second cycle

[javid_shanghai]

Hey all! Im 30, height 178cm, weight 81kg, 12% BF. 3 years of training. First cycle was tbol only 40mg ED for 8 weeks. Gained 3kg of lean muscles and still keep them. Also at the same time Ive lost some BF.
I cant decide what to take for 2nd cycle, goal is lean mass
deca (200mg) + winny (20-30mg, tablets and injects) for 6-8 weeks
EQ (600-400mg) + oxandrolone (50mg) or winny (20-30mg) for 8 weeks

or maybe any other combos? any suggestions, comments?

 

[MattJS]

Strange choices, what about a straight test dbol cycle?

weeks 1-10 test e 250 mg split into 2 shots per week
week 1-4 30mg dbol per day
week 1-12 12.5mg aromasin EOD
weeks 5-10 HCG 500iu 2x p/w
week 12-16 25mg clomid ED
week 12-16 post cycle/unleashed
weeks 12-16 DAA

 

[Mekat]

thats what i was gonna say, u can switch the dbol with tbol too if u want some leaner gains

 

[javid_shanghai]

thanks mate, but Im trying to avoid test as long as I can get more benefits from anabolics only. Im gonna add test after few cycles.

 

[javid_shanghai]

thats what i was gonna say, u can switch the dbol with tbol too if u want some leaner gains

Dbol retain some water, I dont wanna use tbol in row, my 1st cycle was tbol. Maybe my 3rd cycle will be with tbol again

 

[MattJS]

Why are you worried about test?

 

[oxymoron]

Its not critical but generally u'll want a test base in every cycle. I think ur a little confused on avoiding a tolerance or immunity to test. U start with T and build off of it.


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[javid_shanghai]

Im not worried about the test, I didnt even say I wont use test at all. I just would like to use 'milder' roids first. Also bcuz of androgenics sides.

 

[dylangemelli]

dbol is a horrible option for lean gains... that makes no sense at all... there's nothing lean about it... you should definitely run test with whatever you decide... however, if your just wanting to run orals then go with either anavar and proviron or winstrol... if you add test prop to either one of those, you will see the results you are after...

 

[javid_shanghai]

I have never mentioned about to use dbol for lean gains. Nondralone decaonate and bolderon were my choise with oxandrolone or winstrol for second cycle. I was thinking to add test for my 4th bulk winter cycle next year.
How about deca+winstrol or primobolan+winstrol? Okay, with test added cycle, how simple beginner's 2nd cycle will look like? test prop + winny for cutting or lean mass? or any other option? Test E + boldenon for massing? or with oxandrolone/stanozol?

 

[dylangemelli]

I have never mentioned about to use dbol for lean gains. Nondralone decaonate and bolderon were my choise with oxandrolone or winstrol for second cycle. I was thinking to add test for my 4th bulk winter cycle next year.
How about deca+winstrol or primobolan+winstrol? Okay, with test added cycle, how simple beginner's 2nd cycle will look like? test prop + winny for cutting or lean mass? or any other option? Test E + boldenon for massing? or with oxandrolone/stanozol?

I never said nor quoted you saying anything about dbol... it was the opinions you were getting from others...

deca is also a horrible idea for lean gains... primo and winstrol would be great in terms of lean gains but not so much in terms of your hair... that's about as bad as you can get on your hair...

1-8 test prop 100 mg eod
1-8 winstrol 50 mg day
1-8 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-8 n2guard
5-8 hcg 500 ius day

pct 9-12

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Unleashed/post cycle combo
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daa powerchews or powder

optional
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[javid_shanghai]

Is it cutting stack? or for lean mass? If use for 6 weeks, maybe no need for HCG? 50mg of winny ED? Injects? what If use tabs 20-30mg ED?

 

[callmejay]

You can get away with 350mg of test per week and stack winny, var, or tbol in there for some very solid gains. The lower dose of test will keep the sides to a minimum.

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[javid_shanghai]

I will start with 300mg of test prop and 150mg of winny (inj) a week for 6 weeks, then PCT for 4 weeks, 4 weeks of rest and next cycle for 6 weeks with other test or orals..

 

[dylangemelli]

I will start with 300mg of test prop and 150mg of winny (inj) a week for 6 weeks, then PCT for 4 weeks, 4 weeks of rest and next cycle for 6 weeks with other test or orals..

if you run a 6 week cycle and then factor in pct then you need 10 weeks off, not 4 weeks... you won't even be close to recovered in 4 weeks... even if you cruise, you would still need 6 weeks off... your going to end up hurting yourself...

 

[JayDiesel]

prop and Winny is an awesome combo

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[javid_shanghai]

if you run a 6 week cycle and then factor in pct then you need 10 weeks off, not 4 weeks... you won't even be close to recovered in 4 weeks... even if you cruise, you would still need 6 weeks off... your going to end up hurting yourself...

I see. What about after my first cycle? is 6 weeks enough for rest from tbol only 8 week cycle? Is rest time between cycles depence on the AAS and doses? What will happen If I rest shorter than I should ?

 

[dylangemelli]

I see. What about after my first cycle? is 6 weeks enough for rest from tbol only 8 week cycle? Is rest time between cycles depence on the AAS and doses? What will happen If I rest shorter than I should ?

bro, it doesnt matter what you run... time on (that includes pct = time off)... what will happen? are you serious bro? you will fuck yourself up, thats what will happen... your not allowing your body to recover... your going to hurt yourself to the point where it won't be fixable if you keep doing that shit...

 

[javid_shanghai]

bro, it doesnt matter what you run... time on (that includes pct = time off)... what will happen? are you serious bro? you will fuck yourself up, thats what will happen... your not allowing your body to recover... your going to hurt yourself to the point where it won't be fixable if you keep doing that shit...

Ok. thanks for the replies

 

[lilblitz]

Those sound like compounds for someone with hairloss in mind, if that is the case take test with fina which is still fairly safe for people prone or stick to anavar and tbol anything else is an odd cycle, if you have very fragile hair I have heard winny effects some people negatively in that way