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JKurz1

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I searched and have mixed results........I know IBF* does bcaas and virt....and I am having trouble getting a meal in 1-2 hours post training, so just curious if anyone takes in a shake or sips on one during their routine....results? Crash? What is your recipe?

Wouldn't drinking anything say virtago, whey and bcaas during blunt any fat burning efforts?
 
I did a Google for 'virtago'. The most pertinent entry seemed to be one related to dyslexia.

I recall when I was getting heavily loaded during a run of the Korte that I found benefit from sipping on my PWO shake as I was doing my deads. I suspect that the dextrose was the only relevant aspect to that, though.
 
I use a shake called perfect while I train It containd 70g carbs 50g protien and 1.5g helps stop the shakes when you over do it
 
my son is 3, we are potty training, i am teaching him to "shake it" before pulling up his pants, but not during training
 
JKurz1 said:
Is Your Prior Whey Only?
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i used to take 20gms whey with about 40 sugar, but now i just take the whey, and my pwo shake is 75 dextrose, 60whey, 10 creatine. (some slin here and there too)
 
You sip on the whey, or have it pre? Some even say grapefruit juice and whey or pineapple juice and whey.....but wouldnt this stop all fat burning properties?
 
jeff, fat burning doesn't stop in the gym, it should ideally go on long after. the reason for that is that the hormones which are responsible for this will be released slowly and ideally long after a workout too. don't obsess over this stuff. if you feel you need more carbs to get you through a workout, then have some.
 
Disagree......tis why we do cardi on an empty tank and wait to eat......it haults fat burning when calories are introduced...not that I need it, but it's a theory...
 
Take this for what its worth.
Last year my blood work showed my liver values were high. They tested me again a month later and they had doubled. Another month passed and they doubled again.
At that point the Dr was scared. He thought I had liver disease or a severe medical condition.
We ran every test under the sun. Everything came back negative.
He decided it must be something I was eating.
That is when it dawned on me. I had started Pure Vitargo two weeks before the first test.
I stopped taking it and we ran the test a month later. Everything was back to normal. At one point my liver values were over four times the highest acceptable value.
I will never touch the stuff again.
 
undoubtedly it burns cals while you're doing it but i'm saying you should aim to burn after workouts too - that's from the hormones released as a result of the workout. IMO, the bulk of fat is burnt outside of the gym after the workout and as a result of it (obviously). i've read a few articles that say the empty tank thing isn't all that important, it's the exercise itself.
 
I get great energy and prevent muscle breakdown using a little cocktail of 8 oz gatorade, some crushed ice, water, 2 scoops vanilla whey, some bcaa's, plus/minues creatine. Might want to give it a try, but dont go overboard on the simple carbs.

Also can add 5-10 g glutamine as well. Just make sure you have plenty of liquid in the shake. Last thing you want is to have to stop your workout for a bout of osmotic diarrhea
 
slat1 said:
Take this for what its worth.
Last year my blood work showed my liver values were high. They tested me again a month later and they had doubled. Another month passed and they doubled again.
At that point the Dr was scared. He thought I had liver disease or a severe medical condition.
We ran every test under the sun. Everything came back negative.
He decided it must be something I was eating.
That is when it dawned on me. I had started Pure Vitargo two weeks before the first test.
I stopped taking it and we ran the test a month later. Everything was back to normal. At one point my liver values were over four times the highest acceptable value.
I will never touch the stuff again.
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shit!!!
 
al420 said:
If I miss a meal then I drink a Whey/Dextrose shake during and just go eat afterwards.
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ditto.

I'd rather be "non-fat burning" as you say than be catabolic and burning up muscle.

Ideally, I try to have enough fueling/food in me before training later on in the day/night to get me through it... if not, I'll do the shake during... or sip on a double sized powerade if I'm going to pass out.
 
JKurz1 said:
Disagree......tis why we do cardi on an empty tank and wait to eat......it haults fat burning when calories are introduced...not that I need it, but it's a theory...
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Why are you still obsessing over fat burning when you are trying to gain weight. Fat gain is gonna be a matter of how much you are consuming over a total day and how much you expend. It is not based on 1 meal.

You do not have to have fat loss on an empty stomach, exercise helps to expend more energy and creates an energy deficit. Try doing a search under "cockdezl" under the women's board and diet board...if they are still there.

Insulin will blunt fat burning, but if calories are reduced, this becomes more moot.

Try having a low GI meal (easily digestible) an hour or two before your workout. Then have a small whey shake before going to the gym. While there, sip on a dextrose drink. Afterwards, have another protein drink with whey. An hour after that have a regular meal. OR, You can just save your dextrose drink until after your workout along with a whey drink.

This is what I do when trying to add size. I do not drink dextrose drinks when leaning up.

BMJ
 
slat1 said:
Take this for what its worth.
Last year my blood work showed my liver values were high. They tested me again a month later and they had doubled. Another month passed and they doubled again.
At that point the Dr was scared. He thought I had liver disease or a severe medical condition.
We ran every test under the sun. Everything came back negative.
He decided it must be something I was eating.
That is when it dawned on me. I had started Pure Vitargo two weeks before the first test.
I stopped taking it and we ran the test a month later. Everything was back to normal. At one point my liver values were over four times the highest acceptable value.
I will never touch the stuff again.
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bro, are you for real????? you think it was the Vitargo??? i just started lookin in the local supplement stores for this shit, but guess what, that search is over after reading this post. ill stick with my celltech for my pwo carbs and creatine
 
MR. BMJ said:
Why are you still obsessing over fat burning when you are trying to gain weight. Fat gain is gonna be a matter of how much you are consuming over a total day and how much you expend. It is not based on 1 meal.

You do not have to have fat loss on an empty stomach, exercise helps to expend more energy and creates an energy deficit. Try doing a search under "cockdezl" under the women's board and diet board...if they are still there.

Insulin will blunt fat burning, but if calories are reduced, this becomes more moot.

Try having a low GI meal (easily digestible) an hour or two before your workout. Then have a small whey shake before going to the gym. While there, sip on a dextrose drink. Afterwards, have another protein drink with whey. An hour after that have a regular meal. OR, You can just save your dextrose drink until after your workout along with a whey drink.

This is what I do when trying to add size. I do not drink dextrose drinks when leaning up.

BMJ
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thaat is what I am currently doing......no dext, was using Virtago but Slat has me worried.....this may be my last tub....won't stop it, just might not buy it again....too pricey for posing a risk.....plus it clumps.....we'll see...thanks for the advice...

BTW - I am not worried abnout fat burning.....but in the same respect, I want the calroies to be used for training, repiaring and growing, not for digestion....same principle....all good.
 
JKurz1 said:
thaat is what I am currently doing......no dext, was using Virtago but Slat has me worried.....this may be my last tub....won't stop it, just might not buy it again....too pricey for posing a risk.....plus it clumps.....we'll see...thanks for the advice...

BTW - I am not worried abnout fat burning.....but in the same respect, I want the calroies to be used for training, repiaring and growing, not for digestion....same principle....all good.
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I feel ya Jeff - you just want to make sure the best of it is being used the best your body can. I think at your BF Dextrose is still a good choice but i know you are a well read man so I will take your word for it.

I have read a few places that the Virtago is no good for you - I will look for a link but i think is was on bolex
 
I mix a very strong shake of 3 scoops of gatoraid powder, one scoop of whey, one scoop of gcovery and one teaspoon of puremcc. I also add in a powdered form of vitamin c. I sip it through out my workout and keep watering it down as the workout goes on (which is why I put such high amounts of each ingredient). By the time my workout is done, it pretty much taste like water.

But I also do very demanding workouts and currently trying to climb up to 280 or so and keep my waist in the 32-34 area at 6'4.

Btw, Jkurz, before you say that shake is a bad a recipe, or I don't know what I'm talking about or any of the other crap you've replied to me in the past, know I get my advice from the same gurus who advise all the top pro's. Just saying, because I expect from your previous replies to me to hear some shit like "that's insane" or "it will make you fat" or whatever other insulting shit you've posted back when I've only tried to help you.
 
C3bodybuilding said:
I mix a very strong shake of 3 scoops of gatoraid powder, one scoop of whey, one scoop of gcovery and one teaspoon of puremcc. I also add in a powdered form of vitamin c. I sip it through out my workout and keep watering it down as the workout goes on (which is why I put such high amounts of each ingredient). By the time my workout is done, it pretty much taste like water.

But I also do very demanding workouts and currently trying to climb up to 280 or so and keep my waist in the 32-34 area at 6'4.

Btw, Jkurz, before you say that shake is a bad a recipe, or I don't know what I'm talking about or any of the other crap you've replied to me in the past, know I get my advice from the same gurus who advise all the top pro's. Just saying, because I expect from your previous replies to me to hear some shit like "that's insane" or "it will make you fat" or whatever other insulting shit you've posted back when I've only tried to help you.
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If that's you in your avitar then you have nothing to explain and/or defend. I'm 5'10" and even when I compete at just under 220 I can only get my wasit down to 33 or 34, AND i've been told my top national level competitors I have "great" genetics. That's some sick genetics you have bro. Good luck in your quest.
 
52_21_30 said:
If that's you in your avitar then you have nothing to explain and/or defend. I'm 5'10" and even when I compete at just under 220 I can only get my wasit down to 33 or 34, AND i've been told my top national level competitors I have "great" genetics. That's some sick genetics you have bro. Good luck in your quest.
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Thank you for such an incredible compliment! You've made my day, lol. :)

5'10 and 220 in contest shape is incredible to say the least. I'll keep my eye out for you in the mags one day.
 
C3bodybuilding said:
Thank you for such an incredible compliment! You've made my day, lol. :)

5'10 and 220 in contest shape is incredible to say the least. I'll keep my eye out for you in the mags one day.
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LOL I hope so. Believe me, I'll link it up here if and when it happens...

But to be honest, I dont think I want my waist THAT much smaller. After all, if the judges wanted small waists and cartoon-like proportions, then Melvin Anthony and Lee Priest would have been placing 1 and 2 respectively at the O for years now. I think Jay has a great physique, but Ronnie has been looking pregnant for YEARS and still winning over and over. Anyway, I'm getting off topic here. Enough of my rant.
 
C3bodybuilding said:
I mix a very strong shake of 3 scoops of gatoraid powder, one scoop of whey, one scoop of gcovery and one teaspoon of puremcc. I also add in a powdered form of vitamin c. I sip it through out my workout and keep watering it down as the workout goes on (which is why I put such high amounts of each ingredient). By the time my workout is done, it pretty much taste like water.

But I also do very demanding workouts and currently trying to climb up to 280 or so and keep my waist in the 32-34 area at 6'4.

Btw, Jkurz, before you say that shake is a bad a recipe, or I don't know what I'm talking about or any of the other crap you've replied to me in the past, know I get my advice from the same gurus who advise all the top pro's. Just saying, because I expect from your previous replies to me to hear some shit like "that's insane" or "it will make you fat" or whatever other insulting shit you've posted back when I've only tried to help you.
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to each their own..so relax....95% said they dont, wouldnt, or just dont think it has it's place in training.....unless you are training for a marathon, so I'll go with the majority.....a few said they do it, some occassionaly, some religiously....maybe sometime I will try it....what's your bf level at? Do you still think you are burning fat training? Or that even your goal? Arent you on year round?
 
JKurz1 said:
to each their own..so relax....95% said they dont, wouldnt, or just dont think it has it's place in training.....unless you are training for a marathon, so I'll go with the majority.....a few said they do it, some occassionaly, some religiously....maybe sometime I will try it....what's your bf level at? Do you still think you are burning fat training? Or that even your goal? Arent you on year round?
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No, not on year round. And I never go over 750mg-1,000mg range of test and something like 500mg of deca or eq (depending on how I feel) per bulking cycle. I am building, but build while keeping fat down. I don't believe in 'bulking', I believe in building. I'll stick with someone like Milos Sarvec, Gavin Klein or Chad Nichols advice any day of the week, that's just me.

Do I believe I am still burning fat? Training and diet build muscle. Diet and cardio burn fat. But you can build and build clean, it just takes a lot of dedication to eat plenty of high quality meals. And I *never* let my waist get over the 34inch range while bulking, and I am 6'4. My bodyfat range right now? Don't know, but I am about 5lbs heavier than my avi and in the same shape there. For bulking months, that's good enough shape for me :)

I'm just saying bro, guys who obviously know a heck of a lot more than you, such as myself and AAP (who gave me that bulking shake recipe you said was complete crap a few months back and would make someone fat), and basically write these prick response back. Even with that Mike Mentzer thing a few months back. You don't ask for help and then spit in the persons face who trys to help you, especially when they obviously know more than you. You may not want to follow their advice, but there's no excuse for some of the responses you give to people who only try to help you. Like wtf was up in that Mentzer thread? You read a Mentzer book and like most who do think they had 'their eyes opened'. You told me I was talking out of my ass. Did you ever talk to Mike or any of the people who knew him? Go to RobbyRobinson.com and ask Robby if that's how Mike trained in the 70's. He would know, he was there.

My advice? Get the pill addiction and eating disorder under control. I don't mean that in a bad or mean way either. But to be honest, you shouldn't even be touching gear at this stage and you just finish a cycle, and then I see these vicodin posts every few weeks and then a post on using all these exotic compounds for a 'lean bulk'. I know you are trying hard, and I want you to succeed, I hope you know that. Ask anyone here, I am a very supportive, nice guy and have been for the 6 years or so I've been around. But I can see you are still very concerned over the bodyfat thing and those vic posts keep popping up every few weeks.

I had some of my own problems a couple years ago, we all do. But before touching gear, it's good to sort that stuff out. The vicodin post from last week and that 'lean mass stack' post has me still worried about you. It shows you still have a very bad obession with the whole bodyfat and body image thing. One pill a day bro? Come on thats bs. I don't care if it's 10mg vic, one pill would have stopped working weeks ago, let alone over a year. You make those posts on how to deal with the withdrawls, people respond to help you, then you let the thread die and then another one pops up a few weeks later.

Like I said, I've dealt with my own body image issues, I started at 144.5lbs at 6'4! I was a walking bone! I also had my own issue with a three week stint of perc that I had to deal with. I know where you are/been and have just tried to be a supportive Elite brother, which is why some of your responses in a few of my replies to you over the past few months have not only come off as shocking, but to be honest, rude.

I wish the best for you, and hope you can conquer your demons. I hold no hard feelings or bad will towards anyone. My door is always open to you and *anyone* here on Elite. As far as I am concerned you are all my brothers and sisters.
 
Guess what, I am off today but I train tomorow....I will try you receipe....prob not the exact one, but something like this: I am always open for debate and I wont bash it till I try it........

45 mins before - 40g maltodextrin, 30g whey, 5 g creatine
During - dextrose, matlto, whey, guarana extract (blend that I made up on myprotein.co.uk)
Post - 40g matlo, 50g whey
Then food
 
JKurz1 said:
Guess what, I am off today but I train tomorow....I will try you receipe....prob not the exact one, but something like this: I am always open for debate and I wont bash it till I try it........

45 mins before - 40g maltodextrin, 30g whey, 5 g creatine
During - dextrose, matlto, whey, guarana extract (blend that I made up on myprotein.co.uk)
Post - 40g matlo, 50g whey
Then food
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what the fuck?
what would you want any type of sugar before your workout? If you are having one during extend it to th eend of your workout. You don't need 2-3 fucking shakes. ALl you need is 1.
 
Jkurz Check your PM's bro. :)

And no, I didn't mean three shakes, lol. I meant one shake I sip *during* my workout, which I water down more and more as the workout goes on. This is only to be used when in bulking/building phases. It helps with energy and strength.

Trust me, it's one of the many little sneaky tricks the pros advisers have them do when they are in the offseason. Of course they are also taking gh/slin/igf1 after that workout as well, but you can just use some Rala from the afstore. It won't give the same effect as those powerful drugs mentioned above, of course, but it will help it work better. All the shit you see in their videos, magazines, etc is lies. I don't like to be a traitor to a lot of these guys, as I consider some of them friends, but I won't lie to the people I know here. Those bastards are sneaky and don't like to admit to anything that helps build them that mass.

Like for instance, did you know Dorian Yates didn't do any of that everything once a week, with one set bullshit he pushed in the mags and videos? In actuality, he trained very similiar to DC training. Chest/Back/Delts one workout, day off, Legs/Arms the next, day off, then repeat the first workout. Just off on like that nonstop. That's just one example of the lies fed to people in those mags.
 
C3bodybuilding said:
Jkurz Check your PM's bro. :)

And no, I didn't mean three shakes, lol. I meant one shake I sip *during* my workout, which I water down more and more as the workout goes on. This is only to be used when in bulking/building phases. It helps with energy and strength.

Trust me, it's one of the many little sneaky tricks the pros advisers have them do when they are in the offseason. Of course they are also taking gh/slin/igf1 after that workout as well, but you can just use some Rala from the afstore. It won't give the same effect as those powerful drugs mentioned above, of course, but it will help it work better. All the shit you see in their videos, magazines, etc is lies. I don't like to be a traitor to a lot of these guys, as I consider some of them friends, but I won't lie to the people I know here. Those bastards are sneaky and don't like to admit to anything that helps build them that mass.

Like for instance, did you know Dorian Yates didn't do any of that everything once a week, with one set bullshit he pushed in the mags and videos? In actuality, he trained very similiar to DC training. Chest/Back/Delts one workout, day off, Legs/Arms the next, day off, then repeat the first workout. Just off on like that nonstop. That's just one example of the lies fed to people in those mags.
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nice info C3BB.
 
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