Short but hard cycle?

[amaze]

Hi,

Ok firstly some facts about me. I am 22 and have been training for 5 years (though 1 year of that was off due a serious injury), I am 5,9", weigh 12.5 stone and have BF of 11%.

6 weeks ago a finished a Sust, Deca, Stranzol, Test cycle (my 2nd cycle) which had excellent benefits, I gained around 20lbs of lean muscle.

That cycle lasted 6 weeks but obviously the sust tapered and the effects where there for around 8 weeks.

I am looking for advice on a new cycle which lasts (the effects) for around 6 weeks, I want to be in detox in wk 6 or 7.

Is this possible? Or is this too short a time scale?

I want to add more bulk with this cycle and I would "prefer" if I stayed away from orals...

One other area of concern is a efficient and effective way to "come down" off the test, I used clomid at 100mg then 50mg and I felt it wasn't a instant enough effect...

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Oliver

 

[amaze]

bump!

 

[strengthmonster]

Try switching to a faster ester of test like propionate. It is in and out in 4 days.

 

[Scott Steinner]

I f you can, try to get arimedex!

 

[Weam]

I would recommend a cycle of fast acting Steroids

e.g Test Propionate/Tren/Winstrol, they works very well for short cycles due to their fast effects

anyway, it's very hard to go with a short cycles especially short bulking cycles without orals, because most of fast acting steroids are orals by the exception of the drugs I mention

regard Clomid, you shouldn't be using it while you're taking Testosterone or other Steroids, it will be useless, at least 2-3weeks after last shot of roids to notice it's real effects

Keep Well

 

[serge]

Weam, i disagree about the clomid during the cycle thing, i try to run it every time it seems to keep my sex drive much higher then it normally would be and i recover from gear much faster too

 

[Weam]

Weam, i disagree about the clomid during the cycle thing, i try to run it every time it seems to keep my sex drive much higher then it normally would be and i recover from gear much faster too

It just causes some placebo effects only!!!!!!!!

If you knew exactly how Clomid works then you'll know why it's impossible for Clomid to work during Steroids usage

 

[serge]

Weam, there is actually scientific evidence suggesting that it offeres those benefits; there are also scientific evidence proving your point as well, so when it comes right down to it who do you trust? me personally, if running clomid throughout the cycle will give me what i need to bang the shit out of my hottie be it plasebo effect or not, ill take it. (i'm organic chem major, i'm familliar with mechanisms that each drug ungergoes once it enters you system; if that says anything)

my example is: running tren at 150mg/eod no test, no derivetives of test, just tren, without clomids my sex drive goes to shit in about 4 weeks, with clomids its fine throughout a 6 week burst.

Not to insult you or anything, but your post comes across as "Weam know the truth, and its the only truth. Kinda like Mike's Heavy Duty training system is the only way to train and anyone training in any other fassion is wasting his time"

 

[serge]

And Weam, there will allways be someone who will disagree with you, it does not make you advise of any lesser value but eveyone got his/her own experiences.

 

[The Iron Game]

And Weam, there will allways be someone who will disagree with you, it does not make you advise of any lesser value but eveyone got his/her own experiences.

Sorry Serge, but it is impossible to get benefit from clomid (apart from a mild anti estrogen) during a cycle.

Do a search and read the logic

 

[Weam]

Serge I had never tried to act like a scientist or mr. brain or whatsoever, you started first by disagreeing what I was saying so I got the rights to defend myself


Search for previous posts and see how many posts here agrees with what I'm saying, clinically clomid shouldn't work, this isn't my opinion but that's known with everybody

 

[serge]

so what search? the board search? so your saying just because everyone on the board says it does not work it does not? How many people have done studies on the effects of clomid? I have a better idea, go on Mesomorphosis.com and do a search there, at least guyz there got credentials to back up their claims, go on anabolicextreme and do a search there, the guy who runs the site is entering nationals. I think ill stick with advise of people with creds who have been roiding and doing scientific studies probably much longer then you have been lifting.

 

[Weam]

Is that's a kind of flaming, I guess so!

anyway, I don't want to fulfill this board with such a crap, you have your opinion keep it for your self and so am I

Peace

 

[serge]

thats precisely my point, everyone has his opion base on experience (hopefully), and tell someone that he is wrong just starts useless arguments that no1 needs nor wants to see on here

 

[The Iron Game]

thats precisely my point, everyone has his opion base on experience (hopefully), and tell someone that he is wrong just starts useless arguments that no1 needs nor wants to see on here

Serge it is not an opinion, it is scientific explanation. If I explain to you why clomid would be a waste of time during cycle would you read it with an open mind and then make your own mind up?

Peace

 

[serge]

send the article, all im saying is when i run it i experience better sex drive, might be all mental but if it gets the job done then its good enouph for me

sure as hell beats bringing the chick hope and not being able to get it up

But please send the article

Looking forward to reading it

thanx

 

[Weam]

thats precisely my point, everyone has his opion base on experience (hopefully), and tell someone that he is wrong just starts useless arguments that no1 needs nor wants to see on here

I'm suprised with the way you're talking

Read again this post

I said at the beginning

regard Clomid, you shouldn't be using it while you're taking Testosterone or other Steroids, it will be useless, at least 2-3weeks after last shot of roids to notice it's real effects

then you replied

Weam, i disagree about the clomid during the cycle thing, i try to run it every time it seems to keep my sex drive much higher then it normally would be and i recover from gear much faster too

so, how come would you say (tell someone that he is wrong just starts useless arguments that no1 needs nor wants to see on here)
Are you suffering from mental disorders or something, you started first so why do you pretend that I'm the one who likes disagreeing with everyone!!!

 

[serge]

forget it, i give up

that was just my opinion based on experience

if you would like to see a study, go to mesomorphosis.com and do a search, testosterone.net also has one, but i dont know how realiable they are

and yes i was the first one to disagree, but i did not intend to start a worthless argument.

 

[Yellowbomber]

there will always be people on this board who think they are gurus and when they cycle they only get shity 7 pounds tell me why

 

[serge]

my point exactly

 

[micke]

you ask for hard short bulk cycle,anadrol+winny or suspention 100mg/day for six weeks,by the way i dont use clomid at all