short cycle

[dbell51]

i read that short cycles work and are a lot easier to mantian your muscle mass when your done....has any1 done this?...maybe like 4 weeks of prop and winny then doing a pct

 

[jitc476]

i read that short cycles work and are a lot easier to mantian your muscle mass when your done....has any1 done this?...maybe like 4 weeks of prop and winny then doing a pct

Sure..but your gains that you are "keeping" are significantly a lesser gain then a 10 week test-e cycle

 

[Mac173]

4wks is too short IMO for any ester.
Even short esters take close to 2wks to kick so you are only getting the benefits for 2wks.
As far as keeping gains, that will depend more on your diet and PCT rather than what you used and for how long.

 

[EtchedfromMarble]

Sure..but your gains that you are "keeping" are significantly a lesser gain then a 10 week test-e cycle

That's only if you compare it cycle for cycle. You can do more than one 2-4 week cycle in the time you can do one 10 week cycle and you need less time off after short cycles.

 

[EtchedfromMarble]

4wks is too short IMO for any ester.
Even short esters take close to 2wks to kick so you are only getting the benefits for 2wks.
As far as keeping gains, that will depend more on your diet and PCT rather than what you used and for how long.

Doesn't gear like tren ace and test prop kick in after a few days? So wouldn't a 4 week cycle be more like 3.5 weeks of benefit?

 

[Mac173]

Doesn't gear like tren ace and test prop kick in after a few days? So wouldn't a 4 week cycle be more like 3.5 weeks of benefit?

I've done ace and prop and it was closer to wk2, maybe a little less for the ace. That's when you start feeling it, you won't notice gains till after that.

 

[EtchedfromMarble]

Are you talking in terms of mass gains, strength gains or both?

 

[SpyWizard]

depends on how you measure success..

 

[Mac173]

Are you talking in terms of mass gains, strength gains or both?

Well strength gains come first and that's about 10-14 days and then the actually mass gains come later. I don't believe it when guys say that they start feeling it on day 2 or 3. Mentally maybe but there's no way that's it's build up enough in there system to be being effective in the gym.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Well, I'm biased about this topic since I believe I was the first to write about it (certainly not the first to do it) back in the Dan Duchaine days. It was the Steroids For Health 3 week cycle. (Later adopted as the 2 week cycle and the bridged cycle and the every other wek cycle and every other bull shite version).

Yes, it's easier to keep a 10 pound gain than a 20 pound gain. That's just basic biophysics.

As far as the "kicking in' period, I can't believe that myth still exists. Steroids put you in an anabolic state almost immediately. Of course, it takes time to grow muscle. But it's not like your body needs to wait a few weeks. Muscle growth actually comes in pretty quick spurts. You probably won't "see" results until a week or two but that doesn't mean the process hasn't begun.

Steroids actually becoem less effective after a couple of months. You'll continue to gain but the best and most solid growth period should be in the first month.

 

[motodawg]

Well said.....

Well, I'm biased about this topic since I believe I was the first to write about it (certainly not the first to do it) back in the Dan Duchaine days. It was the Steroids For Health 3 week cycle. (Later adopted as the 2 week cycle and the bridged cycle and the every other wek cycle and every other bull shite version).

Yes, it's easier to keep a 10 pound gain than a 20 pound gain. That's just basic biophysics.

As far as the "kicking in' period, I can't believe that myth still exists. Steroids put you in an anabolic state almost immediately. Of course, it takes time to grow muscle. But it's not like your body needs to wait a few weeks. Muscle growth actually comes in pretty quick spurts. You probably won't "see" results until a week or two but that doesn't mean the process hasn't begun.

Steroids actually becoem less effective after a couple of months. You'll continue to gain but the best and most solid growth period should be in the first month.

 

[chestmaster1]

why do short cycles when you can do long ones?

 

[Mac173]

Well, I'm biased about this topic since I believe I was the first to write about it (certainly not the first to do it) back in the Dan Duchaine days. It was the Steroids For Health 3 week cycle. (Later adopted as the 2 week cycle and the bridged cycle and the every other wek cycle and every other bull shite version).

Yes, it's easier to keep a 10 pound gain than a 20 pound gain. That's just basic biophysics.

As far as the "kicking in' period, I can't believe that myth still exists. Steroids put you in an anabolic state almost immediately. Of course, it takes time to grow muscle. But it's not like your body needs to wait a few weeks. Muscle growth actually comes in pretty quick spurts. You probably won't "see" results until a week or two but that doesn't mean the process hasn't begun.

Steroids actually becoem less effective after a couple of months. You'll continue to gain but the best and most solid growth period should be in the first month.

I see my best gains near the end. "Kicking in" is just a way to gauge when you will actually feel and see the effects.

 

[Nelson Montana]

why do short cycles when you can do long ones?

If you're doing cycles as an adjunct to training, short cycles are the way to go to prevent a host of problems. Some people mistakenly believe that ANY amount shuts you down. It doesn't. Any amount is suppressive but that doesn't mean "shut down." If you're going to do high dose, long cycles, you might as well never come off.

 

[EtchedfromMarble]

Even though its not the norm, many people get great results from 2 weeks cycles.

 

[ProtienFiend]

With long cycles(10-12weeks) your body has time to adapt to the new weight it has gained. This way, when you come off, if you keep training and eating the same way for a while, you should keep those gains. Or atleast that is what I believe.

Also, with short cycles, there are more rollercoasters of hormone levels (more stopping and starting).

Ive only done low dose (<500mg/wk) 10 week cycles so keep that in mind.

 

[jitc476]

Even though its not the norm, many people get great results from 2 weeks cycles.

and what compounds are you using that work great results in two weeks?
d-bol?
d-blade?

 

[EtchedfromMarble]

tren ace, test prop, anavar, halo

 

[Mac173]

Even though its not the norm, many people get great results from 2 weeks cycles.

Anything less than 8 is a complete waste IMO.

 

[StRoNg_WoN]

I've done both.. and I prefer 3 or 5 week cycles... the gains are less, but so are the sides. and when you do 3 sessions of 3 on, 4 off... it ads up to a nice gain...