Secrets Of The Pros?

[gimp]

Guys I know that are big enough to "possibly" compete at a pro level one day, use everything and anything in the highest amount they can afford...that's what their cycles look like. I've seen some do a gram of test PER DAY...with 3 or 4 other drugs just thrown in there with no fixed cycle.

 

[HULKSTER]

Yeah, I myself am curious as to find out what the maximum amount of Dbol per day Arnold ever did on a cycle. A previous poster on this thread said 100mg ed, Jesus Christ no wonder why he had open heart surgery and is so fucking thin. His heart literally broke down on his ass from DECADES of that hard-core shit. Damn, I wonder how much Clomid/Nolvadex you would have to take after coming off a cycle with a 100mg of Dbol ed? Also, notice how Arnold doesn't ever have seemed to have a problem with losing hair, let alone thinning hair? What do you bros think he used to protect his hair from massive amounts of Dbol?

 

[Peyomp]

Yeah, I myself am curious as to find out what the maximum amount of Dbol per day Arnold ever did on a cycle. A previous poster on this thread said 100mg ed, Jesus Christ no wonder why he had open heart surgery and is so fucking thin. His heart literally broke down on his ass from DECADES of that hard-core shit. Damn, I wonder how much Clomid/Nolvadex you would have to take after coming off a cycle with a 100mg of Dbol ed? Also, notice how Arnold doesn't ever have seemed to have a problem with losing hair, let alone thinning hair? What do you bros think he used to protect his hair from massive amounts of Dbol?

I thought it was settled that Arnold had a defective heart valve, as did his mother, and that is why he required surgery...

 

[Riker29]

I think there is a lot of misconception about this.

Yes, to some extent, the pros are pro because maybe they do more gear, fine.

But some type of "secret" formula - please. I don’t think that’s an issue.

There are several main points which people need to consider ....

Genetics - The guys you see that are pros are, in many cases, genetic anomalies that are far beyond the norm.

Training - The sad fact is that the way most pros train, and they was they SAY they train (in the mags) are different things. Or, at least, if they do train with the frequency that they say, this is NOT something that most people can do.

The routines which Arnold says he did (trained 2x a day ... please ...) are NOT going to work for almost any people out there. If and only if, you are a genetic freak, and take a ton of gear, could your body begin to stand such a strain.

Most guys try these routines, and even the usual 3-4 day a week balls out training (which will overtrain almost anybody) and en dup holding back their gains.

Gear - Sure they do more. However there was a big jump like the past 2 decades that can be attributed to the use of Insulin. That is probably the key to the 30-40 jump that the tops pros had in size a few years back.



What is so laughable, sad, and a shame, is when guys try to be :like the pros". Yes having them as a goal or inspiration is fine. But its just wrong and sad and stupid when guys focus so much on "what did Arnold take". As if, if they only KNEW this magic they could take THAT EXACT REGIMEN, and be Arnold.

Wake up people, it does not work that way. Sure, knowing what he took would be interesting, but if you think that just running that regimen will make you "become" what he was, or have a body like his, you are wrong.

Look at it this way. Many guys have woken up to the fact that the supplement companies are NOT looking out for the interests of most consumers (amateur and recreational BBers). So we have learned that "taking the supplements the pros take" (yeah ... right ...) will not make you look like them.

Many guys then think "aw, the secret - STEROIDS! oooo......." and they think "that must be THE answer". So they ask "what did Arnold take?"

Its sad, really, You seem them all the time. They have like 13 posts and they post a thread "Hey, what did Arnold take, I just watched Pumping Iron for the first time ..."


Lets face facts and reality guys. If you spend like several months on this board, and READ (and hey newbies, here is a thought, writing posts does not make you learn READING DOES) then you will know more than just about any pro knew prior to 1990. Period. End of story. They have no “secrets” which you do not have access to. right here.

Frankly, IMHO, I think the 2 biggest problems that people have are they train wrong (either not hard enough or, in almost ALL cases, they over-train) and food (they eat the wrong stuff and not enough protein).

That and impatience.

Guys, I dont mean this as a put-down to anyone, and especually anyone in particular. I think to be honest, we have ALL fallen victim to this type of thinking early on in our interest in this sport. I say, lets be honest and open, and get as many people focussed upon the right thing as we can.

 

[Citruscide]

They should just go with a straight IV, I cant imagine how many times they've stuck themselves in a 1 year time period.

I can't imagine doing 4g a week. My friends in Chicago who compete do 2g a week... and laugh at me when I do under 1g... then I "show them" and do 10g.... yeah... that's what I do...

C-ditty

 

[c3bodybuilding]

Mike I don't understand the "no wonder he is so thin..." and "no wonder he had to have heart surgery" comments. Arnold is 55 years old, and was not able to train for some time after his heart surgery. For a guy his age, he still has a GREAT build. The pecs are still there and so are those biceps. Fact of the matter is, the man has proven all there is to prove 10x over. He owes nothing to you, me or joe schmoe down the street. He doesn't have to be in Olympia shape anymore.

As for the heart surgery, it was a genetic problem. Others in his family had the same. He elected to have the surgery done while he was in his 40's to make a better recovery. It was NOT a life or death thing. He could have waited until he was older, but wanted to take care of it now.

Now as for the 'secret' cycle, none of us will ever know for sure. But if you want to know Arnold's best secret at attaining the things he has in life, then you are looking in the wrong direction. It was his iron will, unheard of dedication, and a do whatever it takes attitude that got him all he has in life. He was willing to do anything to get what he wanted, he just didn't sit around and bitch or moan if things didn't go his way. He went out there and MADE them go his way. That type of dedication won't come to you in a vial or pill, and it certainly won't come to you if you train 2x a day.

What cycle did Arnold take? Who knows, who cares. Probably a lot less than some newbies on boards just like this. I think we can all agree, whatever Arnold did do, it worked for him. For looking back at him then, you can't help but be in awe....

 

[HULKSTER]

Bro, I think that all those DECADES of juicing his ass off contributed to his heart condition. I think it would be BS for anyone to say that juice had no impact on his heart. And of most importance, if Arnold knew that his own mother, and other relatives, had this genetic heart defect, why would he even THINK of using juice in the first place? If you have a great genetic chance of having heart problems, and you use juice for decades like Arnold did, you must have a death wish.

 

[DepressiveJuice]

I think there is a lot of misconception about this.

Yes, to some extent, the pros are pro because maybe they do more gear, fine.

But some type of "secret" formula - please. I don’t think that’s an issue.

hmm. there was an article in MD a few months ago about this "secret forumal". supposely, some pros take their gear to a chemist who mixes this cocktail of different compounds in a 100mL jug and they just stuck themselves with that. i dont believe it of course- just stating what they said. why the hell do i buy these damn mags? i wont be seeing my girl for another two months...i should save my money and buy me a vibrating pocket pussy

 

[c3bodybuilding]

Mike it's good to see that you know more than doctors.

His mother found out she had it later in life, Arnold was already juicing for some time. It's not like he knew these before hand. It was a defective valve. Go look it up.

 

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