Setting up new cycle

[dhudson8]

So I have pretty much decided on a cycle to use this time.

Week 1-4 Dbol 50mg ED
Week 1-10 Deca 400mg week (Mon & Fri)
Week 1-12 Equipose 600mg week (Tue/Thur/Sat)
Week 1-14 Sustanon 750-1000mg week ( EOD )
Week 1-14 Nolva 20mg ED

I was curious though. I know some of you had mentioned to me that I might be better off with something like test E or test cyp instead of the sust. Why exactly is this? Just because its a more specific dosage and amount of test instead of 4 diff amounts? Also if i were to switch the sust out for some other test E or cyp, what would i want to use as far as dosage? Now also about the Equipose I have heard many things on this board about EQ and it takes along time to notice gains and anything under 10 weeks would be a waste, is there anything else I should use in place of the EQ that could give me better results that would still work well here? Not to mention the EQ is expensive if i'm not going to get gains for awhile when using it. Should I use the nolva like described? I've read that you should take it in conjuction with test, so thats where im coiming from with that. What should i take as an anti estrogen upon completion of this cycle?

This cycle was recommended to me by someone on this board already, please feel free to offer me any advice or changes that could work well.

Last thing, Im' not real good with the terms, but what is PCT mean?

6'2"
240lbs
approx 19% BF

This will be my 4th cycle.

 

[Mac173]

If you don't know what PCT means then you shuldn't be cycling.
But as far as the cycle as long as you're doing the sust eod then you should be fine. I would take the eq out to wk14 w/ the sust. Eq does take a long time to kick in. Do some research about PCT before you start cycleing, it's just as important as the cycle itself.

 

[Powerbuilder333]

PCT = Post Cycle Therapy.
Why are you planning on shooting EQ and Deca on seperate days? If your going to do both, put them both in the same rig along with the test. If you've never run EQ before I wouldn't do it with this cycle. IMO as much as possible try to run new (to you) compounds by themselves so you can guage what effect they have on you. My experience says that Deca is way better for size and strength gains then EQ
Some believe that Test-E will offer more stable blood levels which is rumored to cause less side effects. IMO go with what the Test that can be obtained from your most reliable source, then select the cheapest option.

 

[bighippie11]

actually i'd stretch the eq to at least 14 wks. the sust is fine but you could have ways less pokes if you went with enth or cyp. pretty hardcore cycle though...i like it

 

[dhudson8]

PCT = Post Cycle Therapy.
Why are you planning on shooting EQ and Deca on seperate days? If your going to do both, put them both in the same rig along with the test. If you've never run EQ before I wouldn't do it with this cycle. IMO as much as possible try to run new (to you) compounds by themselves so you can guage what effect they have on you. My experience says that Deca is way better for size and strength gains then EQ
Some believe that Test-E will offer more stable blood levels which is rumored to cause less side effects. IMO go with what the Test that can be obtained from your most reliable source, then select the cheapest option.

I didnt know for sure if you could use diff gear in the same syringe. So you wouldnt run EQ on this cycle then? Wouls it be better to run test E instead of sust or would it only really save me some pokes. The pokes don't bother me.

I usually inject in the upper arm and glute, do any of you prefer any other areas that are equal in pain? lol

 

[dhudson8]

for my PCT should I consider using HCG with this cycle or will clomid, nolva work fine?

 

[Knight9]

i dont think you should be using at all til you do much much more research and learn a whole hell of a lot more.

 

[littleb]

To be honest I would run the sust at 500-750 mg a week and the dbol to kickstart 3-4 weeks tops run the sust 10-12 weeks............
Thats it perfect cycle if you mix in eq deca test dbol and have sides what caused it??? now if test dbol and sides drop dbol and its out of system fast still sides know what it is ......
keep it simple bro many advanced bros will tell you this and that and all these stacks to try---- stick with the basics till you know how you respond to each compound, , its your body bro, take care of it and be safe...


side note if its first cycle, i would keep sust to 500 mg a week max. dbol 20-30 mg a day 3to 4 weeks max..

 

[dhudson8]

thanks for that info.

I'm working on the extra research involved for the PCT.

Would this work well. opinions....

Week Nolvadex HCG Aromasin Vitamin E
1 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20mgs/day 1,000iu/day
2 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20mgs/day 1,000iu/day
3 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20mgs/day 1,000iu/day
4 20mgs/day 20mgs/day
5 20mgs/day
6 20mgs/day


we can't all be experts at the beginning. we have to learn somewhere. again, which would explain why I'm here, if I knew everything I wouldnt be asking your advice.

 

[dhudson8]

--bumo--

 

[needtogetaas]

is this your first cycle....if so just drop all of it and run the sust by its self or some test-e
at 500mg a week for 10 weeks...keep it simple your first time and work your way into it.
learn how to work with the sides from test how to train and eat and pct for just test alone then on your next cycle you will be more experienced and have one cycle under your belt.you will have more knowledge of your own body and how it reacts,more about how to use ai's that best soot you and more about pct that you are comfortable with and works for you.

as you are on this cycle you can continue to come here and learn more and more about other compounds,ai's,and pct products,and how to use them .you could go plat and search the forums for a lot of info and learn a lot.......

imo this would be the smart thing to do if you were new to aas.

 

[blut wump]

He says it's his fourth.

Don't run Nolva with Deca unless you have good reason to be confident that you're safe with it. What other ancillaries were you planning? Have you previously run anything close to 2g per week on a cycle?

 

[needtogetaas]

He says it's his fourth.

Don't run Nolva with Deca unless you have good reason to be confident that you're safe with it. What other ancillaries were you planning? Have you previously run anything close to 2g per week on a cycle?

a fuck I thought I was in a newb thread.now I have to cut and past that dame thing in another thread so it want go to wast.

 

[blut wump]

Can't allow good words to go to waste.

 

[dhudson8]

one of you mentioned to not run nolva with deca unless I knew it was safe? what exactly do you mean by being safe?

I have taken dbol, sust before together on cycle, i would like to step it up a notch this time. I would like to add deca at least with the other 2, this would only really be stacking the 3 compounds for a month and 2 for the rest of the cycle. Can any of you offer any suggestions as to what and or how you would use products during PCT? Thanks.

I've never really needed PCT on my other cycles, I have kept the gains and have gotten really no side effects from any cycles. The only side i did get from dbol was water gain, but that was expected. Other than that I have ran each cycle healthy and with good gains. I am new to the PCT, I am reading as much info as i can to learn more about it. I just would like to ask as many questions as possible about it and make sure I get on the right track.

I figure why not ask the people with the experience instead of trying to figure it out myself and fucking it up.

Thanks for all you help.

 

[solidspine]

dhudson8

4th cycle, correct


How old are you?

PCT equals Post Cycle Therapy, Therapy to bring your nuts back, so they can produce Testosterone and be normal size

It is a good cycle, like said above, Test is Test, Sust has 4 esters E & C each
have one longer esters



EQ and Deca, is redundant, but I would not recommend to anyone not to do it.

Nolvadex works fine, AIFM works fine,

If you get gyno on Deca, for some novadex will make this worst, not for me, but known to happen, and dostinex and letro both work for deca and tren

I used AIFM, with no problem, Nolvedex, Liquidex with no problem



Gear will give you strength and motivation, the important aspects of training are still up to you.

You could do the cycle as is and get huge, it depends upon your training, diet, rest, etc.


Good luck

 

[littleb]

one of you mentioned to not run nolva with deca unless I knew it was safe? what exactly do you mean by being safe?

I have taken dbol, sust before together on cycle, i would like to step it up a notch this time. I would like to add deca at least with the other 2, this would only really be stacking the 3 compounds for a month and 2 for the rest of the cycle. Can any of you offer any suggestions as to what and or how you would use products during PCT? Thanks.

I've never really needed PCT on my other cycles, I have kept the gains and have gotten really no side effects from any cycles. The only side i did get from dbol was water gain, but that was expected. Other than that I have ran each cycle healthy and with good gains. I am new to the PCT, I am reading as much info as i can to learn more about it. I just would like to ask as many questions as possible about it and make sure I get on the right track.

I figure why not ask the people with the experience instead of trying to figure it out myself and fucking it up.

Thanks for all you help.

Ok you want to step it up a notch, I understand that, but what was last cycle dose wise? you could bump up the test from last cycle, or dbol, but i would not start adding in more compounds until you are 100% sure of what you are doing.. this is not a flame bro, so dont take it like that, but doing 3 other cycles with no pct is not wise.... and adding in say deca brings on a whole new world of possible sides.. So b4 you start you need the knowledge to combat any sides that may arise..
That said I would really study the different pct's bros use and keep it on the simple side sust 500-750 mg a week kickstart with dbol if you want, and plan out a nice pct I would use nolva, clomid and hcg with that cycle..
Pm me if you need help bro, I am by no means as advanced as some of the bros here, but if i can help i will..... try to work out a good pct, and keep cycle simple but effective...

 

[dhudson8]

one side that would be devistating would be gyno, how do you tell if you are starting to develop this side effect?

 

[dhudson8]

I guess the better question would be how do you determine between gyno and chest fat? I was reading about gyno and there is a product called Gynexin , it sounds like it mainly just reduces chest fat, which from what I understand is what alot of people mistake gyno for. I can't search alot of things on this work computer so I'm not able to view all web pages, fortunately I am able to view this forum as its one of the only forum type pages I can view, but I am curious of how or if you can realy even tell the difference between chest fat and actual gyno.

Thanks

 

[dhudson8]

Ok you want to step it up a notch, I understand that, but what was last cycle dose wise? you could bump up the test from last cycle, or dbol, but i would not start adding in more compounds until you are 100% sure of what you are doing.. this is not a flame bro, so dont take it like that, but doing 3 other cycles with no pct is not wise.... and adding in say deca brings on a whole new world of possible sides.. So b4 you start you need the knowledge to combat any sides that may arise..
That said I would really study the different pct's bros use and keep it on the simple side sust 500-750 mg a week kickstart with dbol if you want, and plan out a nice pct I would use nolva, clomid and hcg with that cycle..
Pm me if you need help bro, I am by no means as advanced as some of the bros here, but if i can help i will..... try to work out a good pct, and keep cycle simple but effective...

my last cycle of sust consisted of 1ml EOD for about 8 weeks. 30-40mg ED dbol. How much could you really step that up without adding much else and still being in a safe range of test?

 

[Powerbuilder333]

my last cycle of sust consisted of 1ml EOD for about 8 weeks. 30-40mg ED dbol. How much could you really step that up without adding much else and still being in a safe range of test?

Just a simple plan:
Sust 250x3 EW 10 weeks
Deca 250x3 EW 8 weeks
Dbol 40mg ED 8 weeks.
Put your Sust and Deca in the same rig for your 3 weekly injections. Use glutes, quads, and delts for injection sites.
Make sure you aspirate the syringe (draw back on the plunger after the poke to see if blood enters the syringe) if no blood, then slowly push the plunger in.
You can substitute Test-E for the Sust. You can substitute EQ for the Deca.
Good Luck.

 

[dhudson8]

Just a simple plan:
Sust 250x3 EW 10 weeks
Deca 250x3 EW 8 weeks
Dbol 40mg ED 8 weeks.
Put your Sust and Deca in the same rig for your 3 weekly injections. Use glutes, quads, and delts for injection sites.
Make sure you aspirate the syringe (draw back on the plunger after the poke to see if blood enters the syringe) if no blood, then slowly push the plunger in.
You can substitute Test-E for the Sust. You can substitute EQ for the Deca.
Good Luck.

I plan on using the sust and dbol, i know they work for me. I would use also deca or EQ, which would be a better choice vs the sides the bring on. One of the other posts suggested that gyno could be more likely with deca if this is true then would i want to go with eq instead?

if I run sust with EQ though, then I would run the EQ for longer than the deca though.

also injecting in my delts seems like that would be extremely painful, plus my delts aren't all the huge like yours might be lol eventually they will though and then i might try it there.

 

[Powerbuilder333]

Then I'd go with the EQ, but most prefere a longer cycle with EQ. Less sides, but less results. I think I'd run the EQ the same length of time as the Sust. I don't think you should run Dbol for 10 weeks though, really 6 to 8 weeks is the limit for Dbol.
You might try:
Sust 250 x 3 EW 12 weeks
EQ 250 x 3 EW 12 weeks
Dbol 40mg ED 6 weeks
Winny (oral) 50mg 6 weeks
If you want to stretch this cylce out to 16 weeks, just add 2 weeks to the orals, and 4 weeks to the injectables.
Have some AI's (Aromatse Inhibitors - like Nolva or Adex) on hand - just in case.
I prefer to use my quads for shots. 2 days ago I put 5 1/2 cc in my left quad with only the slightest of charlie horse pain

 

[dhudson8]

Then I'd go with the EQ, but most prefere a longer cycle with EQ. Less sides, but less results. I think I'd run the EQ the same length of time as the Sust. I don't think you should run Dbol for 10 weeks though, really 6 to 8 weeks is the limit for Dbol.
You might try:
Sust 250 x 3 EW 12 weeks
EQ 250 x 3 EW 12 weeks
Dbol 40mg ED 6 weeks
Winny (oral) 50mg 6 weeks
If you want to stretch this cylce out to 16 weeks, just add 2 weeks to the orals, and 4 weeks to the injectables.
Have some AI's (Aromatse Inhibitors - like Nolva or Adex) on hand - just in case.
I prefer to use my quads for shots. 2 days ago I put 5 1/2 cc in my left quad with only the slightest of charlie horse pain

what if i run

sust EOD 12 weeks
Dbol 50mg ED 4 weeks
Parabolan for 12 weeks
winny week 8-12

would this work. I have no idea about the parabolan, anyone with any experience with this? will it work well. I read that its a good stack with sust.

 

[Powerbuilder333]

what if i run

sust EOD 12 weeks
Dbol 50mg ED 4 weeks
Parabolan for 12 weeks
winny week 8-12

would this work. I have no idea about the parabolan, anyone with any experience with this? will it work well. I read that its a good stack with sust.

True Parabolon doesn't exist anymore. There are many Tren based products that work similarly, including a knock off called Parabolan.
You don't want to use that formula for 12 weeks the first time you use Tren.
You might try a Tri-Tren formula for 8 weeks starting at a dose of 150mg EW.
Any combination of juice is going to produce results. You just have to figure out the risk/reward ratio of your intended cycle, and then go from there.

 

[dhudson8]

True Parabolon doesn't exist anymore. There are many Tren based products that work similarly, including a knock off called Parabolan.
You don't want to use that formula for 12 weeks the first time you use Tren.
You might try a Tri-Tren formula for 8 weeks starting at a dose of 150mg EW.
Any combination of juice is going to produce results. You just have to figure out the risk/reward ratio of your intended cycle, and then go from there.

with a cycle with tri ten, sust, dbol kicker, and winny finish. what kind of risks would i be facing? Ive read all the "possible" sides with these, but what have any of you actually experienced?