and for the record I believe that it is ok for a parent to do it. It was done to me when I was a little fucking terror and I deserved it. It didn't cause me any problems growing up.

No other person has the right to touch a child of any age. It reminds me of when a hockey coach tried to punish me physically, my step dad looked him in the eye and said "we both know the boy has a big mouth and is in the wrong, but anything you give to him, I give you back 10 fold"

Now as for teachers it is unfortunate how they are treated today, they give a lot to kids without a big return, they are way underpaid if you ask me. They need something cause it can be scary out there for them, but paddling isn't the answer, wish I knew what was. I couldn't do that job, I would lose it and throw the fuckers out the window!!

 

[spkzx9r]

I agree with most of you on this topic. I do believe it is the parents duty to spank their child if that's the punishment they see fit to give them, not a teachers.

Salami on the other hand, you are wacked on this one, I agree w/ Agent. Teachers do a valuable service and are underpaid. Think about it w/ out them there would be a large part of society that in uneducated, which in turn would make all those convieniences in life you obviously
take for granted. Oh, and how high is your education and where did you get it from?

 

[TheSalami]

Salami on the other hand, you are wacked on this one, I agree w/ Agent. Teachers do a valuable service and are underpaid. Think about it w/ out them there would be a large part of society that in uneducated, which in turn would make all those convieniences in life you obviously
take for granted. Oh, and how high is your education and where did you get it from?

and without waste disposal people we would be living in garbage. im not saying what they are doing isnt important but you dont get paid based on the importance of your work. teachers deserve low pay because they are doing a job that anybody can do. education is important but at the lower levels it can be provided by morons with teachers edition text books. i do have more respect for college professors who are involved in other businesses and are required to publish their work.

 

[Imnotdutch]

If only you knew how much bullshit is published because it is a requirement of the job......

and without waste disposal people we would be living in garbage. im not saying what they are doing isnt important but you dont get paid based on the importance of your work. teachers deserve low pay because they are doing a job that anybody can do. education is important but at the lower levels it can be provided by morons with teachers edition text books. i do have more respect for college professors who are involved in other businesses and are required to publish their work.

 

[TheSalami]

i know its a lot of bullshit but at least they are forced to do something not like high school teachers who have nothing to do. its really not the publishing i respect so much as their other business ventures they are involved in. most of my professors enjoy talking about some of the stuff they do or have done and i like to know they have real value in the business world.

 

[AGENT SHAGWELL]

I think trying to get teenage hormone inraged, living in today's fucked up society, to study or learn something....is a VERY hard feat. I wouldn't have to patience to do that. Nor could you pay me enough to teach middle school kids.

 

[Imnotdutch]

Salami,
Well then you make a good point. In doing business they are putting the theory into practice. That must be good right? Some people would say that this prevents them from being good teachers though.....I can name quite a few University lecturers who are terrible at lecturing but the money they bring in ensures that they have a job.

I'm not sure that teaching is so easy if you want to do it well. Sure if you just want to go in say your bit and just hope that the students get it then it could be seen as easy. As you say, anybody can read a textbook and repeat what it says. But a good teacher is worth their weight in gold.....unfortunately if you dont pay some people alot then they wont see the need to perform well. Also, the people who have the knowledge to make good teachers will leave to work elsewhere if you dont pay them competitively. Alot of countries are beginning to realise this and are improving the wages.....

 

[MR.?]

I understand the concern for obediance in schools. A strict uniformed conduct code is necessary to enforce and protect a productive learning environment. However, physically punishing students should never be used as a deterent or used to maintain obediance. Physical punishment will only create resentment and animosity between the students, faculty and staff.
Expulsion, suspension and other forms of punishment are more effective when dealing with the misbehavior of students.

Only parents have the responsibility and burden of properly punishing their children. School administrators have no authority to untilze physical force when punishing a student.

 

[TheSalami]

i dont think you really need teachers to do anything beyond explaining whats in the text. then test them on it to make sure they learn. then its up to the parents if they are satisfied with the grades. if people want to give their kids an edge then they can send them to a private school. i dont think tax dollars need to be wasted on higher paid teachers at this point.

 

[HumorMe]

Salami

I have been lurking here for a couple of months but recently registered. I have read your responses on a lot of different topics. This one has hit a nerve with me! Why are you so bitter in life? Everything you say is negative. Teachers taught you everything you needed to know about how to succeed in life! I know you are going to respond that you learned it the hard way by experience but think about it. I am guessing you have a career but how did you attain that career? Teachers taught you those things and then they tested you on it! Your bitterness towards teachers, for that matter everybody else, is uncalled for. My wife is a teacher and if you think anybody can do that job you better think again. Sure they get time off during the summer but they still have to attend seminars to further their education during the summer! The have to earn a set amount of hours in a certain time span to keep their teaching credentials. They work long after the kids go home. They bring their work home and do work at home during the evenings. They call parents and have conferences with parents. With today's kids, they put their life on the line everyday because they never know when some disturb child is going to pull a gun and cause carnage during school. This is heavy duty stuff to think about. Are they underpaid? Damn straight they are! They don't do it for the pay. They do it because they have the urge to make a difference! My wife teaches seventh grade and just this past May, she received a card in the mail from a student she taught who was graduating. The card was a thank you note thanking her for making a difference in her life! Not much more can be said about the satisfaction this has brought to her! By the way, that is not the only thank you note she has received from former students. Take time and reevaluate why you are so bitter in life. Not trying to flame you, that's not my style! Just trying to give you something else to think about.

 

[b fold the truth]

Both of my parents are teachers. My mom has taught K-1 for 31 years now and I know all the crap that she has to put up with. She teaches in a very poor community and I see how hard she works for those children everyday. She earns every penny.

I also see what she has to put up with too. I believe that they should have the right to paddle. I remember a kid that she was having problems with that was horrible yet the parent's wouldnt' let the child be spanked. They finally called the parents up there and told them that they could paddle their child, the teacher/principal could padd them, or the child could never come back. They signed the proper forms saying that the child could be paddled and that drastically changed the child's behavior.

B True

 

[Warik]

LoL.

Notice how school discipline started declining once paddling was outlawed.

No further comments, your honor.

-Warik

 

[Imnotdutch]

Aw hell why not just give the pupils a piece of paper with the lesson written on and then kick em out of the school.....why even bother with the teacher if all he/she has to do is test and read out of a book? With all due respect that was a very narrow minded statement which shows up a complete misunderstanding of a learning process.

Private school??? Not everybody can afford a private school......thats a sure fire way to make sure the poor stay uneducated and the rich educated. Do you consider this a good thing?

i dont think you really need teachers to do anything beyond explaining whats in the text. then test them on it to make sure they learn. then its up to the parents if they are satisfied with the grades. if people want to give their kids an edge then they can send them to a private school. i dont think tax dollars need to be wasted on higher paid teachers at this point.

 

[madbomber31]

i'd start with a fucking baseball bat upside salami's head...

 

[Y_lifter]

Salami has proven once again that his only talent is to stir up the shit and get this place stinking...

I don't take ANYTHING this Board Character says seriously any more..

 

[Warik]

Salami has proven once again that his only talent is to stir up the shit and get this place stinking...

I don't take ANYTHING this Board Character says seriously any more..

I do.

There's a little "TheSalami" in all of you - you're just afraid to let him out.

-Warik

 

[§äñît¥ Pôí§ðñ]

i havent read this entire thread, so forgive me if i say anything ignorant

but every school ive ever been to in texas has ALWAYS given corporal punishment!!!
the past few years, the student generally gets to choose between corp. punishment OR some other non-violent punishment such as several weeks to several months of AEP (alternative education placement) or being expelled , depending on what happened.
AEP makes most kids rejects after a period of time .

Most students at the beginning of the year are given a general statement that their parents can designate whether or not their child can be paddled or not. I always begged my parents to sign that, but they refused . their philosophy was if the option was still open for punishment than i would be less likely to do anything wrong.

WELL corporal punishment SUCKS but it still happens ALL THE TIME at least in Texas. I would throw a fucking FIT if anyone touched me. Even self defense in school is now considered worthy of punishment. WTF!!

 

[spkzx9r]

There have been some very excellent coments to this thread and I agree w/ all the positive. I for one believe that if paddling is something that the PARENT wants the school to do then that is that parents choice, personally my child is young for school rihgt now, BUT when and if the time comes I believe that my children will not have to be disciplined at school. They will know what I will do when they get home.

 

[Y_lifter]

Talk about painful mental stress...
Waiting for your Father to get home...damn

And Yes, there is a little of TheSalami in me and I AM afraid to let it see the light of day..

 

[plifter]

but every school ive ever been to in texas has ALWAYS given corporal punishment!!!

I think Texas has one of the worst murder rates in the country. Is it simply coincidence?

For those that think schools should paddle, try searching "spanking" on Yahoo and see how many pornographic sites come up. After seeing these sites do you really want some stranger spanking your pubescent child? I was serious when I said the principal that paddled me had to beat off afterward. This should be considered sexual assault.

 

[§äñît¥ Pôí§ðñ]

What makes you thiink he beat off after he paddled you?

 

[AGENT SHAGWELL]

Do they still play Handball in school? ....just curious....

 

[TheSalami]

Private school??? Not everybody can afford a private school......thats a sure fire way to make sure the poor stay uneducated and the rich educated. Do you consider this a good thing?

yes i do consider it a good thing. thats why parents work hard to make money to give their kids an advantage over people without money. its capitalism as i see it.

you people are making it as if im saying teachers arent important. they are very important. however they are also very easy to come by. anyone can take a few education courses in a low end college and become a teacher. that is why they dont deserve a high salary. also the risk of getting shot is so friggin small that those who are using that are really reaching for anything they can. sure a teacher explained to me how to do algebra and geometry, but any idiot could have. the teacher doesnt do much beyond that. some try to go the extra mile but its not necessary.

 

[plifter]

What makes you thiink he beat off after he paddled you?

I could see his erection popping through his pants.

 

[§äñît¥ Pôí§ðñ]

that is fucked up man
no wonder u have mental scars

 

[gymnpoppa]

I' Hear Ya

LoL.

Notice how school discipline started declining once paddling was outlawed.

No further comments, your honor.

-Warik

This case is dismissed on those grounds, your Honor.

 

[HumorMe]

Salami

I know we are getting off of the original subject. I see your point but stereotyping the importance of jobs is what you are doing. Every job is important regardless of where you stand on the ladder of success. Sure, some jobs don't sound as glamorous as others but nonetheless they are still important to today's society of functional ability. Whether or not you agree is up to you. If teaching jobs are a dime a dozen then why is there a shortage of them in America? They are underpaid and the hassle is just not worth it. My wife ask me if I wanted to switch careers and become a teacher awhile back. I told her if she didn't mind coming to visit me in jail. I would wind up there about the time some teenager smarted off to me or talked back. Discipline is missing from today's schools. It all starts at home though! You can't even look at a student crossways now without risking a lawsuit of some sort. A sue happy society! Get rich quick mentality! Again, not flaming just being a little more objective.

 

[MrOlympia2004]

Hell Yes It's called tough love It wouldnt even bee a topic if f parents would raise their kids instead of dicking around. If your not willing to spend the time to raise your kids, you better keep your pants on and your legs closed. or at least double up the rain coat

 

[TxCollegeguy]

I feel only if Parents give them permission...When I started school in LA they had to have permission and it was the same way when I started schools in TX


If a parent feels it's ok then they should, but if a parent feels their kid doesn't need that then that kid should not be punished that way. Personally if someone would have tried that with me at school I would have been throwing down in a heartbeat

 

[TheSalami]

if they want to paddle the students asses they should at least get a hot chick to do it!!!!