Should I run some Clen before or after a cycle?

[McFakerton]

I'd like to cut down from my current 11% bf to around 7% or so. I'm still losing weight on my current workout/diet but it's slowed down dramatically in the past while. I'd like to just finish it up so that I can bulk some more.

However, where I plan on doing my first cycle this summer, should I just do the cycle a little earlier and run the Clen afterwards?

Also, should I run LiquiClen or what? Recomendations?

 

[theprofessor]

I'd like to cut down from my current 11% bf to around 7% or so. I'm still losing weight on my current workout/diet but it's slowed down dramatically in the past while. I'd like to just finish it up so that I can bulk some more.

However, where I plan on doing my first cycle this summer, should I just do the cycle a little earlier and run the Clen afterwards?

Also, should I run LiquiClen or what? Recomendations?

at 11%... if you plan on doing a cycle soon, id do the clen afterwards. if you eat clean on cycle your bf will probably drop a bit ...use clen then to finish it off...
...or just use it before and after...
from what ive "heard" is liquiclen is a bit overdosed.. i guess that could be good and bad...
i use spiropent at .1mg 2wks on 2wks off ...

 

[McFakerton]

Hmm.. Perhaps I'll grab some LiquiClen and do a bit, and then if I decide to start my cycle sooner I'll finish it up after.

Recomended dosage? I'd prefer to start mild and work up cause I'm not overly chunky.

 

[theprofessor]

Hmm.. Perhaps I'll grab some LiquiClen and do a bit, and then if I decide to start my cycle sooner I'll finish it up after.

Recomended dosage? I'd prefer to start mild and work up cause I'm not overly chunky.

start out with .02mg, and increase by .02mg as needed... you will sweat at this ammount... other sides start around .08-.1mg
at .1mg the sides are tolerable for me.. cramps if i dont take precautions, but avoidable with high potassium and taurine supplementation.. also get a little jittery, but to me its nowhere near as jittery as 25mg of ephederine makes me. i would use a dosage for 2 days before increasing... i think the most anyone regularly uses is .12-.14mg ...but i wouldnt want or need to use that much, .1 works fine for me. you may be good at .8 ...just have to try it out and see...

 

[nydj66]

I like clen after a cycle (during PCT). If keeps my strength and energy up while my hormones are crashing.

 

[bca21]

imho i would pickup a bottle of liquiclen from ag guys. Its like 60$ and has 200mcg/ml and comes in a 30ml vial. Thats plenty to run just a tad before your cycle to help you nudge off that extra weight then youse the rest after you bulk.

 

[Ulter]

Run the clen and alternate it every 2 weeks with Thermorexin.
I suggest you look into SesaPure/Glucorell if you're truly cutting.

 

[AhMadKooL]

I would recommend running the Clen Post cycle. Read this:
http://www.steroid.com/Clenbuterol.php

It says:
"Based on its rate of elimination from the body, and how much is usually needed to be effective for athletes, my recommendations are the same for both men and women. You´ll need to take 20mcgs upon rising, and then repeat that same dose again later in the day, and then once again in that day (if you find you can tolerate the effects). So you´ll start with 20mcgs, and then repeat that dose 2 more times that same day if you can tolerate it (side effects will determine this hand shaking, sweating, etc& classic stimulant sides). Then you can start increasing the dose gradually. Personally, I wouldn´t work my way up to more than 200mcg/day. 60-120mcg/day is an average dose. And keep your Blood Pressure at (or under) 140/90, while on clen, just to be safe. If you go over that, lower the dose. You´ll also want to know your body temperature, upon rising, for the week before you start taking your clen, and then monitor it (again, as soon as you wake up) throughout your clen regimen. When it returns to the level it was at before you began taking the clen, you´ll need to start taking your Benadryl or Ketotifen, as the decrease in Body Temperature back to original levels indicates the thermogenic effect is beginning to decline."

It also says:
"Clenbuterol can also cause a downregulation in testicular androgen receptors and in pulmonary, cardiac and central nervous system beta-adrenergic receptors(6.) possibly making steroids less effective (if there is androgen receptor downregulation elsewhere as well, then it´s highly probable) while you are on clen; but definitely making clen less effective as time goes on and you keep taking it. To counteract this, you can take some ketotifen every 3rd or 4th week that you remain on clen. It´s a prescription anti-histimines, so it´ll make you drowsy (take before bedtime). Basically, the way this works is to reduce beta-2 receptor activity, and restore receptor function (15)."
So basically the summary is not to take more than 200mcg/day for a max of 4 weeks; and taking Benadryl every 3rd and 4th week would help increase the effectivness of the Clen

 

[Ulter]

There is on evidence of clen downregulating androgen receptors in men. The author is taking animal physiology and applying it to men.

 

[AhMadKooL]

There is on evidence of clen downregulating androgen receptors in men. The author is taking animal physiology and applying it to men.

I agree the author is taking an oldschool approach. I found this out from this link:
http://www.thinkmuscle.com/ARTICLES/haycock/androgen-receptors-01.htm

It says:
"The argument for AR down-regulation sounds pretty straightforward on the surface. After all, we know that receptor down-regulation happens with other messenger-mediated systems in the body such as adrenergic receptors. It has been shown that when taking a beta agonist such as Clenbuterol, the number of beta-receptors on target cells begins to decrease. (This is due to a decrease in the half-life of receptor proteins without a decrease in the rate that the cell is making new receptors.) This leads to a decrease in the potency of a given dose. Subsequently, with fewer receptors you get a smaller, or diminished, physiological response. This is a natural way for your body to maintain equilibrium in the face of an unusually high level of beta-agonism.

In reality this example using Clenbuterol is not an appropriate one. Androgen receptors and adrenergic receptors are quite different. Nevertheless, this is the argument for androgen receptor down-regulation and the reasoning behind it. The differences in the regulation of ARs and adrenergic receptors in part show the error in the view that AR down-regulate when you take steroids. Where adrenergic receptor half-life is decreased in most target cells with increased catecholamines, AR receptors half-live’s are actually increased in many tissues in the presence of androgens.1"


So from what I understand Clen causes the down regulation of Adrenergic Receptors but not Androgen Receptors.