Should I take Weight Gain Shakes?

[grahf2]

First I am about to go shopping for supplements in a day or two,then I am going to start my dieting/training routine(which I am currently devoloping) I know I need a good multivitamin(I dont like taking each different one) and a good protein powder(prob.whey) and creatine for recovery so I dont slip out. I am 127lbs 5'11 16m. Bfat is near 8 percent.NO training history,but learning I am. Want to aim for 4000+ calories a day,and maybe 300gs of protein(wanna reap the goods)
Even if I did eat 6 good meals a day of chicken/eggs/bacon
its gonna be hard to get the bulking I want alone.SoI found a weight gainer shake that makes it guaranteed to reach my 4000+cal/protein intake.Tell me what you think.Its GNC brand




Nutritional content includes powder mix and 3 cups 2% reduced-fat milk.



Serving Size 493 grams
Servings Per Container 5

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Amount Per Serving % DV

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Calories 2200
Calories from Fat 150

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Total Fat 16.25g 25%
Saturated Fat 10g 50%
Cholesterol 126mg 42%
Total Carbohydrates 441g 147%
Dietary Fiber 5g 20%
Sugars 131g
Protein 74g 148%
Sodium 1032mg 43%
Potassium 2170mg 62%

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Vitamin A 9000 IU 180%
Vitamin C 96 mg 160%
Calcium 1600 mg 160%
Iron 27 mg 150%
Vitamin D 880 IU 220%
Vitamin E 45 IU 150%
Thiamin 2.55 mg 170%
Riboflavin 4.59 mg 270%
Niacin 30 mg 150%
Vitamin B-6 3.2 mg 160%
Folic Acid 640 mcg 160%
Vitamin B-12 13.2 mcg 220%
Biotin 450 mcg 150%
Pantothenic Acid 17 mg 170%
Phosphorus 1300 mg 130%
Iodine 225 mcg 150%
Magnesium 680 mg 170%
Zinc 24 mg 160%
Selenium 525 mcg 750%
Copper 3 mg 150%
Manganese 0.6 mg 30%
Chromium 96 mcg 80%
Molybdenum 97.5 mcg 130%



I am not taking this until I get some info on it.Too many carbs??
Also,is it better to eat eggs raw or cooked?(I know they taste better cooked) As a good portion of my protein will be from eggs.

 

[ohashi]

Don't buy that shit, and make your own weight gainer by blending milk, whey, oats, and natural peanut butter.

Eat your eggs cooked.

 

[JKurz1]

junk!!!!!!

 

[Babyfaced Assassin]

Yeah just blend

Milk
Natty PB
Whey Protein
and Ice Cream for a cheaper weight gainer

 

[grahf2]

Shake

I have the milk(I use 1 or 2 percent) and eggs and the whey.Do you mean like quaker oatmeal oats? And where can I get all natural pb.?I usually eat jiffy,but is that all natural?

Biggie here-how can I use the ingredients (dosage) to get around 2000 calories in one big shake,while making it drinkable?

 

[~SC~]

Eating 2000 calories at one time is about the dumbest thing one can do. Not calling "YOU" dumb, but come on now, 2000 kcals at one sitting in the form of a carb-laden shake will help you bulk, yes, with a spare tire and love handles the size of Ricky Lake's.

~SC~

 

[Slyder190]

bad idea

I use N large by ProLab for my post-workout shake. That's the only time I use a weight gainer. Try and stick to real food as much as possible, and don't go crazy with the carbs. A quality MRP like ProLab's Lean Mass Matrix can help you add some calories. Beyond PW use, I feel that all weight-gainers are garbage. Loaded with high-GI carbs. Not good.

 

[dr0832]

well what about ordering low gi carbs from supplementdirect and then having about 80-100gs of them mixed with 50-60g eggwhite/whey/cacinate protein blend, mixed w/ 16 ounces of skim milk and 1 tbsp of NPB or Olive oil. Would this be a good to take 1 or 2 of these a day to get extra calories. I am eating 6-7 times a day filling myself and I can't seem to get in more then arount 3200-3500 clean calories without feeling really bloated all day.

 

[ohashi]

Ordering low GI carbs? Have you ever heard of oatmeal, bro? Jeez.

 

[dr0832]

yeah but I eat 4-6 servings of oatmel as is right now of oatmeal plus I think oatmeal costs more then the low gi carbs. What are these low gi carbs they sell? Is it just ground oatmeal?

 

[ohashi]

What carbs are you talking about?

 

[junk]

The Weight gainer you specified is pure GARBAGE.

Either make your own Weight Gainer like others suggested (this is the best thing) or get MET-Rx weight gainer which is the best weight gainer you can buy (except making your own)

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Eating 2000 calories at one time is about the dumbest thing one can do. Not calling "YOU" dumb, but come on now, 2000 kcals at one sitting in the form of a carb-laden shake will help you bulk, yes, with a spare tire and love handles the size of Ricky Lake's.

~SC~

All the diet guru's are going to tell you the same thing. Weight gainer shakes, any brand, are a stupid idea. Eat quality food. Now, you said you eat jiff. That crap has an extremely high hydrogenated oil content. Junk food like that, will not contribute to gains in muscle mass. Alot guys on here who seem to have trouble gaining size, but eat alot all make the same mistake. They eat too much at once, and they eat crap. A 4000 calorie crap diet of 5 meals a day will yield LESS gains in muscle mass than a 3000 calorie diet consisting of only the highest quality calories spread out into 8-10 small meals.

My advice for quality calories:
Focus on complete protiens. If you are going to suppliment with amino acids, only use essential one's, since they are the most anabolic (actually eating non-essential amino's has no effect on protien synthesis) and your body cannot make them on its own. Meat is your friend, and should be your primary source of protien. Protein shakes should be used post workout only.

For carbs, you need to limit yourself to extremely low GI carbs. Be liberal with olive oil when making brown rice. Put natural peanut butter (you can get it at any grocery store I've been in in the peanut butter section) on your bread etc, to bring down the GI of these foods. Contrary to popular belief, the GI of post-workout carbs is not exceedingly signifigant to glycogen replenishment. You can eat a moderate GI carb (such as brown rice) post workout and get the same positive effects that one would get from dextrose (shutter... junk). Eat alot of raw green vegetables every day or it will hinder your gains. If you are not lactose intolerant, dairy products are encouraged. I would skip on the whole milk, and go with 2% or skim, but add flax seed oil or natural peanut butter to it liberally, to get the fat content up. Try to remember that your muscles will be built from protien and essential fats. Carbs are only a fuel source. Eating more of them than you burn will not build additional muscle, but may very well be converted into body fat. If you must take in more calories, eat more essential fats (first choice) or protien (eat an extra steak every day)

For your fats, you need to avoid anything that says "hyrogenated or partially hydrogenated" in the ingrediants. This also means avoid goods with margerine, shortening or regular peanut butter in them. For oils, avoid most cooking oils, due to their highly refined state, and lack of nutritional value. Use ONLY extra virgin olive oil for your cooking needs. Make cetain you get alot of essential fatty acids. High on your list of foods are flax seed oil, flax seeds and fish oil (salmon being the prefered source, in the form of meat or fish oil pills). After that would be nutts, with walnutts being a top choice. These foods are not optional if you want the fastest gains possible. Not only will they help you gain faster, but will keep you leaner.

These are just a few basic pointers for beginners.

 

[~SC~]

Excellent post BBF!!!!!!!!

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you as well.

~SC~

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Thanks SwoleCat and Merry Christmas to you as well!

 

[swb1126]

First of all, if you're only 127lbs., then you must not be eating a whole lot right now. With that being said, your body will not be able to process all of them calories. Start out with about 2600-3000 calories max. Believe me, if you eat 2600 calories from clean food, it will fill you up.

Next, your best protein sources are from eggs(cooked), beef, chicken, and certain protein shakes. Milk casein is the best because it stays in your system for about 3 hours, unlike whey which digests in about an hour.

Finally, a recent study showed that natural p-nut butter is not much different than say Jiff. You only lose about 5% of the nutrients and it's a little higher in sugar. Just use it in small quantities. And do not add ice cream to your protein shakes. If you want to add extra calories to your protein shake, add about 2oz. of heavy whipping cream(found by the milk in grocery store).

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Finally, a recent study showed that natural p-nut butter is not much different than say Jiff. You only lose about 5% of the nutrients and it's a little higher in sugar. Just use it in small quantities.

Wow. I think you missed the point on why we avoid regular peanut butter. So are you saying this lone study has disproven all the research concerning the negative effects of hydrogenated oils on insulin sensitivity, cholesterol, blocking the absorbsion of EFA's, gains in body fat, and reduced gains in muscle mass?

 

[swb1126]

Actually, if you want the truth, you really shouldn't be eating a whole lot of peanut butter in the first place. There are much better ways to get extra calories and protein. Flaxseed oil being one of those. Of all the mass gaining diets I've seen from fellow bodybuilders, I've never seen p-nut butter on there.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

swb, I'm a big fan of taking in large amounts of flax seed oil while bulking.

 

[coldblue1955]

i'll agree that it's all junk.

 

[JKurz1]

ANPB and flax are both SOLID products!